Has John O'Shea...?

[fazman]

Ive noticed of late John o shea isnt getting the minutes on the field he has in the past and was wondering if anyone agreed with my opinion united may be tempted to cash in on the big irishman . A great servent over the years his flexability has been outdone by a certain mr hargreaves which is the main reason for me Big john may leave in the summer so what do you think ?

[-zuco-]

He's made 38 appearances this season.

I doubt Sir Alex would let a man he describes as, "perhaps the most
important cog in the Manchester United wheel" and "one of my
greatest ever signings" leave in the Summer.

[fazman]

He's made 38 appearances this season.

I doubt Sir Alex would let a man he describes as, "perhaps the most
important cog in the Manchester United wheel" and "one of my
greatest ever signings" leave in the Summer.

Are you talking about the same player I am zuco john oshea came through the youth ranks maybe he has played 38 but how many of them were 2- 3 minutes at the end of matchs

again u are hit hard on one of my threads super mod

[-zuco-]

Hit hard? I'm just giving my opinion. He's a great utility
player and if he's content to stay at the club and play
a few minutes here and there then I see no reason for
cashing in.

[fazman]

Hit hard? I'm just giving my opinion. He's a great utility
player and if he's content to stay at the club and play
a few minutes here and there then I see no reason for
cashing in.


If fergie wishes to bring in a new couple of players someone has to move on and john oshea is the logical player in my eyes you could argue against it but in my eyes hargreaves covers the positions john o shea used to come in and cover

[burnzy1987]

Hit hard? I'm just giving my opinion. He's a great utility
player and if he's content to stay at the club and play
a few minutes here and there then I see no reason for
cashing in.
i agree.

you gotta love "when jonny goes marching down the wing, OSHEA...OSHEA!!!"

[Keano!]

I hope he doesn't go!

He's a fantastic squad player, and can come in at vital moments to help puch the
team over the end line....

Remember AS Roma away in the Champions League Quarters earlier in the
season when Vidic went off?......Who came on?.....JOHN O'SHEA!


He will know that there's serious competition for place but I'm sure if you ask him
he'll be more then happy with the season.

He's a bit like Brown, Silvestre, Saha and Fletcher. Brown covers Neville, O'Shea
covers Rio and Nemanja, Silvester covers Evra, Saha covers Rooney and Tevez
and Fletch covers the midfield.

Being a great team means that you need your back-up players and John is one of
them for us!



JOHN O'SHEA = IRISH LEGEND

[Forever_United]

hargreaves cant play a good goalkeeper tho ;)

[-zuco-]

If fergie wishes to bring in a new couple of players someone has to move on and john oshea is the logical player in my eyes you could argue against it but in my eyes hargreaves covers the positions john o shea used to come in and cover

Yeah he covers them, and actually does a better job
too, but he has a lot of injury problems and can't be
relied upon all season. If there was one midfielder who
HAD to go then I'd pick Fletcher as he brings the least
to the team in my opinion.

But I still don't see why either would have to leave
because Fergie aleady has money to spend and besides,
just how much money do you think we could sell O'Shea
for? It certainly wouldnt be much.

Plus he has four years on his contract.

[fazman]

I hope he doesn't go!

He's a fantastic squad player, and can come in at vital moments to help puch the
team over the end line....

Remember AS Roma away in the Champions League Quarters earlier in the
season when Vidic went off?......Who came on?.....JOHN O'SHEA!


He will know that there's serious competition for place but I'm sure if you ask him
he'll be more then happy with the season.

He's a bit like Brown, Silvestre, Saha and Fletcher. Brown covers Neville, O'Shea
covers Rio and Nemanja, Silvester covers Evra, Saha covers Rooney and Tevez
and Fletch covers the midfield.

Being a great team means that you need your back-up players and John is one of
them for us!



JOHN O'SHEA = IRISH LEGEND


great post keano but every player comes to the end of there cycle look at phil neville and nicky butt they could of stayed and been like big john but fergie decided they needed more football and they were replaced

[-zuco-]

great post keano but every player comes to the end of there cycle look at phil neville and nicky butt they could of stayed and been like big john but fergie decided they needed more football and they were replaced

Fergie didn't decide that, they did!

[fazman]

Fergie didn't decide that, they did!


There were offers every season for both men and fergie could of said no if he wanted they left because john oshea and fletcher were coming into there roles both were gettin on abit so he moved them

[-zuco-]

Fergie can't "move them" to another club unless they agree to it.

They moved because they wanted to.

[fazman]

Fergie can't "move them" to another club unless they agree to it.

They moved because they wanted to.


yes and fergie decided they were to go to zuco he is a manager its is his decision to sell they decided which club they went to out of the teams that came in for them

[Hanky Parker]

I hope he doesn't go!

He's a fantastic squad player, and can come in at vital moments to help puch the
team over the end line....

Remember AS Roma away in the Champions League Quarters earlier in the
season when Vidic went off?......Who came on?.....JOHN O'SHEA!


He will know that there's serious competition for place but I'm sure if you ask him
he'll be more then happy with the season.

He's a bit like Brown, Silvestre, Saha and Fletcher. Brown covers Neville, O'Shea
covers Rio and Nemanja, Silvester covers Evra, Saha covers Rooney and Tevez
and Fletch covers the midfield.

Being a great team means that you need your back-up players and John is one of
them for us!



JOHN O'SHEA = IRISH LEGEND
I would keep O'Shea but don't see the point in keeping Louis Saha. I was a big fan of his and still am when he plays but he just isn't fit enough times for him to be worth his squad place.

[fazman]

I would keep O'Shea but don't see the point in keeping Louis Saha. I was a big fan of his and still am when he plays but he just isn't fit enough times for him to be worth his squad place.



yeah louis saha is on his way dont you worry thats if anyone would have him now

[Jazz 16]

He's made 38 appearances this season.

I doubt Sir Alex would let a man he describes as, "perhaps the most
important cog in the Manchester United wheel" and "one of my
greatest ever signings" leave in the Summer.

What Zuco said.......
The lad will play anywhere and he is happy being a squad player.
Thats priceless in the current market....loyalty and versatility.
He is one of our best servants having notched up over 285 apps for United.
Whether he plays 2 mins or 90 mins its irrelevant. We need him in our squad.

[Keano!]

I would keep O'Shea but don't see the point in keeping Louis Saha. I was a big fan of his and still am when he plays but he just isn't fit enough times for him to be worth his squad place.

Yeah.......but he does have the ability to score.

Pity he does have injury problems, and I wouldn't be surprised to see the
Frenchman depart OT in the Summer..

[marty davidson]

he is only there because he can nearly play in ever position he is a brillant squad player

[Natalie]

no point just signed a new deal and if we get rid we could end up regretting

[RichardsReds]

Why sell O'shea. He has never expressed desire to play for another club and i'm certain everyone wants him to stay.

Just what is the point in this thread?

[fazman]

Why sell O'shea. He has never expressed desire to play for another club and i'm certain everyone wants him to stay.

Just what is the point in this thread?


What was the point of your gym thread it was put out there to see people's point of view richard do some sit ups u look like u have a chubby belly

[spellbound]

We cant only have 11 senior player and reserves on sub bench. Johnny is a category of players who gives your team glory. He fits in wherever the manager asks him to play and he can sit on the bench a couple of games and no moaning like other 'team players' can start moaning if they are not picked for a game he got to get first team football.

[RichardsReds]

What was the point of your gym thread it was put out there to see people's point of view richard do some sit ups u look like u have a chubby belly

I know i'll focus on sit ups harder! It's hard tho going out on the weekends and getting lashed then keeping a 6 pack!

[Nemanjaaa]

Hes made 38 appearences surely not :eek:
I haven't noticed him this season !

[sweet fa]

Ive noticed of late John o shea isnt getting the minutes on the field he has in the past and was wondering if anyone agreed with my opinion united may be tempted to cash in on the big irishman . A great servent over the years his flexability has been outdone by a certain mr hargreaves which is the main reason for me Big john may leave in the summer so what do you think ?

you made a good point fazman o shea has not been used much this season ,and hargreaves is a much better player so its not gonna get any easier to get in the side .and one thing is certain with the size of the squad players will be sold in the summer to allow for new signings , players like o'shea ,saha,dong,silvestre ,fletcher are all possible leavers its a fact.

[eoininho]

i agree.

you gotta love "when jonny goes marching down the wing, OSHEA...OSHEA!!!"
I'd keep him for that reason alone!!!
cant believe Liverpool stole it!!

O'Shea is so annoying how crap he is cos I know how good he is (played against him once in a non competitive situation.. and he's the best I've ever seen!)! If he actually looked up and passed to his own team mates he'd be in the top player category,.. not that most of ye care but he is pathetic in an Ireland jersey 9 times out of 10!

[you_little_red_devil_NZ]

Too be successfull over long campaigns...you need to have Strength-of-Squad to make it.

Teams can have the biggest names in football playing for them but its the quality of the lesser known squad players that plays the most important part in the long run.

John O'Shea is a quailty squad player...loyal, versitile and at peace with his role at the club...understanding how important he is in his own right.

Please don't go John! We need you...more than ever!

[Fergaiste]

I'd keep him for that reason alone!!!
cant believe Liverpool stole it!!

O'Shea is so annoying how crap he is cos I know how good he is (played against him once in a non competitive situation.. and he's the best I've ever seen!)! If he actually looked up and passed to his own team mates he'd be in the top player category,.. not that most of ye care but he is pathetic in an Ireland jersey 9 times out of 10!

have to agree as a fellow paddy that O'shea has been a major flop playing for Ireland although his recent performances have been more encouraging.

I feel O'Shea will go the way Phil neville/ nicky butt went in that after a number of years service its time to actually get more first team football especially as you approach your late 20's. i think as the first person said in the opening post that he was mr versatile but Fergie seems to have him further down the pecking order with Silvestre playing at left full against chelsea and hargo playing against the hammers and barca. These would have been games the Deise man would have been a shoe in up to recently when any of the first choice back 4 were injured or rested.

i wonder if Fergie really rates him and will he keep him this summer as if I were Johnno i would be asking that question in light of his recent demotion. Certainly if it continues the way its going till Christmas I would be handing in a transfer request as no player as seasoned as o' shea can be content with 2 minutes here or 2 minutes there. Besides Trapatonni may not pick him any more if he is a constant benchwarmer:D

[jd_united]

I wouldn't like to lose John. We need players like John O'Shea, Fletcher and Park etc. to give the squad a good balance. While they may not be world beaters, a team full of stars doesn't always make you the best side, e.g. Chelsea, Real Madrid.

Johnny has played near enough ever position possible. He has played all across the back, in center midfield, as an emergency striker on the opening day of this season against Reading, and who can forget goalkeeper against Tottenham after VDS broke his nose.

I think one thing that works against Sheasy is in fact his versitility. There was a time when he had made the left back spot his own, but with injuries in other positions and the arrival of Gabriel Henize, John found himself without a regular first team position, but filling in all over the place. Since then he has never really had his own position in the side and quite honestly, I'm not sure on what his best position is anymore.

While he may not be a first choice player week in week out, I would much rather we hung onto big John.

[Jazz 16]

I wouldn't like to lose John. We need players like John O'Shea, Fletcher and Park etc. to give the squad a good balance. While they may not be world beaters, a team full of stars doesn't always make you the best side, e.g. Chelsea, Real Madrid.

Johnny has played near enough ever position possible. He has played all across the back, in center midfield, as an emergency striker on the opening day of this season against Reading, and who can forget goalkeeper against Tottenham after VDS broke his nose.

I think one thing that works against Sheasy is in fact his versitility. There was a time when he had made the left back spot his own, but with injuries in other positions and the arrival of Gabriel Henize, John found himself without a regular first team position, but filling in all over the place. Since then he has never really had his own position in the side and quite honestly, I'm not sure on what his best position is anymore.

While he may not be a first choice player week in week out, I would much rather we hung onto big John.

Wow great post JD, couldnt have put it better myself.
Jonner will stay at the club he loves and be the great pro that he is.

[sparkic]

I think his apps were limited this season because we got another utility man in Hargreaves...but I would hold on to both of them because they both can be vital when injuries come!

[dckyfoxes]

He's a versatile player... Throughout his carreer, we have seen him playing in all position that SAF wants him to... I have to admit that he has been a great servant but with the number of midfielders we have, I find it rather hard to see him play often...

I mean if some club comes up with a good price, why not?

[fazman]

I think a few are picking up on my point but I do agree big John has been a excellent utility player over the years

[reddwarf]

Ive noticed of late John o shea isnt getting the minutes on the field he has in the past and was wondering if anyone agreed with my opinion united may be tempted to cash in on the big irishman . A great servent over the years his flexability has been outdone by a certain mr hargreaves which is the main reason for me Big john may leave in the summer so what do you think ?

Good question fazman.

His appearances have been limited, especially towards the end of the season, and you have to ask the question 'Do we need 2 utility men now we have Hargreaves?'

I think that if O'Shea is happy to stay knowing that his chances will again be limited next season then Fergie will be happy to keep him - you never know when an injury crisis will strike. However, if he wants regular first team football then I'm sure the boss won't stand in his way.

To the Irish members - do you think a lack of appearances could harm his chances of playing for Ireland?

[Jazz 16]

Good question fazman.

His appearances have been limited, especially towards the end of the season, and you have to ask the question 'Do we need 2 utility men now we have Hargreaves?'

I think that if O'Shea is happy to stay knowing that his chances will again be limited next season then Fergie will be happy to keep him - you never know when an injury crisis will strike. However, if he wants regular first team football then I'm sure the boss won't stand in his way.

To the Irish members - do you think a lack of appearances could harm his chances of playing for Ireland?


No because we have no defenders. Finnam, Carr and Andy O Brien have
recently retired. We have Dunne who is class and players like Stephen Kelly
who can kinda do a job, Kilbane at left back..... and McShane who's form has
gone to crap. There will always be a place for OShea in the Irish team.


You mention hargo as another utility man, but OShea can also play centre back
and keeper :p which hargo cant. Our squad has enough room for Jonner.

[reddwarf]

No because we have no defenders.

Lol.

Fair enough. There's not really any great need for him to move on then. There aren't many other clubs who can offer him the chance to win trophies and play in Europe and if he moved to any of them I'm not sure he'd play many more games.

[fazman]

Well it seems many have decided big john has a long future you may be right it is just my opinion that his time is drawing nearer I respect peoples point of view on this though.