A Fair Days Pay ?

[carlyluvsunited]

The England Women football team reached the last eight of the World Cup in
China in September. And earned £40 per day from the Football Association while
doing so.

Am I alone in thinking this is a mistake?

First off, let's be clear. Even the women internationals themselves are not saying
they should be earning the same as their male counterparts. Far from it.

But £40 per day - which broadly equates to the national minimum wage - has
effectively financially penalised the women for representing their country.

What is the knock-on effect of this? The players have to work extra hours to make
up the shortfall in wages. Their fitness suffers as a result. The quality of play -
good enough for a last-eight finish at the World Cup - will inevitably suffer.

Performances will be poorer. England's women may begin to struggle to qualify
for major tournaments. The sport, already struggling for exposure, will get even
less coverage. The players' profiles will get lower.

All this on a day when figures show that just 20% of young women in the UK are
doing a healthy amount of exercise.

The England Women team represents a golden opportunity for the FA to promote
a sport which provides good female sporting role models.

Will today's teenagers aspire to become part of a team which will cost them
financially in the long run?

To give the FA credit, investment in the women's game has increased. Indeed, an
FA spokesman points out that it has never put more money into the women's
game than it does now.

But to my mind, it's still not enough. What do you think?

[rydersonthestorm]

They possibly deserve more but if they don't make money for the fa they are costing alot more than the £40 a day they are getting paid. Did they have to pay to fly to china and to stay there or for the other facilities they use. I can't say becuase i am not sure but i would be very suprised if the woman's game brings in much money so why would you pay out extra for something that will not have a return.

[carlyluvsunited]

They possibly deserve more but if they don't make money for the fa they are costing alot more than the £40 a day they are getting paid. Did they have to pay to fly to china and to stay there or for the other facilities they use. I can't say becuase i am not sure but i would be very suprised if the woman's game brings in much money so why would you pay out extra for something that will not have a return.The England mens team will get £150,000 per man if they DON'T qualify !!!

So here is a case of the FA paying out 3 million pounds - for a failure !!

The women's team had their expenses paid and got £40 per day for reaching the last 8.....

Whether you like the ladies football or not - it's sport and this should be encouraged !!

At least the women's team acheive and not deceive like the men's team !!

[Jazz 16]

Its a disgrace and a complete joke. Look how much the men get and the women get pretty much nothing. Typical FA....

[Keano's fan]

While I think women footballers should be paid more, I can see where ryder is coming from. How much money does the men team generate in ONE game at Wemberly ? A few millions ? Compare that to what women generate for the FA. Women should earn more, no doubt, but no where near as men simply because they dont generate the same kind of revenue.

[carlyluvsunited]

While I think women footballers should be paid more, I can see where ryder is coming from. How much money does the men team generate in ONE game at Wemberly ? A few millions ? Compare that to what women generate for the FA. Women should earn more, no doubt, but no where near as men simply because they dont generate the same kind of revenue.So it's all about money ?

Hmmmmmm......

This is the biggest problem of all......

This is why England have so many problems......

Take away the money......and only reward success and they will do much better !

I think it should be used to encourage kids of both sexes to step up and try to make a career in sports no matter what sport......

This will bring much more success in everything.....

But if all that matters is the amount of cash generated........well........

[Keano's fan]

You own a company right, and you've got two sales men. One earns you a certain amount of money and the other earns you a 100th of that amount. Should they both get paid equally or should the one that gets you more money gets paid more ?

[carlyluvsunited]

You own a company right, and you've got two sales men. One earns you a certain amount of money and the other earns you a 100th of that amount. Should they both get paid equally or should the one that gets you more money gets paid more ?Ah we talk on 2 different things here.......

You speak as if Sports Development is a business to make money only.

I talk as if Sports Development is to add to national pride and produce champions !!

Then this will encourage young people also to take part in sports like their heroes .....

In such a wealthy country money should be set to one side for this !

My point then was.....

These ladies reach the Woirld Cup last 8 and play in front of 30,000 and 40,000 crowds and really perform well........and get the minimum wage !!

That is an insult if you ask my opinion !

Especially when the 'failures' of the mens team will get 150,000 pounds !!

[Keano's fan]

But it is a business. Not saying that it should be, but football is a business now.

[Keano4taoiseach]

Carly.......did you watch the Womens World Cup.....they just just say thank you and shut up....;)

[rydersonthestorm]

Sorry but that is wrong women football doesn't make any money, the women's club sides are not bringing in the fans, i doubt 99% of the country could even name 4 women's footballers and you think they deserve the same money??
Sport is a business if you like it or not and that is the way it will always be, if you want equality why do the women not want to play against the men, that would bring equality we would have the best players playing all the time. I am not trying to be harsh but i doubt if one owmen player could make it into the premier leagur.
Further to this some women in other sports take advantage of being woemn such as michelle wie in golf a women who can't compete in the mens game but plays there to make money from being a failure how does that work??

[carlyluvsunited]

Sorry but that is wrong women football doesn't make any money, the women's club sides are not bringing in the fans, i doubt 99% of the country could even name 4 women's footballers and you think they deserve the same money??
Sport is a business if you like it or not and that is the way it will always be, if you want equality why do the women not want to play against the men, that would bring equality we would have the best players playing all the time. I am not trying to be harsh but i doubt if one owmen player could make it into the premier leagur.
Further to this some women in other sports take advantage of being woemn such as michelle wie in golf a women who can't compete in the mens game but plays there to make money from being a failure how does that work??People here seem to keep reading things that dont exist !!

When did I say they deserve the same money - or that equality is a good idea ?

Much better to stick to things I actually say I think Mr Jon :p

[rydersonthestorm]

It's all part of the sae arguement i am not just talking about what you said but the situation in general, if you notice i also said before i think they deserve more money but it is a simple case of market economics.

[carlyluvsunited]

It's all part of the sae arguement i am not just talking about what you said but the situation in general, if you notice i also said before i think they deserve more money but it is a simple case of market economics.Ah OK then :)

I know they will never get same as men - maybe something like 200 pounds a day is reasonable poor things, lol.....

They deserve more than a shelf stacker from Tesco though (no disrespect to these people of course) but anyone can do this job - what they achieved is a little harder I think....

[andycole9]

1st of all no one should get paid for playing for there country, it's a honour to play for your country and these people are priveliged to play for there country,

the men get paid expenses play for england and i know a lot of em don't take them expenses coz they are so priveliged and honoured to wear the three lions

[carlyluvsunited]

1st of all no one should get paid for playing for there country, it's a honour to play for your country and these people are priveliged to play for there country,

the men get paid expenses play for england and i know a lot of em don't take them expenses coz they are so priveliged and honoured to wear the three lionsThe men would have been paid 150,000 each for NOT qualifying !!

Phewwwwww..........

Pretty big expense account :eek:

[rydersonthestorm]

How much money would the fa still have made from the home games at wembley even if they don't qualify??

[reddwarf]

I think the women should at least have been paid enough to cover for lost earnings so they don't have to work overtime to recover it.

They have lost money because they have been playing for England - that's not fair.

It's the same with many athletes in this country and tennis players. They often travel the World paying their own expenses and if they get knocked out early on then they end up losing money. Our sports men and women should receive more financial backing if we want them to be successful.

[carlyluvsunited]

I think the women should at least have been paid enough to cover for lost earnings so they don't have to work overtime to recover it.

They have lost money because they have been playing for England - that's not fair.

It's the same with many athletes in this country and tennis players. They often travel the World paying their own expenses and if they get knocked out early on then they end up losing money. Our sports men and women should receive more financial backing if we want them to be successful.Hallelujuh !!!!

Praise be !!!!

At last !!!!

Someone gets the point here.......

Thankyou Mr Dwarf sir you have restored my faith in mankind :)

[rydersonthestorm]

The Football Association will earn between £12million and £24million in extra income if England qualify for the finals of Euro 2008.

Steve McClaren's men only need a draw against Croatia at Wembley on Wednesday night to go through to the finals in Austria and Switzerland next summer, and enjoy a cash bonanza.

The FA have 45 licensees including companies such as Tesco and Kellogg's who have deals that kick in when England qualify for World Cup or European Championship finals.

Under the agreements the companies are allowed to sell England-endorsed products and memorabilia and the agreements will bring in around £8million to the FA.

UEFA will also give substantial prize money to the 16 finalists with a minimum payment of around £4million, which will be added to in the way of bonuses for victories in group matches and for making the knock-out rounds.

If England or any other team win all their matches and the final they can expect to earn a total of around £16million.

The financial implications of Wednesday's match against Croatia are not the only factor however - the value of the England brand rests on qualification.

Dr Simon Chadwick, professor of sport business strategy and marketing at Coventry Business School, said: "The bigger issue is what it says about the brand. What sponsors like to do is bask in reflected glory - companies such as Adidas and Nike like to be associated with the most successful teams - and if they cannot do that it potentially has an impact on the brand and sponsorship values can fall."

The FA's top sponsorship agreements totalling around £100million with Umbro, National Express, Carlsberg, E.On and McDonald's are not affected directly by Euro 2008 qualification. Those deals last until after the 2010 World Cup, but the next round of talks are likely to begin at the end next year.

Chadwick added: "The main sponsors will soon start considering renewing their deals and re-negotiating around the end of next year and whether England have been in the European Championship finals or not will have an impact."

The FA is in good health financially - a new television deal with ITV and Setanta worth £425million has only just been signed and lasts until 2012.

Here is the difference between the two teams the men's £150,000 would easily be paid for by the money uefa give to the country for qualification.

[carlyluvsunited]

Jon I do see your side for this argument but I was just happy reddwarf saw my side too....

I was trying to make a case for investing in sports development for youngsters and the seniors to make future champions !!

Of course this is no good to do this from a business sense because they generate no cash.......but it is good for a nation to have champions - I see Lewis Hamilton do well......and people talk about him and are happy he does well for his country....

Many times I hear about UK people waiting till late in the night to watch someone win an Olympic Gold medal too......

It's good for national morale and pride - maybe they dont generate the cash but who cares ?

I think what AC9 mentioned is best !!

Give the England guys expense money - and reward winning only !!!

Then only those who really care will play.....

Those that have pride and are willing to play for nothing will win a lot more than the money grabbers trust me !!

[RichardsReds]

Englands mens should only get paid for the expenses of playing, going to the games. If that.

[danfelixbuffy]

The biatches were lucky to get that!

I jest, £60 and their BFH would be more acceptable.

[carlyluvsunited]

The biatches were lucky to get that!

I jest, £60 and their BFH would be more acceptable.

Quality post :rolleyes:

Englands mens should only get paid for the expenses of playing, going to the games. If that.Thats what I said - and then a huge, huge bonus if they actually wion anything !!

Always struck me to be odd rewarding failure :eek:

Hardly an incentive is it ?

[Keano4taoiseach]

Quality post :rolleyes:

Thats what I said - and then a huge, huge bonus if they actually wion anything !!

Always struck me to be odd rewarding failure :eek:

Hardly an incentive is it ?



and people frown about my posting......lmao carly...


They should be honoured just to be representing their country and it's not as if they need the money.....

If anything it is the women players who should get some money for expenses....
as they don't make anywhere near as much as the male players week in week out...