Last time we produced through the ranks?

[marty davidson]

When is the last time we have produce a good player through the youth ranks most of the young players we have be brought and then sold like Rossi and looks like Pique is going that way to.

[Keano's fan]

Darren Fletcher is the first name that comes tomind really that has really established himself in the first team set up. The academy system in England isnt up to scartch really. Sure, United, West Ham and co have produced great young players over the years and thats the best we could hope for really.

The class of '92 is something that will never happend again. Certainly not with the current set up and rules. I'd be happy with one decent prospect every year or so. We have that in Johnny Evans, Danny Simpson and Frazier Campbell. The thing is, the demands at our football club are so high. Those players might walk straight in most teams line ups, but at United its different where winning every game is a must.

[marty davidson]

But the like of simpson and evans are likely to be sold on

[Keano's fan]

Not that I agree with you on that, but even if they were to be shipped out, so ? Theyre not good enough to play for Manchester United then. Its not like the clubs around us are consistantly producing young talents. There are faults in the system, and with the money that has come into footabll the demands are higher than ever. So Clubs arent gambling on young talents as much as they used to do.

[marty davidson]

but there has been no superstars come through the youth ranks in ages look at west ham the players they produce through there youth ranks and we are a bigger club than west ham. And when we do have good young players like Rossi Fergie goes and sells him.

[cjl_safcfan]

i hope you do sell evans on... come where you belong johhny :p

also, the price of good british talent has gone up...so you are less likely to see a lowewr division team be buying them IMO

[Devilzz91]

John O'Shea, Darren Fletcher are two recent ones. Danny Simpson is looking good for the future too, he may be Neville's eventual replacement.

[Keano's fan]

but there has been no superstars come through the youth ranks in ages look at west ham the players they produce through there youth ranks and we are a bigger club than west ham. And when we do have good young players like Rossi Fergie goes and sells him.
Rossi wanted to go, Fergie didnt just sell him.

And you've mentioned West ham, who was the last top class player they've produced ? Is Mark Noble a top class player ? Tomkins ?

[reddwarf]

Rio Ferdinand (and his brother Anton), Michael Carrick, Joe Cole, Frank Lampard and Jermain Defoe all came the West Ham youth academy didn't they?

[Keano's fan]

Carrick was brought in at the age of 17 I think, but the rest are academy products yes. My point was that even they arent producing great players every year. Those are 4 top class players, one good player and a decent one. People talk their academy up like theyve been producing great players every year. I could only think of the 6 you mentioned reddwarf and a couple of decent players theyve produced over the years. Dont United better that with Scholes, Beckham, The Nevilles, Giggs, Brown, Fletcher, O'shea and I could even add the likes of Richardson and McShane to that plus a few others that play at a decent level ?

[cjl_safcfan]

mc shane has had a disaster of a season and i can saY THAT HAVING WATCHED HIM FOR 19 GAMES ;)... RICHARDSON HASN'T DONE TO BAD...

SEEMS LIKE BOTH OF THESE TYWO ARE OFF TO WEST BROM THOUGH :(

p.s sorry caps

[scott 4 evra]

Ye but none have come for our acadamy. If we are spending 30 million on a lot of players, how can we expect them to come through, it is a big problem.

Fletcher and O Shea have been good squad players but we haven't had a top player come through since the "Fergie Fledlings" in 92.

[Keano's fan]

Im not talking about their form, but they are full internationals. Producing full internationals year in year out isnt half bad is it ?

[Keano's fan]

Ye but none have come for our acadamy. If we are spending 30 million on a lot of players, how can we expect them to come through, it is a big problem.

Fletcher and O Shea have been good squad players but we haven't had a top player come through since the "Fergie Fledlings" in 92.
We are spending millions on players BECAUSE no great prospects are coming through. Its not the other way around.

[RichardsReds]

What about Foster?

[scott 4 evra]

We are spending millions on players BECAUSE no great prospects are coming through. Its not the other way around.

I disagree. If Chelsea are spending millions on other players we can't expect to rely on youngsters. Look at our first team, Rooney, Tevez, Ferdinand, Hargreaves, Carrick, Anderson, Nani, Ronaldo. All cost a lot and there is still not much between us and Chelsea. The young players coming through may be good but how can they compete with this.

[versa]

The conveyor belt is not functioning properly; in fact it breaks down too often.

[Jazz 16]

The conveyor belt is not functioning properly; in fact it breaks down too often.

It doesn't particularly 'need' to work as such......We are in the business of buying
in quality young players like Nani, Anderson, Tevez etc....for ridiculous amounts
of money, so these home grown youngsters will rarely get a sniff.
It's sad in a way, especially for them, but that's what football has become in today's game...

[RichardsReds]

Guys but what about Foster we developed him didn't we? Or was he a chef until 19 years old i'm unsure as to his history.

[reddwarf]

What about Foster?

We bought him from Stoke when he was 22.

[RichardsReds]

Well then i was totally wrong... I do remember this now though.

Ok then what about hmmm...

Fletcher has been said.

O'shea has been mentioned.

Fraiser-Campbell?

[Keano's fan]

I disagree. If Chelsea are spending millions on other players we can't expect to rely on youngsters. Look at our first team, Rooney, Tevez, Ferdinand, Hargreaves, Carrick, Anderson, Nani, Ronaldo. All cost a lot and there is still not much between us and Chelsea. The young players coming through may be good but how can they compete with this.
They might be good, but obviously not good enough to start for United when we're paying millions for players from other clubs. What other clubs do is irrelevant if the players coming through were good enough for United.

Example : If we had a young Paul Scholes coming through the ranks, would we have spent that much on Anderson and Carrick ? I doubt it. Even if the likes of Chelsea are spending millions on Lampards and Essiens, Paul Scholes, a youth product, is good enough to compete with that. But seeing as we dont have good enough midfielders coming through the ranks, we needed to invest in Anderson, Carrick and Hargreaves to compete for trophies.

[reddwarf]

Danny Welbeck has to be the most promising member of our youth/reserve set up at the moment. For him to travel with the squad to Moscow shows how much potential Fergie thinks he's got.

[Keano!]

Simpson is an up an coming talant.

Ben Foster? Danny Welbeck? Johnny Evans?

[marty davidson]

Simpson is an up an coming talant.

Ben Foster? Danny Welbeck? Johnny Evans?

Ben Foster was brought and we can not judge wellbeck or Evans yit