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carlyluvsunited
30-04-2008, 07:22 AM
I read this today. Very interesting too. It tells us how many
Eastern European migrants are here and how many have returned home
already !

Have a look.

I am from Eastern Europe ... so I would like to hear from people on here how they
feel about us all coming here. Be honest too please ... I don't have intentions to
hold anyone's opinion against them. It stays inside this thread as far as I am
concerned. I am interested to find the views and opinions of people here
compared to people who confront me about this in my City where I live now.
It wont be classed as racism either, lol....well as long as you keep it sensible.

Do you work wth any of these people. Do you know any of them ? Are you good
friends with any ? Have you had a bad excperience with them ? Have any
committed crime you know of ... this kind of thing ...

If you have time that is ;)

Thankyou ... x

Poland was one of eight countries to join the EU in 2004

About one million migrants from Eastern Europe have arrived in the UK since 2004
but half of them have already returned home, research suggests.

The Institute for Public Policy Research examined the impact on the UK after the
EU expanded in 2004 and 2007.

It suggested that the arrival of migrant workers from 10 countries would also
slow, with more returning as conditions in their countries improved.

The migrants had also spread to all parts of the UK to find work, it said.

The research looked at migrants who came from eight countries that joined the
European Union in May 2004 - Poland, the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary,
Latvia, Lithuania, Slovakia and Slovenia.

Four in ten of the returned Polish migrants we surveyed think that better
employment prospects in Poland would encourage Poles living in the UK to return
to Poland for good

IPPR report


Poland entices its workers home

It also included migrants from Romania and Bulgaria, which joined in 2007.

The research by IPPR, a Labour-leaning British think tank, estimated that about
one million migrant workers had come to the UK from 2004 accession countries,
but that around half of this group had already left the UK.

The IPPR also predicted that fewer migrants from the new EU states would come
to the UK and many already in the UK would return to their home countries in the
coming months and years.

It based this forecast on the development of the EU countries, with improving
economic conditions making it less likely that would-be migrants will leave.

"Four in 10 of the returned Polish migrants we surveyed think that better
employment prospects in Poland will encourage Poles living in the UK to return to
Poland for good," the IPPR said.

According to the research released to the BBC, there were 665,000 nationals from
all 10 countries living in the UK in the last quarter of 2007.

Government underestimated

This was an increase of 548,000 since the first quarter of 2004, just prior to the
first eight countries joining the EU.

The government had underestimated the number of migrants post-expansion,
saying that between 5,000 and 13,000 would arrive after 2004.

In fact, by 2006, Home Office minister Tony McNulty admitted that the government
was "in the dark" over arrivals - 293,000 immigrants had applied for work permits
in the first 18 months.

As EU countries change their restrictions on the new members, workers will be
more likely to migrate there rather than to the UK, the IPPR suggested.

There will also be a smaller pool of possible migrants because of declining birth
rates in the mid-1980s.

And the pound's devaluation in relation to the Polish currency will narrow the gap

between potential earning in Britain and Poland.

The IPPR said the pound has already fallen by around a quarter relative to the
Polish zloty since early 2004.

The research also suggested that the geographical spread of EU migrants in the
UK was wider than previous waves of immigration.

It said that even areas that have not traditionally attracted migrants, such as
Scotland and south-west England, had attracted a "significant proportion" of
migrants.

This showed that migrants were willing to move to where work was available.

The number of migrants from the new EU countries arriving in the UK had also
started to slow substantially, with 17% fewer worker registrations in the second
half of 2007 than during the same period of 2006, the IPPR said.

"We estimate that some 30,000 fewer migrants arrived in the second half of 2007
as did in the second half of 2006."

Airport links

The IPPR looked at the Labour Force Survey, national insurance number
applications, and the Workers Registration Scheme - applicants are required to
register on the scheme as soon as they start working in the UK.

It also studied the International Passenger Survey and questioned Poles who
had returned to Poland after working in the UK.

Air travel between Britain and Poland had also changed since accession.

In December 2003 about 40,000 passengers flew between three British airports
and Warsaw and Krakow in Poland, but four years later it was possible to fly
from 18 British airports to 10 Polish cities.

Passenger numbers between these destinations in December 2007 were almost
385,000.

The IPPR, established in 1988, says it aims to promote social justice, democratic
participation and sustainability in government policy through its research and
analysis.

Dynamite
30-04-2008, 10:14 AM
Hi carly, my views on this is simple what has it done for the uk, is it a good thing or a bad thing

I see it like this from my point of view, It's a good thing and that skilled immigrants actually "create more employment."

I welcome any immigrant to my home country so long as they are law abiding citizens, believe & respect british values & come to seek work & all for a better life

Red Devil
30-04-2008, 02:05 PM
erm, ....................... right.

I have absolutely nothing against any entitled person coming into my country to enjoy a full working participating relationship with us here in the UK. But, however, I do have plenty to say about the economic refugee who is coming here "for the better life" and fully intends to work hard at claiming benefits and sponging off our stupid system.

Only this week I have seen a BBC programme about russian vistors hiding in homes set up by other illegal russian visitors who have all long had extinct visas. Police were raiding homes and deporting illegals, good, thats what we want to see. But they should also be deporting those illegals and otherwise who are detrimental to the national good and national security of the UK.

I also heard of an incident a few days ago only a mile from my house, at my local supermarket. A woman was shopping with her baby girl and she only turned to a shelf to get something and her baby was snatched.

The store was immediately locked down, nobody being allowed to leave. They found the baby in the ladies toilets with two eastern european women who were busy cutting off the babies hair in an effort to transform/disguise her.

I cannot go to Poland or any other European country and demand the "rights" that these people enjoy nor would I expect to. We are pathetic when it comes to immigration and it has to be addressed.

Come here to work - fine. Come here to sponge - get lost.

RichardsReds
30-04-2008, 07:07 PM
Come here to work - fine. Come here to sponge - get lost.

I think that is how most people feel.

Also i think we are soon going to have a problem in our country with over crowding. We need to reduce immigration.

Soon people will have no where to live, roads will be over congested. London underground will not function properly. There are pros and cons. Do the pros outweigh the cons though. Anything that damages our country needs to be addressed.

Red Devil
02-05-2008, 02:31 PM
People already have nowhere to live as councils have no further room. Prescott's promise of affordable housing got as lost as all labours previous promisies. They are currently building around here on any piece of grass that will support a few bricks and selling them off as "luxury apartments" - I am sure its the same nationwide.

My daughter is a fully qualified Vet nurse and there is no way she will ever be able to afford a mortgage, council tax, electricity, gas etc etc. Because of her devotion to her job she is stuck with us.

sianluvsunited
02-05-2008, 04:14 PM
too many come here and not enough work for them anyway. in polska and romanie our government makes sure our people know it is not free life here. they must come to work hard if not then stay home and don't make us embarassed with this laziness. some of them come here and make trouble with crime and just being a bad influence. they should go and uk should kick them out of here.

pass_me_a_rizla
02-05-2008, 05:01 PM
People already have nowhere to live as councils have no further room. Prescott's promise of affordable housing got as lost as all labours previous promisies. They are currently building around here on any piece of grass that will support a few bricks and selling them off as "luxury apartments" - I am sure its the same nationwide.

My daughter is a fully qualified Vet nurse and there is no way she will ever be able to afford a mortgage, council tax, electricity, gas etc etc. Because of her devotion to her job she is stuck with us.

mate, i realise that fundamental services are more appreictaed in other countries. even in india nurses and docs get a lot of status and respect.

money though, onnly Australia or NZL are the way to go. m,money and sun and a smile... nice.

Hmm.. interesting data. The flood gates opened, economic conditions here got (deleted) as companies moved towards the cheaper eastern bloc, imported eastern folk decided to move back to 'their country'.

i think we're seeing a balancing act here, a movement towards a single giant economy. my dad seems to think we#ll scrap the pound before too long and join the euro [old man's opinion]; i think we'll accept the euro widely and streamline it with our nugget.

But the Euro zone is going to get bigger and better.. in 20 years i think we'll have this single giant super economy that will directly compete with the USA.

I do wonder how it'll all work out... To do so one needs to study Economics and globalisation i.e. boffinomics. lol

Anyone here an economist?

Red Devil
02-05-2008, 05:30 PM
The problem here is not whether we go "euro" or not, its our "freebie help yourself society". You try going to any country in Europe and get the same deals that these people get coming here.

By the way, pass, no swearing and no more free warnings.

carlyluvsunited
03-05-2008, 11:51 AM
The problem here is not whether we go "euro" or not, its our "freebie help
yourself society". You try going to any country in Europe and get the same deals
that these people get coming here.

My country doesn't have the benefit of these 'deals' ...

For you in the UK it is easy ....

You have no job so they give you money for free ... :confused:

You have no job so they pay your rent for you ... :confused:

In my country if you have no job then you don't eat. Plain fact !!

As children gowing up with just mother sometimes we went hungry :(

(But we were always loved and were never cold, never cold).

UK people don't understand and never will. When I was maybe 11 or 12 years I
always dreamed of coming here. The 'UK' was this 'magical' place where
problems just disappeared and life is always so great !!!

8 years later I made it here. And you know what ? I was right, it is a 'magical'
place where problems disappear. It really is compared to back home.

In Zizin my village people work all day back breaking picking the potatoes, such
hard work and they receive a sack of potato and £6 for this whole day. Here
they give me this much money for 30 minutes in an office !! Sixteen times more
money !! In one year I can earn 16 years worth of money at home ... If I work
really hard for just 10 years I go home, buy a house and still have plenty of cash
I don't work again.

So in response to RD ... I agree a few do try to get the free money from here. We
are embarassed by it too ... our own people acting like this :mad: But the
majority of us are here to work, work, work for maybe 10 years and then we can
go back to our families and live a decent life. That's all we want, a good
standard of life. If we had a choice we wouldn't want to be away from all our
families like we are, no way. But it's the only way we have to make a good
living.

Red Devil
03-05-2008, 09:04 PM
I do agree with Carly that family life is much more precious than in the UK; ours is almost none existent. I am lucky I have a good family, but I do not speak to two brothers due to things said. But, I digress.

haggler
03-05-2008, 09:40 PM
we sent loads of workers abroad during the early eighties and they came back as soon as our economy improved . my problem is with those who claim houses and benefit . if a govt has balls to bring in qualifying for benefits ie two years before any claims the situation would be diffused . i hate home grown spongers as much as the ones we import

Red Devil
04-05-2008, 12:29 AM
I know this is off topic, but I have worked all my life, only had 12 days off work since 1968, paid all my taxes etc without fail, stamp paid up, everything. BUT - if I want to use the dentist I have to pay; if I want to get some medication, I have to pay. I pay tax on what I earn and what I spend.

"Somewhere" is a family who have never worked. All their "home improvements" have been done by the council FOC; including an extension and a brand new kitchen and double glazing. They walk out the front with the "aid" of walking sticks, but are fine in the back. They have unlimited electricity, have washing machines and tumble dryers going through the night, most days you can hear the electric meat knife sawing through a joint. Their lights are on mostly throughout night, their waste is 4 times my amount as is the loud tv.

Why should I bother???

carlyluvsunited
04-05-2008, 02:49 AM
I do agree with Carly that family life is much more precious than in the UK; ours is
almost none existent. I am lucky I have a good family, but I do not speak to two
brothers due to things said. But, I digress.To me my family is all that
keeps me going sometimes !!

My sister and I send home £400 every month ... this was held by my Nana until
she left us ... and now my mother has this job. All the money we send is added
to a big saving fund that a few other of our family also send money for.

If someone in the family is needy for something then they can go to my mother ...
explain to her what is wrong ... and she ays 'yes' or 'no'. None of our family
would try to trick the money from us anyway ... but this big fund we are building
up makes us all secure and nobody will ever be 'poor' again !!

So yes ... as you can see our families are the one most single important part of
our lives ... and by coming to UK it's not me as a single entity, or my sister as a
single entity that benefits from this - it is 120 people we call 'our own' that can
finally see thier lives and a wonderful future stretching out in front of them ...:)

RD I am so shocked that some people can live this way you describe ... they never
earn the money to make their home, they just wait for handouts and hand-me
-downs !!! What is the point of their lives then ?

You have 2 brothers and you don't talk to them !!!! This is something I just can't
ever imagine ... I go to work around 9-10am and say goodbye to my sister. Then
by the lunch time maybe 1pm I always call her to have a chat :o

Then at 3pm the same ... and at 5pm I finish work and I see her again.

I would feel dead if I was without her !! She is my best friend in the whole
world. She is what drives me on and keeps me going. As I do for her ... we wont
break our 'team' up ever !!!!

Red Devil
04-05-2008, 03:11 AM
RD I am so shocked that some people can live this way you describe ... they never earn the money to make their home, they just wait for handouts and hand-men downs !!! What is the point of their lives then ? Its called the "english disease" - something for nothing. Its contagious.

carlyluvsunited
04-05-2008, 03:15 AM
I know this is off topic, but I have worked all my life, only had 12 days off work since 1968, paid all my taxes etc without fail, stamp paid up, everything. BUT - if I want to use the dentist I have to pay; if I want to get some medication, I have to pay. I pay tax on what I earn and what I spend.

"Somewhere" is a family who have never worked. All their "home improvements" have been done by the council FOC; including an extension and a brand new kitchen and double glazing. They walk out the front with the "aid" of walking sticks, but are fine in the back. They have unlimited electricity, have washing machines and tumble dryers going through the night, most days you can hear the electric meat knife sawing through a joint. Their lights are on mostly throughout night, their waste is 4 times my amount as is the loud tv.

Why should I bother???Because you are like me and a lot of others. We have pride ... :)

It's a feeling they will never know !!!

And it makes us feel good

So who cares what the lazy ones do ..

They spend their lives worrying where the next meal will come from ... and you enjoy the time with that little grandson you have ... :-)

Red Devil
04-05-2008, 03:35 AM
thats the point, they do not worry about where their next meal is coming from, its all on the State! I am the one who worries about bills they do not get any.

carlyluvsunited
04-05-2008, 08:21 AM
I always think it is a good idea to
maybe make these people work
for this money !

I have learned about this 'Comm-
unity Service' system they have
running.

When I go to the courts to translate
for Romanian boys when they have
been stupid...I always ask for the
magistrates to consider The Comm-
unity Service and no jail for them.
I think these guys have come here
and been bad, now they must repay
the debt they owe the UK.

Same for these people who refuse to
work. Tell them: "Yes, sure, of course
you can have some money ... but to
get this you must go and work here for
it ". As with criminals ... they too can
repay their debt to society !

Easy problem to solve don't you think ?

Red Devil
04-05-2008, 04:20 PM
I asm not in favour of community service as a necessary punishment.

It depends on the crime involved. If its something like begging, community service might not solve anything. Big cities have "professional" beggars.

If its bag snatching or crimes with any violence or weapons, throw book at them, prison and deportation.

fazman
05-05-2008, 09:54 PM
Tricky subject imagrants are pouring in manchester is full of imgrants beggin it isnt good we need to tackle the problem sooner rather than later