Fergie 'v' FCUM

[carlyluvsunited]

A story from The Mirror

Here you go:

Sir Alex Ferguson is notoriously narked by mentions of Manchester United
breakaway club FC United.........

So much so that he dismissively called them 'United FC' during a recent rant.

So expect sparks to fly next week when Fergie appears at a conference titled 'The
Future Of Football'... and shares the bill with FC's top dog Andy Walsh.

* Ferguson is on the afternoon and Walsh is due on in the morning.

Go get them Fergie, lmao.........:D

[Keano4taoiseach]

I have to admit that I'm not that familiar with the F.C. United debacle....

Are they a group who broke away from Manchester United and cut all connections with the club after it was taken over by the Glazers.....???

Are they a football team.....???

Anyone got any information..I would be greatful...

[red_dec7]

last time i said my views on fc i got shouted at so ill leave this alone :D

[Keano4taoiseach]

last time i said my views on fc i got shouted at so ill leave this alone :D


no don't...please let me hear your views..this is a forum afterall mate....

[carlyluvsunited]

last time i said my views on fc i got shouted at so ill leave this alone :DYou can say what you like here young man........within the rules.

If others dont like it they have to live with it.....

If you have an opinion we like to hear it of course......

I upset loads of people but we all survive, lol....no big deal - it's only a forum :)

[SALFORD RED]

Hmmmmm ! Where to start ?? There is so much wrong in that, although the words " A story from the daily mirror " should give everyone the answer.

A story is exactly that.....something made up by someone and not factual.

Sports Minister Gerry Sutcliffe demanded intervention to halt the spiralling cost of Premier League tickets.

Sutcliffe, a United fan, hit the headlines last month, and irked Sir Alex Ferguson when he condemned the cost of admission to Old Trafford and claimed many lifelong fans were being priced out.

Ferguson responded by telling Sutcliffe to go and watch FC United, the Unibond League outfit set up by disgruntled Reds fans in protest both at Malcolm Glazer's controversial takeover and increasing prices.

Sir Alex Ferguson is not notoriously narked by mentions of Manchester United
breakaway club FC United.........as SAF was the one who mentioned them.



Anyone wanting information on FC United, just send a PM and i will provide what you ask for.

K4, a good place to start for you mate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_United

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[red_dec7]

well i think not all of them but alot of them are glory hunters some alot of there fans love fc wich is fine but wat i have a problem with is that when did fc start wen united werent doin that well they went 2 a team were they were in a legaue they shudnt of started off in an were goin to dominate an now wen man utd start winning again there gate attendance has dropped so thats my promblem with them

[SALFORD RED]

well i think not all of them but alot of them are glory hunters some alot of there fans love fc wich is fine but wat i have a problem with is that when did fc start wen united werent doin that well they went 2 a team were they were in a legaue they shudnt of started off in an were goin to dominate an now wen man utd start winning again there gate attendance has dropped so thats my promblem with them
You're entitled to your opinion mate but you couldn't be further from the truth if you tried.

The glory hunters you refer to are long standing reds of 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 years supporting United. Were there through all the years of no trophies, the time spent in the old second division and it had nothing to do with United not doing very well that they formed FC United.
They didn't go to a team either, they went out and created one.

Why shouldn't FC Unted be in the league they started in ?
They formed a team, asked the FA to join the league and were accepted and put in there.

It's not just FC United whos attendance figures have dropped, most clubs throughout the country are seeing the same, including Manchester United ( yes have a check ).

Have a look at the wikipedia link i posted maybe you'll see some information that might help you understand a bit better.
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[carlyluvsunited]

well i think not all of them but alot of them are glory hunters some alot of there fans love fc wich is fine but wat i have a problem with is that when did fc start wen united werent doin that well they went 2 a team were they were in a legaue they shudnt of started off in an were goin to dominate an now wen man utd start winning again there gate attendance has dropped so thats my promblem with themI saw these points actually - on the Guardian comments section or somewhere.....

There attendances did make a big, big drop when the title was returning to Old Trafford !

And what do the FC United people say to this......

They claim to be a 'community' club.......

And play in Bury !

Why not go to Trafford FC......right on the door step of Old Trafford in the middle of thier community !

And help to support their community and a club that could do with some support ?

Not my question I admit - I saw this somewhere else - I just wandered if others had views on this....Sal actually as he is the one who deals with FC United.....

FCUM seem to have 50% good publicity........50% bad publicity........

I also heard they have fan trouble too......bit of fighting etc etc.....true or not ?

[SALFORD RED]

I saw these points actually - on the Guardian comments section or somewhere.....

There attendances did make a big, big drop when the title was returning to Old Trafford !

And what do the FC United people say to this......

They claim to be a 'community' club.......

And play in Bury !

Why not go to Trafford FC......right on the door step of Old Trafford in the middle of thier community !

And help to support their community and a club that could do with some support ?

Not my question I admit - I saw this somewhere else - I just wandered if others had views on this....Sal actually as he is the one who deals with FC United.....

FCUM seem to have 50% good publicity........50% bad publicity........

I also heard they have fan trouble too......bit of fighting etc etc.....true or not ?

Will try to answer all your points but not got exact fugures at hand so will give you what i can

Attendaces down 8% on the first season, this is due to two things, people moving away and the fact FCUM had 2 kids free entrance games, 1 students free entrance games and the last game of the season where FCUM recieved the cups etc was a kids free entrance day which attracted a crowd of over 6,000. Which all boosted FCUMs attendance figures for that season.
None of those has happened this season so figures will obviously be lower.

FCUM is a community club, is the area of Bury not a community ?
Not only do they help comunities in Bury, but also Trafford, Salford, Prestwich, Manchester, Stockort, Tameside, Bolton, and just about every area of Greaer Manchester as well. They also Support, sponsor and send funds to The Bhopal Medical Appeal and the Sambhavna Trust, and also The Geoerge Best Foundation.
So how much more of a comminity club can you want ?

How is Trafford FC in the middle of thier community ? As fans come from communities all over the Greater Manchester area, England and other parts of the world just like at Manchester United. So there is no help to support their community and a club that could do with some support as there is no THEIR COMMUNITY or CLUB to support.

As for taking over and supporting any other club ( not just Trafford FC, they had offers from a few clubs and after consideration and members vote..refused them all), do you really think ANY clubs fans would appreciate being taken over by another set of fans, a club that none of FCUM supporters would have any affiliation to, no knowledge of said clubs history, no relationship with said club whatsoever, and more importantly doing one of the main reasons that started FCUM in the first place. The take over of a club.

50% good publicity........50% bad publicity.... no such thing as bad publicity it's all publicity, think pop stars/movie stars. Media attention gets FCUM noticed to a wider audience. In fact SAFs comments on international news programmes and world wide newspapers resulted in the FCUM websites getting more hits and more people joining FCUM forums, people who had never heard of FCUM, well they have now.

Trouble at games ?? Home matches, i think ( dont quote but can find out exactly if you wish ) 4 arrests ( none for fighting ) in two and a half seasons. Away games ther's been certain eliments from areas FCUM have played in that came out the woodwork of the areas, like Stoke mob turned up at a Newcastle Town game, scousers/Merseyside, and Leeds/Yorkshire areas. I only know of 3 FCUM fans arrested at away games, again none for fighting.
You'll find FCUM games are attended by older men, family men, women, children, babies in pushchairs, disabled and blind fans, so not quite the hooligan crowd some people make them out to be.
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[carlyluvsunited]

Thats the FCUM agenda though......

I didn't mean for them to barge in through the front door and say "OK we take
over now"....

I mean go and support another local team - within the community of Manchester
United area without all the hype and clap trap about "We hate Glazer - We are
from United.........blah, blah, blah"

They use the name of United and The Glazers to generate publicity !

They still cling to the coat tails of United because letting go would leave them as
just another Unibond Non-League club......

.......and they don't want that - they are too used to the fame and fortune !!!

With this 'fame' they have raised lots of money !!

So they have an unfair disadvantage in the league they now play in - they
just 'bully' teams out the way 5-0......6-0.....8-0......more glory - but all from the
use of Uniteds name !!

Clubs like Trafford Park.....very close to United ground I assume......have been in
existence for such a long time - struggling by as an amateur team......they were
more deserving of the support from these guys........but FCUM chose the 'glory'
trail !!

They pay Bury 5,000 pounds a WEEK to use their ground !!!

Absolutely outrageous !!

Think of what good that could have done to a non-league club who actually
deserve the money to reward them for their years of struggle !!

I'm sorry but I'm entitled to an opinion as everyone else is - but for me this smells
very strongly of narcissism and self indulgence.......

When they move up a couple of leagues and the novelty has worn off......the
crowds shrink a bit.......the games become a 'challenge' instead of a walk
over........things will be oh so different and as has already happened they will all
come crawling back to Old Trafford expecting to be hailed as 'Heroes' of some
description..........

AG was given a hard time the other night for declaring.......

"I am Israeli born but I support Russia for this game........."

Well for FCUM read:

"I support Manchester United but for now I'll support FCUM".....

Traitors !!!

They have all made thier choices......and the choice was FCUM.......now it's time
they let go of United's coat tails and made a go of it alone......if they can !!

[SALFORD RED]

If any of the points you raised were actually you " own opinions " instead of copy and paste jobs from elsewhere i would bother to answer some of them. But seeing as exactly the same words have been answered, over the last two and a half years, by others, i'll save my energy.

If by me going to United but not paying one penny at Old Trafford makes me, along with lots of others traitors, then so be it.
Or if the fans priced out of going to see United, but can afford FCUM, are classed as traitors, so be it.
If fans that have just had enough of the way ordinary fans are treated and stood up and said " No more " are classed as traitors, then so be it.
If fans not going to OT watch every game on TV, but go and watch another team ( yes including hundreds of clubs formed by fans ) are classed as traitors, then so be it. That would include 99% of Manchester Uniteds fan base as well.
If fans that support two clubs are now traitors, then so be it. But then include nearly everyone on here and every other forum, because just about everyone supports two teams, so they are all traitors.
Including yourself who has now become an Ebbsfleet United supporter recently.

If by being a United supporter for over 40 years, still going to just about every home game and most aways ( work permitting )but also admire and support the idea of FCUM makes someone a traitor in your opinion,then so be it.


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[rydersonthestorm]

Your a proud united fan, i am not a fully for fc united as i think they are bad for smaller teams in the area but i can understand why they where formed and the points behind the fans doing what they have done.

[carlyluvsunited]

If any of the points you raised were actually you " own
opinions " instead of copy and paste jobs from elsewhere i would bother to
answer some of them. But seeing as exactly the same words have been
answered, over the last two and a half years, by others, i'll same my energy.
If by me going to United but not paying one penny at Old Trafford makes me,
along with lots of others traitors, then so be it.
Or if the fans priced out of going to see United, but can afford FCUM, are classed
as traitors, so be it.
If fans that have just had enough of the way ordinary fans are treated and stood
up and said " No more " are classed as traitors, then so be it.
If fans not going to OT watch every game on TV, but go and watch another team
( yes including hundreds of clubs formed by fans ) are classed as traitors, then so
be it. That would include 99% of Manchester Uniteds fan base as well.
If fans that support two clubs are now traitors, then so be it. But then include
nearly everyone on here and every other forum, because just about everyone
supports two teams, so they are all traitors.
Including yourself who has now become an Ebbsfleet United supporter recently.
If by being a United supporter for over 40 years, still going to just about every
home game and most aways ( work permitting )but also admire and support the
idea of FCUM makes me a traitor in your opinion,then so be it.


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This is what bothers me with FCUM......in all debates I have read involving their
fans they have a nasty habit of edging around things......highlighting the parts
they like and cowering away from te bits that are a bit awkward !!

Your answer here - which I appreciate by the way and is well written merely
answers the questions and points raised by 'Red Dec7'......again !!

I still struggle to come to terms with the FCUM rants about "We wont go there
and give our money to The Glazers no way" as they stomp off to make a new
club......but still they attend matches you tell me :eek:

By doing so they 'give money to The Glazers...........errrmmmmm........

Anyway.......nice double answer to Red Dec7 points - what about these though ?

Of course you dont have to answer I understand this.....I am just interested to
learn :)

Thats the FCUM agenda though......

I didn't mean for them to barge in through the front door and say "OK we take
over now"....

I mean go and support another local team - within the community of Manchester
United area without all the hype and clap trap about "We hate Glazer - We are
from United.........blah, blah, blah"

They use the name of United and The Glazers to generate publicity !

They still cling to the coat tails of United because letting go would leave them as
just another Unibond Non-League club......

.......and they don't want that - they are too used to the fame and fortune !!!

With this 'fame' they have raised lots of money !!

So they have an unfair disadvantage in the league they now play in - they
just 'bully' teams out the way 5-0......6-0.....8-0......more glory - but all from the
use of Uniteds name !!

Clubs like Trafford Park.....very close to United ground I assume......have been in
existence for such a long time - struggling by as an amateur team......they were
more deserving of the support from these guys........but FCUM chose the 'glory'
trail !!

They pay Bury 5,000 pounds a WEEK to use their ground !!!

Absolutely outrageous !!

Think of what good that could have done to a non-league club who actually
deserve the money to reward them for their years of struggle !!

I'm sorry but I'm entitled to an opinion as everyone else is - but for me this smells
very strongly of narcissism and self indulgence.......

When they move up a couple of leagues and the novelty has worn off......the
crowds shrink a bit.......the games become a 'challenge' instead of a walk
over........things will be oh so different and as has already happened they will all
come crawling back to Old Trafford expecting to be hailed as 'Heroes' of some
description..........

AG was given a hard time the other night for declaring.......

"I am Israeli born but I support Russia for this game........."

Well for FCUM read:

"I support Manchester United but for now I'll support FCUM".....

Traitors !!!

They have all made thier choices......and the choice was FCUM.......now it's time
they let go of United's coat tails and made a go of it alone......if they can !!

[reddwarf]

I think you're being a bit harsh on FC United supporters Carly.

I don't agree with what they did but I fully understand their reasons for setting up FC United. People like Glazer (and a number of other Premier League Club owners) have no real love for the club and, in some cases, football in general. They see the club as a business, which it is, but it is also so much more than that.

There are many United fans who still attend games because they love Manchester United but refuse to buy any merchandise or food at the stadium because they don't want to line the Glazers pockets with their money, which is fair enough - different people show their opinion on the Glazer takeover in different ways.

I have no interest in FC United. I never check their results or keep up-to-date on their latest news. However, I do respect the fact that their fans felt so strongly about the Glazer takeover that they decided to do something about it. It may seem too extreme to some, myself included, but fair play to them for having the courage of their convictions and doing it.

[carlyluvsunited]

Harsh ?

Thorough maybe but not harsh !!

I have doubts as to their reasons for doing what they did and I also have grave reservations as to how they went about doing their business !!

Maybe I find then answers maybe not......

If not I shall go and join thier site and ask them there.........

I'm sure they have nothing to hide......

Not too sure though, lol

[rydersonthestorm]

Sorry carly thats not really that thorough you haven't really mentioned anything to do with why fc united was formed, and i feel people who have supported the club all there lives some for over 30 or 40 years have every right to be upset that an a new owner is pricing them out of the games and putting united into a mass of debts.

[SALFORD RED]

Not even going to bother replying, just go back to where you copy/pasted the rubbish from and read the answers that are there, you've already seen the replies.

As for .....
I have doubts as to their reasons for doing what they did and I also have grave reservations as to how they went about doing their business !!

Maybe I find then answers maybe not......

If not I shall go and join thier site and ask them there.........

I'm sure they have nothing to hide......

Not too sure though,

I'd be interested to know what you are insinuating, especially the highlighted parts.

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[Keano4taoiseach]

At least we're not city fans, apart from the obvious reason, that Thaskin fellow is up to eyes in dirty money and corruption, and wanted for fraud charges in his own country.........
I personally don't think he should be allowed to spend his money in England if he is wanted for fraud investigation.....

[mickthered]

Thats the FCUM agenda though......

I didn't mean for them to barge in through the front door and say "OK we take
over now"....

I mean go and support another local team - within the community of Manchester
United area without all the hype and clap trap about "We hate Glazer - We are
from United.........blah, blah, blah"

They use the name of United and The Glazers to generate publicity !

They still cling to the coat tails of United because letting go would leave them as
just another Unibond Non-League club......

.......and they don't want that - they are too used to the fame and fortune !!!

With this 'fame' they have raised lots of money !!

So they have an unfair disadvantage in the league they now play in - they
just 'bully' teams out the way 5-0......6-0.....8-0......more glory - but all from the
use of Uniteds name !!

Clubs like Trafford Park.....very close to United ground I assume......have been in
existence for such a long time - struggling by as an amateur team......they were
more deserving of the support from these guys........but FCUM chose the 'glory'
trail !!

They pay Bury 5,000 pounds a WEEK to use their ground !!!

Absolutely outrageous !!

Think of what good that could have done to a non-league club who actually
deserve the money to reward them for their years of struggle !!

I'm sorry but I'm entitled to an opinion as everyone else is - but for me this smells
very strongly of narcissism and self indulgence.......

When they move up a couple of leagues and the novelty has worn off......the
crowds shrink a bit.......the games become a 'challenge' instead of a walk
over........things will be oh so different and as has already happened they will all
come crawling back to Old Trafford expecting to be hailed as 'Heroes' of some
description..........

AG was given a hard time the other night for declaring.......

"I am Israeli born but I support Russia for this game........."

Well for FCUM read:

"I support Manchester United but for now I'll support FCUM".....

Traitors !!!

They have all made thier choices......and the choice was FCUM.......now it's time
they let go of United's coat tails and made a go of it alone......if they can !!


carlyluvsunited obviously has not got a clue about FC United and looks like someone has been going through other forums to try and find arguments just to have a go at FC
Just a pity she did not care to have a look at the answers and replies as there are many forums where she got her questions from that also have the answers

I mean go and support another local team - within the community of Manchester
United area without all the hype and clap trap about "We hate Glazer - We are
from United.........blah, blah, blah"

Im sure some other teams fans would be happy had a few thousand United fans just turned up with no affiliation to the club and just taken over
maybe carlyluvsunited does not understand what the word protest means
I know Lets form a protest club and not tell anyone about it


Clubs like Trafford Park.....very close to United ground I assume......have been in
existence for such a long time - struggling by as an amateur team......they were
more deserving of the support from these guys........but FCUM chose the 'glory'
trail !!

Choose the glory trail Watching United winning leagues and European cups etc then watching Non league Yes that really is the glory trail

Trafford Park Learn to use Google a bit better I think you will find out the the club is Trafford FC who play in the NWCFL and are not struggling and have also done very well out of their games against FC including frendly games


They pay Bury 5,000 pounds a WEEK to use their ground !!!

Absolutely outrageous !!

May be we should ask Glazer if we can pay at OT for free
Its wrong that non league clubs dont get the money and its wrong That Bury do get some money make your mind up

When they move up a couple of leagues and the novelty has worn off......the
crowds shrink a bit.......the games become a 'challenge' instead of a walk
over........things will be oh so different and as has already happened they will all
come crawling back to Old Trafford expecting to be hailed as 'Heroes' of some
description..........

Some will crawl back but I would imagine that as the ST costs go up and and the club takes the **** with ACS etc Im sure others will also be going the other way

If carlyluvsunited wants to try and take the **** out out of many time served reds who have been going to OT for decades and watched the ***** football home and away week in week out in the 70s and 80s and who have now been priced out then thats her opinion

People that have watched United for years through thick and thin priced out then called a traitor by some post 96 footie fan JCL

Same old argument all the time it seems that its ok to watch United and any other team as long as its not FC United

Now I wonder where all this has come from as it seems almost word for word that others with their own agenda have used

Or maybe as a Romanian living in South Wales carlyluvsunited should have taken some of her own advice
After all I hear Barry Town are struggling

[carlyluvsunited]

carlyluvsunited obviously has not got a clue about FC United and looks like someone has been going through other forums to try and find arguments just to have a go at FC
Just a pity she did not care to have a look at the answers and replies as there are many forums where she got her questions from that also have the answers

Not at all - my questions were raised by ME - and because they are a bit different the FCUM people are finding it hard to reach a proper answer........as it is them who have become used to the 'normal' questions but get confused when something different comes up.



Im sure some other teams fans would be happy had a few thousand United fans just turned up with no affiliation to the club and just taken over
maybe carlyluvsunited does not understand what the word protest means
I know Lets form a protest club and not tell anyone about it

As I said before - and will say again as you too completely missed it........Why turn up and 'take over' as you put it ? You don't like United any more - so go and support someone else who you do like.....'taking over' should be the last thing they think of......but always seem to mention.......illusions of grandeur....."We are better than you" etc etc etc.....Have your protest and leave.......easy

Learn to use Google a bit better I think you will find out the the club is Trafford FC who play in the NWCFL and are not struggling and have also done very well out of their games against FC including frendly games

If I had used Google I would have remembered the name of Trafford FC wouldn't I ? Yes I would so thats the end of that accusation......

May be we should ask Glazer if we can pay at OT for free
Its wrong that non league clubs dont get the money and its wrong That Bury do get some money make your mind up

Make my mind up ? Why ? They should have shared a ground with a non-league team to help them out - a ground befitting the size and relelvance of FCUM rather than the extravagance of sharing a ground far too big for them - this would help the smaller club out - the club who 'needs' the money........or maybe this is below them and wouldn't put them in the lime light so much !!


Some will crawl back but I would imagine that as the ST costs go up and and the club takes the **** with ACS etc Im sure others will also be going the other way

If carlyluvsunited wants to try and take the **** out out of many time served reds who have been going to OT for decades and watched the ***** football home and away week in week out in the 70s and 80s and who have now been priced out then thats her opinion

Of all the 22 Premier League teams United's tickets come 10th in the list of prices......you get to see the best of the best cheaper than half the other leagues teams charge !!! Seems good to me - after all you cant buy a Rolls for the price of an Escort.......or caviar for the price of a fish cake........but you see United play for less than the price of Reading, Spurs and Middlesborough !!! Bargain !!!

People that have watched United for years through thick and thin priced out then called a traitor by some post 96 footie fan JCL

So anyone who is not pre-96 doesn't count then ? Sounds familiar !

Same old argument all the time it seems that its ok to watch United and any other team as long as its not FC United

Now I wonder where all this has come from as it seems almost word for word that others with their own agenda have used

From my head

Or maybe as a Romanian living in South Wales carlyluvsunited should have taken some of her own advice
After all I hear Barry Town are struggling


Lovely points and blah, blah, blah but AGAIN......no answers to my questions :eek:

[Keano4taoiseach]

I admit that I am by no means an expert on FCUM....

I have seen a lot of good arguments put across but I keep coming back to the same conclusion..
Does FCUM not contradict the unwritten rule of a supporter, which is, stick with the club through thick and thin, good times and bad..
I live in the west of Ireland, and am sixteen, so I don't get to travel to many United matches, maybe one a year.
I can understand fans complaining about ticket prices but it is the same at the other top clubs, worse at Arsenal.
I know the Glazers have no reputation as a football family and at first I was weary but they seem to keep behind the scenes and the club is running really well at the moment..
In the end when you are a up in the stands cheering on the team with the other 75000 supporters you're not thinking of the Glazers, your thinking about the team, the players and the result!
I know that many fans have been priced out but afterall. in the words of Ian the tourguide at OT, "Manchester United is no loger a football club, It's a business".
I must admit I felt a sudden sick feeling in my gut but when I went to the match the next day with my dad and brother we cheered like crazy from start to finish and the Glazers or the price of tickets didn't enter our minds at all......
......However that is not to say I don't feel for the supporters who have gone to nearly every match over the last twenty or thirty years and who are now being priced out..That really is disgraceful but such is life in this day and age.....

[carlyluvsunited]

I admit that I am by no means an expert on FCUM....

I have seen a lot of good arguments put across but I keep coming back to the same conclusion..
Does FCUM not contradict the unwritten rule of a supporter, which is, stick with the club through thick and thin, good times and bad..
I live in the west of Ireland, and am sixteen, so I don't get to travel to many United matches, maybe one a year.
I can understand fans complaining about ticket prices but it is the same at the other top clubs, worse at Arsenal.
I know the Glazers have no reputation as a football family and at first I was weary but they seem to keep behind the scenes and the club is running really well at the moment..
In the end when you are a up in the stands cheering on the team with the other 75000 supporters you're not thinking of the Glazers, your thinking about the team, the players and the result!
I know that many fans have been priced out but afterall. in the words of Ian the tourguide at OT, "Manchester United is no loger a football club, It's a business".
I must admit I felt a sudden sick feeling in my gut but when I went to the match the next day with my dad and brother we cheered like crazy from start to finish and the Glazers or the price of tickets didn't enter our minds at all......
......However that is not to say I don't feel for the supporters who have gone to nearly every match over the last twenty or thirty years and who are now being priced out..That really is disgraceful but such is life in this day and age.....
HEAR HEAR !!!

Well said Mr Bertie !!

Not much Glazer bashing when United won the league for the 16th time.....

Or when Nani, Anderson, Hargreaves and Tevez turned up was there ?

Selective complaints seems to be the order of the day !!!

[mickthered]

Lovely points and blah, blah, blah but AGAIN......no answers to my questions :eek:


Not at all - my questions were raised by ME - and because they are a bit different the FCUM people are finding it hard to reach a proper answer........as it is them who have become used to the 'normal' questions but get confused when something different comes up.

Try coming up with something new instead of asking the same old questions then all the answers are there if you could be bothered to look for them without the usual **** stirring the questions are no different


Make my mind up ? Why ? They should have shared a ground with a non-league team to help them out - a ground befitting the size and relelvance of FCUM rather than the extravagance of sharing a ground far too big for them - this would help the smaller club out - the club who 'needs' the money........or maybe this is below them and wouldn't put them in the lime light so much !!

Are you going to name some of these clubs that FC should groundshare with then
May be Bury need the money or do they not count because they are not in the Premier league

So United are cheaper then some other clubs so that makes it all right then to charge what they do and force the ACS on to people


So anyone who is not pre-96 doesn't count then

Did I say that I know plenty of people that are post 96 fans and have no problem with them apart from the small percentage that are only there because they think its fashionable

You don't like United any more

Who do you think you are mystic meg
Who are you to say who does and who does not like United anymore

That last quote shows that you know nothing about FC in any way and are just jumping on the bandwagon of having ago just because you think its fashionable

The answers are out there it just seems that you want to ignore the answers because yo don't like them

[Keano4taoiseach]

The answers are out there it just seems that you want to ignore the answers because yo don't like them


Why don't you give us the answers or your opinion on what FCUM is, stands for now instead of contradicting everything carly says....;)

Also, I am interested to hear your views on my theory on the whole FCUM debacle....??

[SALFORD RED]

Lovely points and blah, blah, blah but AGAIN......no answers to my questions :eek:

Carly all the points you raised have been answered, not just by myself but also by someone else i now see. But you just keep refusing to see the replies.
You keep saying no answers to your questions when you yourself refuse to answer any valid questions put to you.

More to the point, seeing as you want to be clever....most of your points are copy/paste jobs that others have asked as they are phrased and quoted word for word exactly how many others have seen before.



A bigger point is....where is there any QUESTION at all in your post that you want an answer to ?
A question begins with, who, what, where, why, when etc. and the sentence ends with a question mark. I for one cannot see any questions, just general accusations, statements and assumptions.
I cannot see any of that in your post below. Can anyone else ??


Thats the FCUM agenda though......

I didn't mean for them to barge in through the front door and say "OK we take
over now"....

I mean go and support another local team - within the community of Manchester
United area without all the hype and clap trap about "We hate Glazer - We are
from United.........blah, blah, blah"

They use the name of United and The Glazers to generate publicity !

They still cling to the coat tails of United because letting go would leave them as
just another Unibond Non-League club......

.......and they don't want that - they are too used to the fame and fortune !!!

With this 'fame' they have raised lots of money !!

So they have an unfair disadvantage in the league they now play in - they
just 'bully' teams out the way 5-0......6-0.....8-0......more glory - but all from the
use of Uniteds name !!

Clubs like Trafford Park.....very close to United ground I assume......have been in
existence for such a long time - struggling by as an amateur team......they were
more deserving of the support from these guys........but FCUM chose the 'glory'
trail !!

They pay Bury 5,000 pounds a WEEK to use their ground !!!

Absolutely outrageous !!

Think of what good that could have done to a non-league club who actually
deserve the money to reward them for their years of struggle !!

I'm sorry but I'm entitled to an opinion as everyone else is - but for me this smells
very strongly of narcissism and self indulgence.......

When they move up a couple of leagues and the novelty has worn off......the
crowds shrink a bit.......the games become a 'challenge' instead of a walk
over........things will be oh so different and as has already happened they will all
come crawling back to Old Trafford expecting to be hailed as 'Heroes' of some
description..........

AG was given a hard time the other night for declaring.......

"I am Israeli born but I support Russia for this game........."

Well for FCUM read:

"I support Manchester United but for now I'll support FCUM".....

Traitors !!!

They have all made thier choices......and the choice was FCUM.......now it's time
they let go of United's coat tails and made a go of it alone......if they can !!

That's my last word on the matter, i'm not rising to your childish bait no more, if others wish to that's up to them, you can carry on showing yourself to be very intelligent and keep posting the childish blah, blah, blah that you always reply when you have nothing sensible to say.
.

[carlyluvsunited]

By the way.....

Hi Mick....

Nice to meet you.....

We haven't spoken before :)

Welcome.....

Glad we got someone here who likes to have a bit of debating.....

Try coming up with something new instead of asking the same old questions then all the answers are there if you could be bothered to look for them without the usual **** stirring the questions are no different

Are you going to name some of these clubs that FC should groundshare with then
May be Bury need the money or do they not count because they are not in the Premier league

Well....

FCUM do make a lot of noise about being a 'community' club.....and the fact Trafford whatever they're calles is right on the door step of Old Trafford it would have been nice to join them - and spread some happiness around the 'community' of Old Trafford - rather than going all the way to Bury !! Just an idea though. I think this club is a lot smaller than Bury and would have welcomed the cash and support a lot more than Bury - dont you agree ?

So United are cheaper then some other clubs so that makes it all right then to charge what they do and force the ACS on to people

Well I notice in life that if you want the best - you must pay the highest prices - but United don't charge the higher prices - so it's still a good balance - business is business - you cant expect United to bring the best playersand win the most trophies done on 1999 ticket prices can you ?

Did I say that I know plenty of people that are post 96 fans and have no problem with them apart from the small percentage that are only there because they think its fashionable

It's the way you accused me of being a post 96 fan !! I an't help being as young as I am sorry

Who do you think you are mystic meg
Who are you to say who does and who does not like United anymore

No....Mystic Carly.......

I don't say who does or doesn't like United any more - they made their own decisions - and went away - not my doing

That last quote shows that you know nothing about FC in any way and are just jumping on the bandwagon of having ago just because you think its fashionable

You're right - I do know very little - this is why I ask - dont mind do you :)

The answers are out there it just seems that you want to ignore the answers because yo don't like them

[carlyluvsunited]

That's my last word on the matter

OK......

[mickthered]

Why don't you give us the answers or your opinion on what FCUM is, stands for now instead of contradicting everything carly says....;)

Also, I am interested to hear your views on my theory on the whole FCUM debacle....??


May be when she stops telling others who they do and dont like without even knowing anything about them and the fact as others have said her questions are as good as copy and paste from plenty of other forums

My theory on FC well what do you want only problem ask different people and you will get different answers

As someone who watched United through the Good and the bad Started going mid to late 60s with my dad reached the age of seven then started going on my own or with groups of mates from the age of ten the odd away then from fourteen regular aways

Watching United to me was always something that was done week in week out home and away not just a case of one or two games a season that some people are happy with

Out of work now due to ill health and can not afford the prices at OT and the fact that I also want to take my kids to regular football So I take them to watch FC
When they get older if they want to watch United then thats up to them
At least they get to watch regular football home and away and if United are on tv before or after a game then watch that as well (Two for the price of one)

Although saying that I dont think I would pay the prices that are charged now and I think its a rip off Not just at United but all premier football
The likes of Glazer using fans just to line his own pocket
Sick of the sanitised game being told to sit down lack of atmosphere dirty looks from fans if you try to start singing stupid o'clock KOs etc

FC may not be everyones cup of tea and I have no problem with that your choice do what you want
Just because some refuse to pay Glazer a penny does not mean they hate United just Glazer
Maybe someone like carly should learn to work out the difference in the two
Try telling most of the people in the pubs watching and shouting for United before or after an FC game, that they dont like United or they are traitors because many of them have been priced out

Hopefully as long as FC are out there they wont just be a thorn in the Glazers side but also a thorn in side for the likes of the rest of the premier league that they cant just rip of the fans as they like
But I supose all that just means I'm a traitor

[Keano4taoiseach]

May be when she stops telling others who they do and dont like without even knowing anything about them and the fact as others have said her questions are as good as copy and paste from plenty of other forums

My theory on FC well what do you want only problem ask different people and you will get different answers

As someone who watched United through the Good and the bad Started going mid to late 60s with my dad reached the age of seven then started going on my own or with groups of mates from the age of ten the odd away then from fourteen regular aways

Watching United to me was always something that was done week in week out home and away not just a case of one or two games a season that some people are happy with
Out of work now due to ill health and can not afford the prices at OT and the fact that I also want to take my kids to regular football So I take them to watch FC
When they get older if they want to watch United then thats up to them
At least they get to watch regular football home and away and if United are on tv before or after a game then watch that as well (Two for the price of one)

Although saying that I dont think I would pay the prices that are charged now and I think its a rip off Not just at United but all premier football
The likes of Glazer using fans just to line his own pocket
Sick of the sanitised game being told to sit down lack of atmosphere dirty looks from fans if you try to start singing stupid o'clock KOs etc

FC may not be everyones cup of tea and I have no problem with that your choice do what you want
Just because some refuse to pay Glazer a penny does not mean they hate United just Glazer
Maybe someone like carly should learn to work out the difference in the two
Try telling most of the people in the pubs watching and shouting for United before or after an FC game, that they dont like United or they are traitors because many of them have been priced out

Hopefully as long as FC are out there they wont just be a thorn in the Glazers side but also a thorn in side for the likes of the rest of the premier league that they cant just rip of the fans as they like
But I supose all that just means I'm a traitor


Man Utds fanbase extends all around the world and it is not possible for many fans to go to every match....
The world we live in sadly revolves around money whether you like or not.
Ticket prices are just part and parcel of the modern game just like the players wages, and to quote you sports minister, their "obscene" wages...
The Glazers own United, and that's all there is to it...
As I said earlier it is supporters like yourself who use to travel to nearly all the United games who have been affected the most by th takeover and rise in ticket prices as fans who only go to a few matches a year, the occasion overshadows the price..
However, being a fan is more than just about going to all the matches.
Some of the most die-hard fans only go to one or two matches a year but still love the club and will always have a place for it in their heart...

.......The post you have just typed has explained more to me about FCUM and the reasons behind more than anything else you have posted in this thread to be honest...
However I cannot understand how after supporting the club since the 60's you can just up and leave just like that because the club got taken over...

Do you still support Man United mick or have you broken off all connections with the club.....because if you have stopped supporting Man Utd completely..then as I understand it, the last 40 or years of your life supporting Man United have been a waste of time, especially travelling to all of the matches because I cannot see how after all of that devotion you could just suddenly up and leave and forget about the club....

[rydersonthestorm]

http://www.fc-utd.co.uk/

[mickthered]

By the way.....

Hi Mick....

Nice to meet you.....

We haven't spoken before :)

Welcome.....

Glad we got someone here who likes to have a bit of debating.....

FCUM do make a lot of noise about being a 'community' club.....and the fact Trafford whatever they're calles is right on the door step of Old Trafford it would have been nice to join them - and spread some happiness around the 'community' of Old Trafford - rather than going all the way to Bury !! Just an idea though. I think this club is a lot smaller than Bury and would have welcomed the cash and support a lot more than Bury - dont you agree ?

There is a difference in being a community club and being a charity due to the good ties between both clubs trafford have done well playing against FC and have also played acouple of frendly games against them to thank them for their help in the past
Somehow I think the police and the trafford council would have had something to say about FC playing so close to OT and also the ground not being big enough the main reason why games against FC and trafford were never played at Traffords ground

As for playing at Gigg is it not a bit condescending to say we should not be playing there because of the size of the crowds
Whats next Bury shouldn't be playing there as well as they have almost the same size crowd as FC

If you had took the time to look into things you would have found out that Gigg lane was the last resort fo FC after almost every other non league ground was looked into and was knocked back by the police or local council
Bury was the only option in the end they knew that and had FC over a barrel with a three year contract
If it was possible to play at a smaller ground and at a cheaper price 99% of FC fans would be happy with that so as to use that a a stick to try and beat the club with is a little unfair

I don't say who does or doesn't like United any more - they made their own decisions - and went away - not my doing

Yes you did Just because some have "Gone away" as you say why would that mean they don't like United
So the many millions of United fans around the world who only watch United on tv are not United fans then
If you can work out the difference that hating Glazer does not mean you have to hate United as the stickers go Love united hate glazer
You may hopefully have a little more understanding of FC

Man Utds fanbase extends all around the world and it is not possible for many fans to go to every match....
The world we live in sadly revolves around money whether you like or not.
Ticket prices are just part and parcel of the modern game just like the players wages, and to quote you sports minister, their "obscene" wages...
The Glazers own United, and that's all there is to it...
As I said earlier it is supporters like yourself who use to travel to nearly all the United games who have been affected the most by th takeover and rise in ticket prices as fans who only go to a few matches a year, the occasion overshadows the price..
However, being a fan is more than just about going to all the matches.
Some of the most die-hard fans only go to one or two matches a year but still love the club and will always have a place for it in their heart...

.......The post you have just typed has explained more to me about FCUM and the reasons behind more than anything else you have posted in this thread to be honest...
However I cannot understand how after supporting the club since the 60's you can just up and leave just like that because the club got taken over...

Do you still support Man United mick or have you broken off all connections with the club.....because if you have stopped supporting Man Utd completely..then as I understand it, the last 40 or years of your life supporting Man United have been a waste of time, especially travelling to all of the matches because I cannot see how after all of that devotion you could just suddenly up and leave and forget about the club....

Its not easy
Still class myself as A United fan still happy if they win and still get ****ed off if they loose
Just like many other millions of United fans around the world and just watch them on TV
Just got fed up with high costs the way fans are treated And the likes of Glazer using fans just to try and line his pocket

I enjoy the freedom of watching FC live and United on tv two for the price of one and the best of both worlds

[Red Devil]

The arguement about the two teams will always drag on and there will always be three camps involved.

1. Manchester United though and though, others do not exist.

2. FC United and their fans, breakaway team and fans who are going their own way.

3. People, like me, who will always support MUFC whatever our position but do not hold anything against FCUM and, in fact, hope they do well. TWO red teams in Manchester will really do the blues heads in - lovely!!

Its a fact that FCUM exist, and are doing very well - good luck to them but this is a continuous arguement that is going in circles and has no end.

[carlyluvsunited]

What a discussion huh :confused:

All good stuff......

Here's something though......

Love them or hate them.....

Believe them or not......

This is pretty impressive video here, lol......

Kind of backs up a lot of what Sal said actually.......

It goes on forever and ever the guys singing for FCUM here.....

There are little kids clapping and singing and dancing......

It is lovely to see these scenes here......

And I have a strange vision in my head here, lmao......

Check out the guy in the beige coloured coat that keeps being filmed.....

He seems to be the song leader out the front......

I have these strange vision of this being SAL :eek:

Sing Sal.....sing :p

The words they are singing.....

"We don't pay Glazer or work for Sky
We still sing 'City are gonna die'
Two United's but the soul is one
As the Busby Babes carry on"

Tpj3kFxYWNk

[SALFORD RED]

Cheers for posting that Carly, appreciate you taking the time to finds things out :)

Cannot see YouTube while working but from the song you posted i'm going to take a guess at the clip being from Maine Road v FCUM last season ( will be about 8 minutes long if so) att 4,000+, yes i was there and i've seen myself on that clip but it wont be me in the beige coat , LMAO, i've usually got a red and black coat. No-one really leads the singing everybody does it. You'll find a lot of the songs heard at FCUM games have double meanings sometimes, like this one.

I am an FC fan
I am Mancunian
I know what i want and i know how to get it
I wanna destroy
Glazer and sky
cos i
wanna be
an FC

Most would say it's saying they want to be FC United fans, but it's also having a dig about the words Football Club being taken from the badge and club name of Manchester United Football Club.

anyway here's a clip of the song and a couple of others ( also read some of the comments).
Wont post more as i'm not on here to promote, preach or convert anyone to FC United, just like to give facts to help people understand a bit better and maybe stop some of the myths going round.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=95Vns7WohBU I am an FC fan.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=05fno4frbF8 I am an FC fan again but from in the crowd at the same game at Halifax.

http://youtube.com/profile_videos?user=fcumpassion&p=r&page=2

and this one for the FC versions http://youtube.com/profile_videos?user=fcumpassion&p=r&page=3

[PrinceZane]

Just throwing my 2 cents out there...

I don't know anything about FC United, but after reading a few things I understand the general idea of who and what they are.

At any rate, what ever happened to the phrase "to each his own". No 2 people are alike, and therefore you can't have extremes in life when it comes to opinions - unless you want to single out one particular group of people (be it good or bad). There will always be someone that "doesn't care as much" or "is more devoted than", so why beat a dead horse about it?

Some people have made some good points here, but in the end, it's up to each and every one of us what our opinion is of the situation. You can argue facts and fictions until you're blue in the face, but at the end of the day, each people decides what their own opinion is and that's that. Yes, it's a good debate topic, but honestly it doesn't seem to be making progress - except maybe swaying opinions and bonds that we have within our forum family. I hate seeing a debate turn from the topic at hand, to turning personal. That's usually the sign that the debate is over :)

[andycole9]

Just throwing my 2 cents out there...

I don't know anything about FC United, but after reading a few things I understand the general idea of who and what they are.

At any rate, what ever happened to the phrase "to each his own". No 2 people are alike, and therefore you can't have extremes in life when it comes to opinions - unless you want to single out one particular group of people (be it good or bad). There will always be someone that "doesn't care as much" or "is more devoted than", so why beat a dead horse about it?

Some people have made some good points here, but in the end, it's up to each and every one of us what our opinion is of the situation. You can argue facts and fictions until you're blue in the face, but at the end of the day, each people decides what their own opinion is and that's that. Yes, it's a good debate topic, but honestly it doesn't seem to be making progress - except maybe swaying opinions and bonds that we have within our forum family. I hate seeing a debate turn from the topic at hand, to turning personal. That's usually the sign that the debate is over :)
wow!

i had visions of you typing that on your own in your room with the american national antham playing in the back ground on full blast.

[Keano4taoiseach]

wow!

i had visions of you typing that on your own in your room with the american national antham playing in the back ground on full blast.


:D .....this is why i live........

[red_dec7]

TWO red teams in Manchester will really do the blues heads in - lovely!!
not true coz i no city fans who go to watch them

[Red Devil]

not true coz i no city fans who go to watch them

Will be true in a few years when they reach the Premier League ;)

[carlyluvsunited]

Sal someone asks on youtube what is the words to the song.....

I know this bit.......

"Iam an FC fan
I am Mancunian
I know what I want
And I know how to get it...........



What are all the right words please ? :)

[PrinceZane]

wow!

i had visions of you typing that on your own in your room with the american national antham playing in the back ground on full blast.

Actually, it was Pendulum - Blood Sugar ;)

[SALFORD RED]

Sal someone asks on youtube what is the words to the song.....

I know this bit.......

"Iam an FC fan
I am Mancunian
I know what I want
And I know how to get it...........



What are all the right words please ? :)

I posted this on page 4 but you might have missed it....


I am an FC fan
I am Mancunian
I know what i want and i know how to get it
I wanna destroy
Glazer and sky
cos i
wanna be
an FC

Most would say it's saying they want to be FC United fans, but it's also having a dig about the words Football Club being taken from the badge and club name of Manchester United Football Club.
.

[carlyluvsunited]

Oh poooo sorry I did read this already.....:o

[red_dec7]

Will be true in a few years when they reach the Premier League
ull be waiting a long long time for that to happen

[Keano4taoiseach]

ull be waiting a long long time for that to happen

lol.....true....but optimistic thinking never did any harm......except for Scousers whines of "this is our year"......at the beginning of every season......:D

[Red Devil]

Actually, it was Pendulum - Blood Sugar ;) that must be a swingin' band ;)

[PrinceZane]

As long as it gets the adrenaline going and heart rate up, it's good for me :D

[Keano4taoiseach]

that must be a swingin' band ;)



did you mean to say that SAL and Mrs SAL are swingers......:eek: ....:D

[kingstreet]

I posted this on RI on 9/11/07 and it was my attempt to give a little perspective on my feelings over the last few years;-

I wish Ferguson had been openly hostile to the takeover, but I understand his position, as I do those who felt there was nothing wrong in continuing to go to OT. One of the reasons we have such division is because there is clearly no right or wrong in this!

I decided back at the end of 2003 that the Glazers were not right for United. Their questionable dealings, even with their own relatives were a little off-colour and then added to that the question of over £500m in debt was posed. During 2004 I came to the conclusion that I could not give money to the Glazers if they did take control. My choice alone. Not part of a grand boycotting scheme, just a simple feeling of something I needed to do.

When 12 May 2005 came around I cannot describe the sick feeling I felt when I heard the news. I went to the Chelsea game and stayed after a lot had left because Ole and Heinze were at the end of the players "lap of honour" and I knew it might be the last time I stood there for a good while.

When I left the ground, I expected to be leaving live football behind. FC came along and I decided I had nothing better to do and a load of other United fans seemed to have the same idea, so I got behind it. I liked the idea of something we could call ours, where no-one could come along and own it, or change it, or do things we didn't like.

I don't have great socialist principles, I have my own business and understand FC needs to cover its running costs and needs money to grow, particularly for its own ground. Some of the critics forget other clubs have a £30m head start on us because they own their own ground and the land it's built on. If we manage to stay shirt-sponsor free, I'll consider that worthwhile as long as we can afford a place of our own. Simply existing and having a home is enough for me. I don't want FC to clamber up the leagues towards the Premiership.

I often ask myself how I feel about United. What was it Churchill said about a riddle wrapped in an enigma? I don't watch United on TV. I jacked MUTV and Sky Sports back in 2005 and I don't go to pubs as I hardly drink now and have a youngster. I often listen to games on the radio and while I don't have the same intensity as I did, I still get a fierce rush of pride when United score, or I find out after a game that we've won. I watched the last ten minutes of Saturday's game and I felt bitter disappointment when we conceded the equaliser in stoppage time. I feel a bit like an outsider now, looking in. There may be an element of cutting off nose to spite face, but I feel comfortable with what I decided two years ago and now I'm like 99% of United fans, a non-matchgoing distant observer. I'm particularly disappointed at being branded a traitor, or a judas, but accept that if you see supporting United as following only the team on the field, anything else is treachery. Still, I hope one day we can all be United once again.

[carlyluvsunited]

Nice post Kingstreet.......

Very nice......

Made me feel a bit sad when I read your story too :(

I had the opinion that all FCUM fans were bloody judas and using United's name
to go off for some glory buzz before they creep back to Old Trafford in through
the back door when they get bored.

Even when people give me hard bloody times here stick to what I was
thinking.....I ask many questions of course and still hard times they give me.

But eventually I listen to what they say to me - I go to many places and read
peoples stories and this takes me now nearly 3 months to do.

I don't mind people giving me hard times here really because I am a girl in a mans
world really - so I make allowance for this.

Anyway - I make many investigations into this subject.....

And now I say I was wrong - I don't have any problems admitting this either. I
am a strong person and if I make errors I am big enough to own up.

Now I check to see how FCUM get on each week.......

I say very good luck to them......

You're not a Judas of course.......

And you say at the end of your post you hope tey can all be United once again...

As the song says.......

"Two United's
But the soul is one
As the Busby Babes carry on" :)

[kingstreet]

Carly, it's easy to see things only one way. Back in summer 2005 I couldn't understand how people could carry on going; how they could protest and stand up and speak out against the takeover then meekly wander in to watch the game. I guess we've all had to grow up a bit in the last two years - me included.

I'd like to think that in the longer term, youngsters from around Greater Manchester can start off watching the fans' team before moving on to OT to follow United when they can afford it. Believe me, they'll get an excellent education in the United matchday experience and it'll only cost them £2 per game with no credit card needed six weeks in advance!

[carlyluvsunited]

Carly, it's easy to see things only one way. Back in summer 2005 I couldn't understand how people could carry on going; how they could protest and stand up and speak out against the takeover then meekly wander in to watch the game. I guess we've all had to grow up a bit in the last two years - me included.

I'd like to think that in the longer term, youngsters from around Greater Manchester can start off watching the fans' team before moving on to OT to follow United when they can afford it. Believe me, they'll get an excellent education in the United matchday experience and it'll only cost them £2 per game with no credit card needed six weeks in advance!Sal (SALFORD RED) shows me videos of the FCUM games.

Very nice too.

I see all singing non-stop through the game - even little babies with dads and kids too having fun.....singing and dancing - very beautiful to see this.

So maybe I go to see FCUM before United, lol......better atmosphere without a doubt !!!

[SALFORD RED]

Carly, only one word i have to say to you for what you are posting on here lately....................RESPECT !!

.

[kingstreet]

From the FC United website;-

The FC United community team recently worked with people from CAFRASS (Children and Families Refugee and Asylum Seeker Services) to provide a day that some of their charges might remember. Below is a letter sent to FC United from Paula Duffy, one of the members of staff at CAFRASS...

"We work in the Manchester area with children and young people who have arrived unaccompanied in Britain to apply for asylum. They are placed into our care and we work with them until they are 21 years old.

"A few of the workers either attend FC United matches themselves or have partners that do. It’s widely known that a giddy time is to be had following FC and we were aware that FC United have a project that allows children in care free entry to all home matches. As we worked with children in the care system we looked further into it.

"One of the social workers told us that her sons attend the matches and thoroughly enjoy the day, as does their dad. He works as a volunteer with the promotions group trying to promote FC to a wider audience. He put us in touch with Vinny Thompson who gave us a call in September 07. Once Vinny gets wind of a community project that’s it, there’s no going back.

"A few of the workers met up with Vinny and he suggested a training session at MANCAT with further projects to run in the future, such as banner making and getting them to come to the games.

"Our Department was very exited about this involvement as the young people are here alone living without parents, siblings and extended family. Many are coping with mental health problems due to isolation and traumatic events. We wanted to get them involved and give them something to look forward to at the weekend.

"We envisaged them coming to the home matches, getting a little gang together on the bus, learning the songs and so start to feel a sense of belonging to Manchester.

"Dozens of letters were sent out inviting them to the session. Many of the return phone calls to us were amusing as they thought they were being asked to play for FC United ,so were asking when the next home match was as they hadn’t played for a while. Once I explained that it was a training session they told me they would love to still come. Two lads persuaded their social workers to buy them new trainers………….those lads will go far.

"On the afternoon of the training session we headed up to MANCAT to see who had turned up. We must admit that we were a bit worried Karl would be having a training session with one Leaving Care Worker, two Social Workers and a foster dad.

"We needn’t have worried, 6 young people were there before we were. They were all kitted up eagerly awaiting the session. Twenty- seven turned up for the training and three came to watch, one had a gammy knee so couldn’t play but had a keen interest in FC.

"Watching from the sidelines it was hard not to be moved by the enthusiasm of the lads. Most had not met before and were initially shy. We counted around 14 different languages spoken on that field that day. It’s amazing to watch lads asking in Pushto for the ball to be passed from a lad that only speaks Arabic.

"Karl soon had them training well and co- operating with each other. One young 12 year old from Nigeria kept mithering Karl to remember him as he played for a youth team back home.

"One moment stands out for me though; one of the lads Ali, turned up in a short sleeved t-shirt and was shivering. Karl noticed this and took of his sweatshirt and gave it to him. Ali played in goal proudly wearing his FC top with the initials KM.

"The feedback from the lads who attended has been brilliant; they keep asking when the next session will be. They will also be invited to come along to the game on the 8th December which they are really looking forward to. We really appreciated Karl coming to work with them, especially since FC had a home game that evening. We hope to continue the work with Vinny and FC United and hope our young people begin to feel it is their club too."

:)

[reddwarf]

Thanks for that kingstreet.

Always good to get a personal perspective, as well as the FCUM perspective, and interesting to hear how they are helping the local commuinty.

Like I said in a previous post, I don't have any interest in FCUM results/league position etc but I do respect the people who set it up and can understand why they felt it necessary.

[kingstreet]

Just to update you all, I've continued an old thread, rather than start a new one. If anyone objects to threads on FC United, stop reading and close! Both Uniteds are approaching a vital point in the season and this is the FC United final week;-

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/3969/unibondtable3hc1.jpg

Remaining games;-

21 BPA v Ossett

22 Wakefield v Bamber Bridge

23 FCUM v Woodley, Newcastle BS v Curzon

24 Bamber Bridge v Ossett

26 Garforth v FCUM, Rossendale v BPA, Skelmersdale V Curzon, Clitheroe v Bamber Bridge

29/30 Play Off 1 - 2nd place v 5th place
29/30 Play Off 2 - 3rd place v 4th place

3/5 Play off final - Winner play off 1 v Winner play off 2

So we need BPA to slip up tonight. A loss and we have a really good chance going into the final game. They draw tonight and we'd have a mountain of goal difference to climb. Curzon can win it, but they have two of the hardest games of the season to play this week.

Needless to say, we'll all be anxiously watching, or listening to, Chelsea v United even over in Leeds, where we play Garforth.

[Jazz 16]

We dont object to threads on FC at all.
In fact Fc have their very own section now on this forum.
You will find it in football banter.
Thanks again for the heads up.

[real_fan]

Thats the FCUM agenda though......

I didn't mean for them to barge in through the front door and say "OK we take
over now"....

I mean go and support another local team - within the community of Manchester
United area without all the hype and clap trap about "We hate Glazer - We are
from United.........blah, blah, blah"

They use the name of United and The Glazers to generate publicity !

They still cling to the coat tails of United because letting go would leave them as
just another Unibond Non-League club......

.......and they don't want that - they are too used to the fame and fortune !!!

With this 'fame' they have raised lots of money !!

So they have an unfair disadvantage in the league they now play in - they
just 'bully' teams out the way 5-0......6-0.....8-0......more glory - but all from the
use of Uniteds name !!

Clubs like Trafford Park.....very close to United ground I assume......have been in
existence for such a long time - struggling by as an amateur team......they were
more deserving of the support from these guys........but FCUM chose the 'glory'
trail !!

They pay Bury 5,000 pounds a WEEK to use their ground !!!

Absolutely outrageous !!

Think of what good that could have done to a non-league club who actually
deserve the money to reward them for their years of struggle !!

I'm sorry but I'm entitled to an opinion as everyone else is - but for me this smells
very strongly of narcissism and self indulgence.......

When they move up a couple of leagues and the novelty has worn off......the
crowds shrink a bit.......the games become a 'challenge' instead of a walk
over........things will be oh so different and as has already happened they will all
come crawling back to Old Trafford expecting to be hailed as 'Heroes' of some
description..........

AG was given a hard time the other night for declaring.......

"I am Israeli born but I support Russia for this game........."

Well for FCUM read:

"I support Manchester United but for now I'll support FCUM".....

Traitors !!!

They have all made thier choices......and the choice was FCUM.......now it's time
they let go of United's coat tails and made a go of it alone......if they can !!

they are man united fans they are not mugs though they will not pay off a debt that shouldnt be there.

didnt you say once that there songs were unreal and said they are loyal fans ?

on a myspace bulliten remember ?.

a crowd at fc makes a better atmosphere week in week out that OT

no more jester hats !

or sky tv !

[Keano!]

I'd fancy Alex over Andy.

Older and a bigger hitter. KO after 4 rounds......;)

[real_fan]

I'd fancy Alex over Andy.

Older and a bigger hitter. KO after 4 rounds......;)


fergie is a disgrace of a man (great manager)

he once said

if ya dont like our ticket prices go and support chelsea !

hes meant to be the working man !

look at the end of the day glazer pays his wages is he really going to applaud them? course he isnt !

he keeps mentioning them, they obviously have his atention

i suggest people research them before they call them judas's etc...

they are some of the most loyal fans mufc ever had !

they saw mufc when they were utter rubbish, they have principles and they will not be bought .

the fans these days have it easy, wining evrygame etc....

wasnt always like this

[Jazz 16]

Whatever Fergie has or hasnt said in this debacle doesnt mean you
can call him a disgrace of a man. Thats very harsh RF after ALL he has done
for United.

[-zuco-]

Whatever Fergie has or hasnt said in this debacle doesnt mean you
can call him a disgrace of a man. Thats very harsh RF after ALL he has done
for United.

Seconded.

Real Fan I am yet to see a positive post from you regarding United.
Did you join this forum just to complain? :onfused:

[real_fan]

Whatever Fergie has or hasnt said in this debacle doesnt mean you
can call him a disgrace of a man. Thats very harsh RF after ALL he has done
for United.

hes a great manager

but as a man he isnt.

working class lad he says ?

he has ago at the local mancs who with our wages follow united like a religion ?

well im sorry fergie we are not all on your wages you know :rolleyes:

[real_fan]

Seconded.

Real Fan I am yet to see a positive post from you regarding United.
Did you join this forum just to complain? :onfused:


:D

no im just feeling very angry with "my club" or my "franchise"

this season off the pitch its been a shocker,

oh well the sun on my back tomorrow in barca will cheer me up :cool:

a nice cold lager.

oooo yes.

hope its better weather than boro away:o

[fazman]

Being a united fan and only a united fan I hate the breakaway club and think the fans are sell outs who should stand by united because it is still our club

[Keano!]

fergie is a disgrace of a man (great manager)

he once said

if ya dont like our ticket prices go and support chelsea !

hes meant to be the working man !

look at the end of the day glazer pays his wages is he really going to applaud them? course he isnt !

he keeps mentioning them, they obviously have his atention

i suggest people research them before they call them judas's etc...

they are some of the most loyal fans mufc ever had !

they saw mufc when they were utter rubbish, they have principles and they will not be bought .

the fans these days have it easy, wining evrygame etc....

wasnt always like this

I'm not disregarding the MUFC fans at all! I suppose you've seen that video of the
chanting for a good 6 minutes.....

Terrific support for them and if we had that at Old Trafford, the place would be
absolutly rocking!






Unfortunatly, we dont........

[real_fan]

I'm not disregarding the MUFC fans at all! I suppose you've seen that video of the
chanting for a good 6 minutes.....

Terrific support for them and if we had that at Old Trafford, the place would be
absolutly rocking!






Unfortunatly, we dont........


ive been to fc games

its always rocking

[unitedred]

Ferie out.

[carlyluvsunited]

Ferie out...... or do you mean 'Fergie' :p :rolleyes:

[unitedred]

..... or do you mean 'Fergie' :rolleyes:

No.

Ferie.

[carlyluvsunited]

they are man united fans they are not mugs though they will not pay off a debt that shouldnt be there.

didnt you say once that there songs were unreal and said they are loyal fans ?

on a myspace bulliten remember ?.

a crowd at fc makes a better atmosphere week in week out that OT

no more jester hats !

or sky tv !I most certainly did ...

Well spotted young man.

I'm honoured you search for every post I make ...

I did the bulletin on Myspace after some very lengthy and heated discussions on
here about FC United.

I have the ability to listen and learn - and change my opinions if I think I am
wrong. Which is a good thing ... but totally off the topic of the thread now !

I do understand FC's agenda - and I kind of admire them for taking
this 'pioneering' move - seems Liverpool want to copy it too now.

Maybe they didn't promote themselves in the right way - leaving people like
myself believing they were a group of 'glory hunters' setting up a club and
promoting it off the back of United. Using the United name and history to raise
awareness for themselves.

I hope people have read the 2 threads we have on FC here ... and are allowed to
make up their own minds.

I admire your resolute support for FC and everything anti-Glazer etc etc ... but
don't force these views on others as it 'appears' you do from time to time.

Unintentionally I would imagine.

[fazman]

This has gone to far to many so called united fans have to much to say on a subject that is reserved for fans who go to match's . Some of you may claim to support the club but you certainly dont know much about it all you do is google information or learn from someone most of you make me sick lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

there are fans who I do respect on here but fans who have a opinion on this have to be fans who have at least been to a match or made a effort with united

[yao]

i am looking forward that wonderful match ....
so expecting.... .. but the FC united team isn't our oppents...

they can't get together .... nobody can stop us ....

[carlyluvsunited]

This has gone to far to many so called united fans have to much to say on a subject that is reserved for fans who go to match's.
Forum = A public meeting or assembly for open discussion.

Any subject can be dicussed by any fan on here.

We don't have subjects "reserved for fans who go to matches".

For one brief moment there you sounded like Real_Fan who goes on and
on relentlessly about the subject.

I'm sure you don't want to sound like that ;)