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carlyluvsunited
20-11-2007, 09:20 AM
Next week will be two years to the day that George Best died, after battling
against an alcohol addiction for years. He has been hailed as the greatest player
ever in the game time and again, and is often the mark any bright prospect at
United is measured against. However, his title as the greatest ever is disputed
by some, but even Pele, who rivals Best for the accolade, said George was the
greatest ever player.

There is much debate over who is the best player in the World at present.

Meelan’s Kaka seems to be most people’s favourite, after his storming displays in
the Champions League last season. No doubt he took United right out in the
semi’s, and scored a whopping 10 goals in the competition, which isn't too
shabby for a midfielder! Our very own Ronaldo, who collected a clean sweep of
the individual awards at domestic level, looks to be snubbed for the up and
coming Ballon d’Or, with the impressive Brazilian set to steal the plaudits.
However, if we look at the two players last season, Ronaldo scored more goals,
and had twice the assists of Kaka, when taking in to consideration all club
competitions. Kaka collected a pitiful eight goals in thirty one appearances for AC
Milan in the league, in a season where they finished fourth and were essentially,
just a cup team. Granted, the best Cup going, but still just a cup team, focussing
all their energy on the Champions League. The team we battered 7-1 at Old
Trafford finished some fourteen points ahead of Milan. Even without the point
deduction the club faced for corruption, they would have finished third, twenty
eight points behind the Champions, Inter. In contrast, Manchester United lead
the table from the start of the season, with Ronaldo scoring crucial goals against
several clubs, and racked up two goals in three games for Portugal in their Euro
2008 qualifiers. In total, he scored 25 goals in the 56 matches he played in last
season, for club and country, which is phenomenal for a winger, and managed 20
assists for United.

Now of course, the Champions League attracts more attention from Europe than
the Premier League, and therefore it is not much of a surprise that Kaka is
receiving all the attention at the moment. Turning up for a handful of games in
the Champions League, (and by turning up, I mean playing exceptional football!)
appears to be worth more than showing up week in week out in your own
league. Ronaldo had the highest number of assists in the league last season
(13) and was the third highest scorer (17), behind two out and out strikers who
both had great seasons. He made the difference between United losing and
winning on so many occasions, and essentially, contributed invaluably to winning
the title, and our most successful year since 1999.

Now, just as in the past Pele has added weight to our argument that George Best
was the greatest ever, Kaka has provided Ronaldo with a great shout for the
best player currently in Europe. “He is the best,” said Kaka, of Ronaldo. “Not only
for his technical ability, but also for what he has done with Portugal.” Whilst
Chelsea’s Drogba is tipping himself for the award, it is great to see the modesty
of Kaka, as well as hearing the praise for our player.

The Ballon d’Or winner is due to be announced within the next few weeks, but I
won’t be getting my hopes up over a Ronaldo win. A United player hasn’t been
crowned the best in Europe since George Best in 1968 (with Denis Law and
Bobby Charlton winning it before him), which is ridiculous considering the talent
we’ve had since then. Bryan Robson, Eric Cantona, Roy Keane, Peter Schmeichel
and Ryan Giggs, to name the first few players who spring to mind, haven’t even
been in the running. Dwight Yorke scored 30 goals for us in the Treble winning
season, but rolled in at 11th place that year. Andy Cole, who made up the other
half of the highest scoring partnership in Europe that season, managed a 26th
place finish. The closest United players have come to scooping the award since
Best are Cantona, who was voted third in 1993 (behind Dennis Bergkamp and
Roberto Baggio) and Beckham, who was voted second in 1999 (behind Rivaldo).
The Italian League has seen seventeen winners, the Spanish league has seen
twelve winners, and the German league has seen nine. The English league
boasts only five winners. The figures don’t bode well for Ronaldo.

Regardless, it is nice to see our young winger be recognised and praised so
highly by the player the World of football is currently ranting and raving about.
Whoever the winner, there is no doubt in my mind that Cristiano Ronaldo
contributed more heavily to the success of his club and country than any player in
Europe last season, and I wouldn’t dream of swapping him for Kaka, or Messi, or
anyone else. So here’s to Ronaldo, our player of the year!

reddwarf
20-11-2007, 10:08 AM
There's a couple of Argentinians who are usually mentioned in the best ever and best current player debates.

Who thinks Maradona and Messi should be included in this?

Some people argue that Pele wasn't even the best Brazilian.

There may be one or two who would add Zidane too...

For me, Pele and Kaka are rightfully thought of as the best ever and best current player.

Ronaldo will take Kaka's crown at the end of this season though ;)

Jazz 16
20-11-2007, 01:15 PM
Its great to see Bestie and Ronaldo getting acknowledged by Pele and Kaka.
The above article makes a good case for Ronaldo to win it, but that wont happen, id bet my house on Kaka winning it. He has too after his performances in the CL alone. In the semis against United Kaka shown through where as Ronaldo seemes disinterested even.....
Ronaldo WILL win this award at some stage but it wont be this year.

Id go along with you Dwarf on some of the players you mentioned. Zidane deserves to be up there now and in years to come people will be saying, Pele, Best, Maradona, Cruyff, Zidane, Ronaldo, Kaka and Messi. Im sure of it.

Keano4taoiseach
20-11-2007, 11:35 PM
There's a couple of Argentinians who are usually mentioned in the best ever and best current player debates.

Who thinks Maradona and Messi should be included in this?

Some people argue that Pele wasn't even the best Brazilian.

There may be one or two who would add Zidane too...

For me, Pele and Kaka are rightfully thought of as the best ever and best current player.

Ronaldo will take Kaka's crown at the end of this season though ;)



It's between Pele, Socrates and Zico imho......all legends...have a video of them..

rydersonthestorm
20-11-2007, 11:40 PM
Maradonna, pele,zico, cruyff and a few other's would certainly deny have something to say about that.

Keano4taoiseach
20-11-2007, 11:47 PM
Maradonna, pele,zico, cruyff and a few other's would certainly deny have something to say about that.


cruyff turn.....lol......ya were all magnificent players......

I notice how there is never any defenders mentioned in relation to the greatest players ever debates....

Maldini, Beckenbauer......

rydersonthestorm
21-11-2007, 12:06 AM
Well madlini isn't as good as baresi so that counts him out.;)

Keano4taoiseach
21-11-2007, 01:55 AM
Well madlini isn't as good as baresi so that counts him out.;)


I was just making the point about defenders tbh...but as you said in the shoutbox earlier defenders don't win matches and tournaments for teams on their own...like Maradonna did for Argentina in the World Cup...

Ajant
21-11-2007, 08:31 AM
Beckenbauer, B.Charlton, Charles, Matthews were all regarded as legends, those players are four times the player Kaka and Ronaldo currently are.

That's a nicely written article Carly, although interesting use of
'meelan'!

carlyluvsunited
21-11-2007, 10:08 AM
Beckenbauer, B.Charlton, Charles, Matthews were all regarded as legends, those players are four times the player Kaka and Ronaldo currently are.

That's a nicely written article Carly, although interesting use of
'meelan'!You never heard of 'Meelan' before ?

Same kind of thing as 'Chelski' and 'Les Arse' just a nick name.......

Ajant
21-11-2007, 10:19 AM
Yes I have, but I was just wondering why you wrote Meelan :p Just thinking that post must have taken a while to research, pity I don't have the time to come up with such quality!

carlyluvsunited
21-11-2007, 10:33 AM
Yes I have, but I was just wondering why you wrote Meelan :p Just thinking that post must have taken a while to research, pity I don't have the time to come up with such quality!You wonder why I wrote 'Meelan' ?

Why.......

Why do you never 'wonder' why I write 'Chelski' or 'The Arse'.......

As for you having time to come up with such quality - what relevance does this have to the thread ?

Keano4taoiseach
21-11-2007, 07:17 PM
meelan.....that's how Italians pronouce it isn't it........

carlyluvsunited
22-11-2007, 06:56 AM
meelan.....that's how Italians pronouce it isn't it........

It is - and so do Romanians :)

So now we can get back on subject and not worry about pronunciation......

Ajant
22-11-2007, 07:11 AM
Just applauding your well written post that is all Carly!

And just wodnering why "meelan" I just don't hear/see it much thats all.

Not sure if that's how they pronounce it though tbh, I got iti friends lol

R_9-Ronaldo
22-11-2007, 12:54 PM
<<<<< I have never seen such a complete player in my life! in the 97,98 seasons he had speed, clinical finishing, mind boggling skills, and the abillity to score from just about anywhere in the pitch taking out about 8 or 9 defenders while on his way. He was won every individual honour available and every club and country cup available! the only thing left is the champs league then there truly is nothing he hasn't accomplished! 9Ronaldo greatest player of all time

carlyluvsunited
22-11-2007, 02:03 PM
<<<<< I have never seen such a complete player in my life! in the 97,98 seasons he had speed, clinical finishing, mind boggling skills, and the abillity to score from just about anywhere in the pitch taking out about 8 or 9 defenders while on his way. He was won every individual honour available and every club and country cup available! the only thing left is the champs league then there truly is nothing he hasn't accomplished! 9Ronaldo greatest player of all time...............and all accomplished despite being fat with tricky teeth....

Just goes to show huh :D

Keano4taoiseach
22-11-2007, 06:04 PM
Just applauding your well written post that is all Carly!

And just wodnering why "meelan" I just don't hear/see it much thats all.

Not sure if that's how they pronounce it though tbh, I got iti friends lol


lol...you Australians don't pronounce anything right.....:D

and trust me.....Italians definitely pronounce it "meelan".......ok....

you've got friends.....:eek:

reddwarf
22-11-2007, 06:28 PM
I was chanting Meelan during last seasons Champions League Final :D

Keano4taoiseach
22-11-2007, 06:58 PM
<<<<< I have never seen such a complete player in my life! in the 97,98 seasons he had speed, clinical finishing, mind boggling skills, and the abillity to score from just about anywhere in the pitch taking out about 8 or 9 defenders while on his way. He was won every individual honour available and every club and country cup available! the only thing left is the champs league then there truly is nothing he hasn't accomplished! 9Ronaldo greatest player of all time


Can't find any fault in your post, I hope he can regain that form in the near future or even if he comes close he will be one of the best strikers in the world......

Still have a poster of him in my bedroom of him standing beside the statue in Rio de janeiro....called "Christ the redeemer".....the statue that is...!!

Ajant
23-11-2007, 03:22 AM
Good to see we're not getting our hopes up for a Ronaldo win for the 'Ballon d'Or' and it's good to see we're not dreaming of swapping Ronaldo for messi or kaka etc.

Kaka will get this awards, perhaps Ronaldo will be runner up.

carlyluvsunited
23-11-2007, 12:37 PM
Good to see we're not getting our hopes up for a Ronaldo win for the 'Ballon d'Or' and it's good to see we're not dreaming of swapping Ronaldo for messi or kaka etc.

Kaka will get this awards, perhaps Ronaldo will be runner up.You wouldn't swap Ronaldo for Kaka ?

Hmmmmmmm......

I'd give it some thought myself but it would be close.....

Same for Messi too actually......

Not a lot between the 3 of them........

Ajant
23-11-2007, 12:38 PM
Whoever the winner, there is no doubt in my mind that Cristiano Ronaldo
contributed more heavily to the success of his club and country than any player in
Europe last season, and I wouldn’t dream of swapping him for Kaka, or Messi, or
anyone else. So here’s to Ronaldo, our player of the year!


:confused:

carlyluvsunited
23-11-2007, 01:15 PM
Yes but as I said I would still consider it - I'd come to my original conclusion though.....Ronnie is not as good as Kaka yet and I hope he does improve to be better......but if you took the 3 of them away from their clubs and had a pick of one of the 3......... it would be a hard call for sure !!!

We're obviously biased to the United player......

Any one of us could make a good case for Ronaldo to win this too.....

I dont think its a foregone conclusion Kaka has won it !!!!

Ajant
24-11-2007, 08:04 AM
I think you didn't write this first post. Enough said...and you've proved me right.

carlyluvsunited
24-11-2007, 11:28 AM
I think you didn't write this first post. Enough said...and you've proved me right.LMAO - you're getting more than tedious now :D

I find it so funny that you devote so much time searching in a meticulous manner
through my posts to try and find little mistakes......but I'm honoured to have you
doing this, no, really, I am, lol.

You must have a queue of young ladies outside your house all fighting for your
attentions.

Surely you have better things to do though......or maybe not......

Good news too - I made plenty more posts today.....

Now you can go and search through these ones in minute detail hunting for the
slightest error I made......

You might even like to write a thread or 2 yourself and surprise us all.....

Anyway -good luck and have fun whichever you chose to do.

Keano4taoiseach
24-11-2007, 03:55 PM
Keep it up guys.......very entertaining........lol....

The question is, has Kaka done enough in the Serie A with Milan to warrant him winning the award...
Ronaldo performed unbelievably for the whole season in the premiership and hadn't a bad scoring record either....
Kaka had a wonderful CL campaign, so had Ronaldo, apart from the second leg match against Milan.....

I think it should go to Ronaldo because in my heart I don't think that Kaka could have done in the premier league last season what Cristiano Ronaldo did.

Keano4taoiseach
24-11-2007, 08:37 PM
Nah i am not in the mood to go steal others work and cthen class it as my own ay. seriously. tedious in itself. Right, i sohuldnt be posting right nw really i can barely see straight. this aint too professional lol. At least it;s my own writing though. I think. I am unsure if it;s copied n pasted from another forum oops.


Now it's definitely getting tedious.....:rolleyes:

Can you not think of anything productive to write about....

or even better something about Manchester United....;)

carlyluvsunited
24-11-2007, 08:43 PM
Now it's definitely getting tedious.....:rolleyes:

Can you not think of anything productive to write about....

or even better something about Manchester United....;)*yawns*

Well said Bertie :)

I am of the opinion Mr Ronaldo is the winner here......closely followed by Kaka.......and who cares who is 3rd.........

Ronnie did the double in the UK and this will be a nice addition to his collection......along with another Prem medal.....FA Cup Medal and Champs League medal too from this year :eek:

rydersonthestorm
24-11-2007, 08:46 PM
Kaka wins this no doubts the champions league or a world cup has more bearing on the votes than anything else.

BALROG
25-11-2007, 02:07 AM
I think its hard to come up with the best present day player for me , but i was lucky enough to see pele with cosmos in the nasl and to this day i think he had magic in his approach to the game . i did see g. best at spartan stadium with the san jose earthquakes and he scored a goal i'll never forget, there is a good chance its on you tube or something like that ?

charles
25-11-2007, 11:29 AM
What about Garry Birtles,...........:D :D :D :D

Red Devil
25-11-2007, 12:51 PM
The debate on who is better than who will rage on forever. Maradona does not even figure in my top 100 as I have an intense hatred of players who have to cheat to prove a point. That is not the mark of a good player.

As I have actually watched Best on hundreds of live occasions there is no doubt in my mind that he was, and is, the BEST. Other players turn it on now and then, do miraculous things and breathtaking goals, but not all the time, not every week. BEST did.

Even Pele recognised the fact that BEST was totally consistent. He never really ever had a "bad game" always drifting into space off the ball, losing defenders, crossing from impossible angles, running half, or more, of the field to ram it into the net or cleverly chipping a keeper who thought he had all his angles covered.

No contest ................

Keano4taoiseach
25-11-2007, 07:18 PM
Maradonna good......Pele better.......George Best......RD......good post.......;)

Jazz 16
25-11-2007, 09:02 PM
I think its hard to come up with the best present day player for me , but i was lucky enough to see pele with cosmos in the nasl and to this day i think he had magic in his approach to the game . i did see g. best at spartan stadium with the san jose earthquakes and he scored a goal i'll never forget, there is a good chance its on you tube or something like that ?


You were there for this goal, sweet:)
I think this is the one you mean: some goal
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=U2HWUbFGHMU&feature=related