The FIFA Club World Championship !

[Drew9]

this is a competition that caused maximum contreversy back in 99/00 season with us dropping the fa cup for it, but this year around how does it work? this will be more a global exercise than a football competition but imo we should take this more seriously this time around having been shown up at the last one, also does anyone know where this will be hosted i've heard Australia have shown an interest in hosting it in 2009, but does anyone think it's pointless ? :cool:

[Stephen]

Hosted in Japan in November.

Thought we won it in 1999??

[Jazz 16]

Hosted in Japan in November.

Thought we won it in 1999??

We did. Keano scored the winner. 1-0
KEANOOOOOOOO!!!!!!:)

[Drew9]

really, yeah i remember we one a world championship, but we also got smaashed out in brazil didnt we ? the one in japan was a one off game wasn't it ? i cant remember stephen?

The FIFA Club World Cup, formerly known as the FIFA Club World Championship, is a football competition contested between the champion clubs from all 6 continental confederations, although, since 2007, the champions of Oceania must play a qualifying play-off against the champion club of the host country.

The first competition took place in Brazil in January 2000. It was intended by FIFA to be a replacement for the Intercontinental Cup (also known as the Toyota Cup), which was contested annually in Tokyo, Japan by the champions of Europe via the Champions League and South America via the Copa Libertadores.
the one im on about is the tournment, not the one off game we played, you know when becks got sent off anyone remember ? lol

[yangch0000]

it will take quite a lot out of the players.
just hope it wont influence our title defence.
if we have successful cup runs, we would have approaching 65-70 games next season. that would be fantastic, but at the same time worrying.

[Wazza1989]

we'll go in tokio and make history there as well....we have to keep up our level..and don't give up

[marty davidson]

could someone pm me and tell me what is tourment is about

[Drew9]

it's all the champions of ebery continent mate e.g south america asia europe etc .. it explains it in my earlier thread mate ^^^^

[NateR]

There are only about 7-8 games in total, and Milan only actually played 2 games against Urawa Reds & Boca Juniors in the Finals, as did Barcelona the previous year...

So it won't tire the team out too much. At worst, we'll probably end up having some games re-arranged, which could be a real pain later on in the season...


But we'll win it.

[RichardsReds]

What this tournament is about:


The FIFA Club World Cup, formerly known as the FIFA Club World Championship, is a football competition contested between the champion clubs from all 6 continental confederations, although, since 2007, the champions of Oceania must play a qualifying play-off against the champion club of the host country.

The first competition took place in Brazil in January 2000. It was intended by FIFA to be a replacement for the Intercontinental Cup (also known as the Toyota Cup), which was contested annually in Tokyo, Japan by the champions of Europe via the Champions League and South America via the Copa Libertadores.

The second edition was penciled in for Spain in 2001, to feature 12 teams. This was canceled owing to a combination of factors, most importantly the collapse of FIFA's marketing partner ISL. It was then intended to hold the event in 2003, but this also failed to happen. FIFA eventually agreed terms with the Toyota Cup to merge the two competitions, with the first installment of the relaunched Club World Championship held in Japan between December 11 and December 18, 2005.

Japan has hosted the yearly competition since, but open bidding processes for hosting it will begin with the 2009 edition.[1] Australia and the UAE have presented bids for the 2009 and 2010 FIFA Club World Cup.[2] Portugal, after initially putting forward a bid, decided to withdraw its candidacy.[3]

In February 2008, FIFA introduced a Club World Champion Badge of Honour, featuring an image of the trophy, which the reigning champion is entitled to display on its kit until the final of the next championship. Initially, all four previous champions can wear the badge until the 2008 final.[4]

The fifth-place match, dropped for the 2007 edition, will be reintroduced for the 2008 edition. The reintroduction of the match for fifth place has also prompted an increase in prize money by USD $500,000 to a total of USD $16.5 million. The winners will take away $5 million, second-placed team receives $4 million, the third-placed team $2.5 million, the fourth-placed team $2 million, the fifth-placed team $1.5 million, the sixth-placed team $1 million and the seventh-placed team will receive $500,000.[3]

[Drew9]

this would be a very worth while competition to win in terms of finances, plus the fact players like carlos and ando have the opportunity to mybe play against some teams from their own country, imagine carlos playing boca lol i dont think he'd like to do that haha

[NateR]

this would be a very worth while competition to win in terms of finances, plus the fact players like carlos and ando have the opportunity to mybe play against some teams from their own country, imagine carlos playing boca lol i dont think he'd like to do that haha

Lol, actually he'd love to play against them:
http://www.fifa.com/clubworldcup/news/newsid=774949.html#tevez+dreams+boca+showdown

;)

[Drew9]

lol wow, this could be a great showdown, i'd love to see us play boca, two world greats !

[Stephen]

We will only play a maximum of 2 games, the semi and the final. In December, so we will remain in the FA Cup unlike in 2000.

[Red Devil]

The World club Championship is a one off, neutral venue game against South American Champions. The FIFA thing we "ditched" the FA Cup for was a special one off centenary tournie.

[sweet fa]

could someone pm me and tell me what is tourment is about


the world club championship is when the european champions {champions league} play the winners of the south american version over one game, utd have won this in 99, and it takes place every season.
but another stupid version was also started by fifa in 99 {the one where utd received critizism for pulling out of the fa cup},this involves a few teams from around the globe taking part in a tournament where 3 or 4 games might be played .when utd took part it was played in brazil ,pressure was put on utd to take part by the goverment but the fa would not allow us to field a second string team in the fa cup while we were away so we had to pull out ,and have been critized ever since.
this tournament should never have started it just doe's not fit into the european season,to be honest i thought it was scrapped i hope it is ,if not send our second team this time.:rolleyes:

[Red Devil]

http://www.manutdtalk.com/forums/history-man-utd/4540-manchester-united-history.html


See part 8

In 99 for example, we actually won the QUAD - The famous treble, but also the one off World Club Championship as well. Quite a feat eh?

[NateR]

The World club Championship is a one off, neutral venue game against South American Champions. The FIFA thing we "ditched" the FA Cup for was a special one off centenary tournie.
Its against the winners of the Champion's League equivenlent from the various continents. It just turns out the South American teams usually are the better ones out of the lot...

[abojodeh]

it is not pointless
it is a good championship that we have to win to prove that we are the best in the world :cool:

[Red Devil]

Its against the winners of the Champion's League equivenlent from the various continents. It just turns out the South American teams usually are the better ones out of the lot...

Edit: it has to be the most under publicised tournament ever!! I thought it was finito. So, on this premise, how are we supposed to fit this into what is going to be a hectic schedule. I cannot see Fergie saying yes again.

[NateR]

Ok then, since we were in it, name the teams that have played in it, and which year, with winners. I can't find anything on any follow up tournie.
Here:
http://www.fifa.com/tournaments/archive/tournament=107/index.html

[Red Devil]

I edited my reply having already found it, point above.

[Daemonic Jackal]

I dont understand why they dont just scrap this and bring back the old Inter-Continental Cup since its always The Champions of Europe & South America in final anyway. If I was SAF Iwouldnt bother with this and just soley concentrate on our regular competitions since in truth its nothing but a money spinner.

[yangch0000]

i think we would participate. liverpool did, barcelona did, and ac milan did also. the fixture will be much more congested, but i dun think we have a choice.

[Nemanjaaa]

Hardly any of the teams that win the Champo win it - AC Milan - No, Barca - No, L'Pool - No.
But we will ;) It disrupts us a bit though, because it will leave us with about 3 games in hand therefore around 6 points of the drift of things depending on the start we have.

[TheManc]

would it replace the FA cup next year? if so then i wouldn't like to enter.

but if it isnt replacing the FA cup then we should enter, we have a big enough squad now to handle a couple more games so that shouldnt realy be a problem to us.

[jerrakos]

Yeah I hope we enter.

[reddwarf]

The World Club Championship in 2000 was in January so clashed with the 3rd round of the FA Cup.

It's now held in December so that won't be a problem.

Fixture congestion is a concern though because we also have to play in the European Super Cup, which means we'll be at least 3 fixtures behind everyone else in the league.

If Chelsea make a good start then we'll have some catching up to do. AC Milan were in the bottom half of the league for ages this season and ended up finishing 5th. Hopefully, we'll cope better than that!

[Clarky101]

i think your find that was the inter continental cup or whatever its called. you only play one game in that. its always hosted in tokyo and its the winners from south americas version of the champions league. normally our side of the planet win it

the fifa world club championships consists of the champions of continental champions all around the world. not just europe and south americmost popular teams to get chucked in are few asian clubs an argentinian or brazilian club and i have seen american clubs in it before.

you have the option not to enter it and i dont think liverpool did in 05

when we done it in brazil in 99/00 season we got spanked and fergie blamed it on the heat

but i would like us to enter it as we have never won this in our history. however, i do not think we will as fergie has bad views on it and i think he would rather retain the league and champions league than win this. hopefully tho we will because id like to go to it

anyone know how tickets will go for this?

[reddwarf]

i think your find that was the inter continental cup or whatever its called. you only play one game in that. its always hosted in tokyo and its the winners from south americas version of the champions league. normally our side of the planet win it

you have the option not to enter it and i dont think liverpool did in 05?

The Intercontinental Cup was in November 1999. We beat Palmeiras 1-0.

The first World Club Championship was in January 2000 and featured United, Real Madrid, Vasco da Gama, Corinthians, Necaxa, South Melbourne and a couple of other teams. As you can see there were 2 European sides and 2 Brazilian sides. We got knocked out in the group stage, Real Madrid came 4th and it was won by Corinthians.

Both of these tournaments were replaced by the FIFA Club World Cup in 2005.

Liverpool entered the FIFA Club World Cup after winning the Champions League in 2005 and lost in the final against Sao Paulo.

[Drew9]

the super cupsheld in monaco, and is on a week night so that shouldnt disrupt our league games, but yes the world club championship would make us a few games behind

[Clarky101]

i see. so they completly got rid of the tokyo competition inter-continental thing?
cause that was a cool trophy sort of had like to bars as handles didnt it and a lil globe thing on top?

cant remember liverpool doing the fifa club champ comp lol. thought they lost to san paolo in final of inter con not club thing but ill take your word for it

know anything about ticket availability for this?

^^

[Drew9]

very difficault probably mate, it's in japan aswell

[amuchan]

i hope they dont change this tournament!! i live in tokyo!! from what i remember last year, AC played boca in the final, it was a really good game, but they only played two games, and it inlcuded a team from australisia, i think they were from newzealand last year, and some teams from middle east, and of course asian champs who were urawa reds last year. Its a big deal over here in japan this tournament, they big up on tv weeks before!

[reddwarf]

the super cupsheld in monaco, and is on a week night so that shouldnt disrupt our league games, but yes the world club championship would make us a few games behind

The Super Cup is played on a Friday night so our fixture that weekend will have to be moved.

Clarky - Liverpool beat Deportivo Saprissa (who came 3rd) 3-0 in the semi's and lost 1-0 to Sao Paulo in the final.

[sean2689]

So whos in it this year??

[Drew9]

well we dont know yet as the libertadores is still going on (south american vesion of the champions league) but it looks likely that boca will win it, other than that i dont have a clue who will be in it, does anyone know if this will be televised ??

[Clarky101]

is it def in japan than cause that would be pricey for flights and accomadation

and when abouts in decemeber is it

im guessing it will be at the start rather the xmas period

dwarf - scousers done a lot better than us then, but we were in sunny brazil

[Drew9]

yeah but clarky remember they only had to play 2 games, we had more and yes i thik it will be at the start, also austrailia were tyring to host the competition but im not sure in they suceeded so yes i do believe it's in japan

[reddwarf]

dwarf - scousers done a lot better than us then, but we were in sunny brazil

True, but the format had changed. There were no group stages - Liverpool entered the tournament in the semi-finals and only 6 teams took part.

The 'quarter-finals' only had 4 teams in them. The losers of them played a 5th/6th place playoff. Then 2 more teams enter at the semi-final stage - the losers play a 3rd/4th place playoff.

[sean2689]

Waitakere United & CF Pachuca are also in the competition this year wth us...not sure of the rest yet

[sparkic]

If we can go to Saudi Arabia and play in a freindly in the middle of our season...I think we will cope with the European Super Cup and the FIFA Club World Cup...its just an extra 3 games overseas...win 3 games and win 2 trophies is a good thing for both publicity, honours, income and other fans around the world can see us play...good thing is that we will play in all competitions domestically unlike in 2000...AC Milan might of had a poor season this season and participated in both but we are a much better team than them and I think we can cope and win em all! Thank God the Intercontinental Cup is no longer played because that would of meant more fixtures!

[reddwarf]

win 3 games and win 2 trophies is a good thing for both publicity, honours, income and other fans around the world can see us play

Next season we'll be going for the septuple :eek:

Community Shield, European Super Cup, World Club Cup, Premier League, FA Cup, League Cup and Champions League!!!

[manutd004]

I cba to read the whole thread (:p) so does anyone know who we're playing?

I'm looking forward to it though. I think it'll be a great experience, and hopefully we can do ourselves proud and win it.

[Stephen]

Next season we'll be going for the septuple :eek:

Community Shield, European Super Cup, World Club Cup, Premier League, FA Cup, League Cup and Champions League!!!
The first 3 aren't considered in any type of -ble crap.

We won the Shield this season, but does anyone consider that? No. We are England and European Champions, not, England and European Champions, and Charity Shield winners.

[Drew9]

good shout stephen, i will look foward to watching this though, remember the world cup 6 years ago that was brilliant in japan and korea and the world club championship will be a similar spectacle

[sean2689]

This stite gives the lowdown on whats goin on.....I think this may be a reason for Ronaldo to stay so he can add this and the Super cup to his shelf....



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_FIFA_Club_World_Cup

[jerrakos]

C'mon United.

[RedAdam]

im not sure how big this tournament really is.
obviously you can say "we're officially best in the world"
but i remember in 1999, we had a one off game in japan. i think we won 1-0 and giggsy got a toyota car for getting man of the match :)

but in the real thing, we opted out of the fa cup and then draw with a poor mexican team, got hammered by vasco da gama and then struggled past an australian team. now even if we'd beaten them all- do they really sound like the creme de la creme of world football?

[futbol]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f5/Clubwc08logo.gif

[sean2689]

Back in 99' it was the Intercontinental Cup, it was a different Competition format then...we dont miss the FA cup this time round....its 3 matches in december and thats it...Yes i know they arent the best teams in the worl but they are the best in there continents as we are so its a good thing i think.

[CaptainRoyKeane]

Looks and sounds interesting, Ronaldo hasn't won everything with United yet!

[asaf cohen]

i heard next year its going to be in Australia. why couldn't it have been this year!!!!! i could have gone and watched united for the first time in my life!!!!!

[jerrakos]

That would have been great if it was in Aus.

[Drew9]

i've already made a thread on this lads

http://www.manutdtalk.com/forums/man-utd-chat/11381-fifa-club-world-championship.html

[sweet fa]

in all honesty guys these games are not much more than the charity shield so don't get too overawed by them .utds quest is still 1 prem. 2 champions league. 3 fa cup. 4 league cup.

[Stephen]

No one cares about them.

Pointless games.

[Because I'm DC]

Mixed feelings about our participation in this.

Liverpool did it a few years ago and they ended up 2 or 3 games behind every one else in the league. The fixtures start building around Christmas time and then in the new year with Champs League games.. Send a squad there perhaps, but some of the older players should maybe be rested.

[Drew9]

im pretty up for it, it's something the south americans will take more seriously imo

[Stephen]

Would anyone actually care if we went and threw the game by fielding a rubbish side?

I wouldn't.

[Drew9]

we dont have a rubbish one mate ;) but yeah i would be quite botherd if we went out of the competition, if we're in it we might aswell win it :)

[RedMurph7]

I wouldnt be overly upset if we didnt win it!
If we did great, nice trophy to add in but by no means should it be veiwed as something we're aiming for and compromise are defense of the CL and the Premiership.

[Jazz 16]

Obviously this would be a great one to win but Im not sure how serious
Fergie is taking it. Should he even be too bothered?
A few interesting quotes from him in this morning's paper:


"I will have to be sensible when the Club World Championship comes around - and that means leaving players behind in England.

"It is flattering to be going to Japan, but it's not ideal because we will have games on December 26 and 28 when we get home, followed by the FA Cup.

"So I will have to be careful about the players I pick to go.

"Much will depend on the form of the team and the players I have available through injuries and suspensions, but it is possible that I will leave a lot of our more senior players behind.
"Jet-lag becomes a problem when you return from the Far East so I will have to manage it in the right way and do what is good for Manchester United."


We will need a bit of luck regarding injuries this season cos we have a
mountain of fixtures.

Where does this trophy rank for you? Is it the be all and end all?
Discuss.

[Fabio]

we should go all out to win it, we will be world champions.

[jdc747]

I don't think it is that important, well at least not to clubs anymore, where money is what matters - and it doesn't offer a lot of money winning it.

[TheManc]

Well for me our priorities for this are:


1. Premiership / CL

2. CL / Premiership

3. FA Cup / World Club Championships

4. World Club Championships / FA Cup

5. Carling Cup

6. Super Cup

7. Community Shield.

So really its between that and the FA Cup for 3rd spot. I think the FA Cup is maybe more prestigeous but I quite fancy being called 'World Champions' lol.

We can win the FA Cup next season but we might not get the chance to win the WCC for another few years.

Judging by Fergie's comments he'll probably use some of the younger players. I've not problem with that because we have a very big squad plus the winners of the Copa Libatodores are LDU (or something like that) who were supposed to be quite poor and were very lucky to win it.

Our reserves could probably beat the other 1 or 2 teams we have to face. (champions of Asia or something like that)


-----------------------------Foster------------------------------

--Rafael----------Brown---------Evans-------------Fabio--

------------Fletcher----Anderson---Rodrigo------------------

--Park--------------------------------------------------Nani--

-----------------------------Tevez*----------------------------


Subs: Amos, O'Shea, Silvestre, Pettrucci, Wellbeck, Macheda, (Gibson and martin if they're with us still)

* Or New striker


That team looks decent enough to me because we won't be playing teams like Boca Jrns or any other top South American team, plus we'll have a great chance to show off some youngsters.

This competition is a big deal in South America so with us playing 5 players from there it will really boost our reputation over there.

[Jazz 16]

Decent enough team there^^^
Bit surprised you rate the Carling cup higher than the Super Cup. The Super cup
is quite prestigous I would have thought? It would be a great trophy to have in
the cabinet, better imo than the Carling cup (kiddies cup).

Your right about that team that won the Copa Lib. They were the Greece of
that competition. They draw most of their games 0-0, won the odd one 1-0,
and won the final on peno's (I think). United would be far superior, even with
a 'reserve' team like the one you named above.

[TheManc]

Decent enough team there^^^
Bit surprised you rate the Carling cup higher than the Super Cup. The Super cup
is quite prestigous I would have thought? It would be a great trophy to have in
the cabinet, better imo than the Carling cup (kiddies cup).

Your right about that team that won the Copa Lib. They were the Greece of
that competition. They draw most of their games 0-0, won the odd one 1-0,
and won the final on peno's (I think). United would be far superior, even with
a 'reserve' team like the one you named above.

Yeah I was thinking about changing the Super Cup and the Carling cup around, but for me I am really looking forward to the Carling cup this season because I know we will play our youngsters in all the rounds so obviously if we win that then if will help our youngsters to really leave an impression on Fergie.

I suppose The Super cup is more prestigeous but if you look at it, its one match, wheras if we were to win the Carling cup we might not get the credit from around Europe as we would with the Super Cup but its a great chance for us to see the likes of Rodrigo, the Da Silvas ect in some competitive games.

We are lucky this year that Boca or another top S.American team didn't win because if they did we would have had to play a stronger team.

When is the tournament actually on and on what channel do you think it'll be on?

[abojodeh]

if we dont win this cup we will be slagged by rival fans
"you team lost from african/american/asian club loosers"
and if we won it
slaggers will say
"haha you think you are proud cuz your team is the champion of a stupid tournament full of stupid african/american/asian clubs"
:(

[Jazz 16]

Its on just before Christmas I think. No idea what channel. It will be on something anyway or we can just stream it.
Good point with the Carling Cup.....it will be good to see the youngsters in action, especially the Brazilians.

[Zense_United]

united lost to who in 1999?

[piazza]

Stupid tournament imo. Abo makes the best point possible too lol.

[Cappy]

It is important in the fact, that somewhere deep in my heart, I fully believe we are going to win all 7 trophies. Common sense says otherwise, but "football, bloody hell."

In all honesty, it is ridiculous for the FA not to be nicer with the scheduling in my opinion. wouldn't it be nice for the Premier League (not just United) to boast that they are to the Champions of Europe, and the world as well.

Hopefully though, we will have a lead of some sorts by December in the league, so Fergie can take a little stronger side.

[Wazza1989]

i think United should take it serious , no matter the names she's competing against. we are officially competing for the best club in the world and we shouldn't take it for granted:)..but i'm sure no matter what formation Fergie puts on the field we will go for the win and make a good impression

[antdevil78]

way to look at it is would you want fergie to stuff up players fitness mid-season for what is ultimately the World Charity Shield or use it like Fergie did in 99/00 to give players extra break and then go into new year to bomb on for a 18th league title and another crack at Champions League.

I dont even need a second to think about that one. Some mickey mouse one game tournament dont make you World Champions.

Send out the kids and if we win, good. If not then it aint end of the world in my eyes. This tournament should come even behind League Cup imo.