fernando torres

[manutdman]

repoets have indicated if rafa benitez gets sacked.... torres will be one of the few to leave liverpool.... will man utd benefit?

[RichardsReds]

Yes we would if that happened... What an obvious question and answer.

[carlyluvsunited]

Transfer Talk ?

Not really.......

Football Banter I would say..........:p

[Anderson's God]

No Thanks, rather Ibrahimovic I don't like him either!

[reddwarf]

Why on Earth would they let Torres leave?!

He's their best player!!!

[red_dec7]

i think we should of bought torres now but never mind

[reddwarf]

i think we should of bought torres now but never mind

I wanted Torres at United but considering how much he cost I don't think we'd have been able to afford Nani, Anderson and Tevez too so I'm happy enough with the players we brought in.

[RichardsReds]

Why on Earth would they let Torres leave?!

He's their best player!!!

No. Gerrard is their best player... :rolleyes:

[Justice]

Transfer Talk ?

Not really.......

Football Banter I would say..........:p
No... this is more concerning the joining of torres, not the leaving of rafa. Transfer Talk thread.

[eoininho]

not gonna happen, simple as!

[Brock]

I think Torres in overrated tbh.

[red_devils4life]

A rare good signing from Rafael Benitez,or probably his best. Wow,11 goals in 13 games,a marvellous feat! So what more do you expect? He looks like a snip @ 20.2million pounds. Kinda' regret that SAF didn't get him during the summer though. Let's see if he can out-score our Wayne Rooney this season. Along with Ronnie,I predict that all 3 of them will finish with more than 25 goals in all competition this season.

[unitedred]

Gerrard is Liverpool's best player, its no coincidence now he's actually playing like a footballer again his team are doing better. When he is in poor form, their whole team is.

[andycole9]

i think toress is quality and i was a bit ****ed that we didn't go in for him

[Keano4taoiseach]

Torres and Gerard are world-class....

Gerard has been carrying Liverpool for the last few seasons.........

This season with someone with real quality up front and crouch on form they really could perform above expectations.....

and finish..........3rd or 4th......

[CROoney]

No way Torres can be branded as a world class - this is the best season of his career in which was constantly outscored by the likes of Villa,Forlan Kanoute,Milito and co. Sure he's been scoring regularly this season, but let us just wait and see if he could carry this form throughout the season before putting him up there

[reddwarf]

No way Torres can be branded as a world class - this is the best season of his career in which was constantly outscored by the likes of Villa,Forlan Kanoute,Milito and co. Sure he's been scoring regularly this season, but let us just wait and see if he could carry this form throughout the season before putting him up there

During the period he played in La Liga only Villa and Eto'o scored more goals overall than Torres.

He's never been a 20 goal per season striker but the supply he's getting at Liverpool is much better than it was at Atletico, he's playing in Europe this season and there's no equivalent of the League Cup in Spain. It looks likely that he'll get 20+ this season.

I think it's too early for Torres to be branded World class yet but he certainly has the potential. Same with Rooney...

[CROoney]

During the period he played in La Liga only Villa and Eto'o scored more goals overall than Torres.

He's never been a 20 goal per season striker but the supply he's getting at Liverpool is much better than it was at Atletico, he's playing in Europe this season and there's no equivalent of the League Cup in Spain. It looks likely that he'll get 20+ this season.

I think it's too early for Torres to be branded World class yet but he certainly has the potential. Same with Rooney...
overall, yes, but for the 2 previous seasons he was outscored by Villa, Kanoute Morientes and Forlan I think. And supply in Valencia , Villareal or Sevilla is not THAT better... Those are clubs of the same callibre

[red_devils4life]

overall, yes, but for the 2 previous seasons he was outscored by Villa, Kanoute Morientes and Forlan I think. And supply in Valencia , Villareal or Sevilla is not THAT better... Those are clubs of the same callibre

Valencia CF-6 Spanish La Liga championship titles,6 Copa del Rey trophies, 3 UEFA Cups,1 UEFA Cup Winners' Cup and 2 UEFA Super Cups. They have also been UEFA Champions League final runners-up on two different occasions in 2000 and 2001, losing to La Liga rivals Real Madrid in 2000 and German club Bayern Munich in 2001.

FC Sevilla-Spanish Primera La Liga (1): 1946
Copa del Rey (4): 1935, 1939, 1948, 2007
Spanish Super Cup (1): 2007
UEFA Cup (2): 2005-06, 2006-07
UEFA Super Cup (1): 2006

Villareal-Spain
LIGA: 9 – 1940, 1941, 1950, 1951, 1966, 1970, 1973, 1977, 1996
COPA DEL REY: 9 – 1960, 1961, 1965, 1972, 1976, 1985, 1991, 1992, 1996
SUPERCOPA DE ESPAÑA: 3 – 1940, 1951, 1985
SEGUNDA DIVISIÓN: 1 – 2002
Intercontinental Cup: 1 – 1974
European Cup Winners' Cup: 1-1962
UEFA Intertoto Cup: 1-2007
Campeonato del Centro: 4
1920-21, 1924-25, 1927-28, 1939-40

Athletico Madrid-Nothing

:rolleyes: Looks like Athletico Madrid matches the other 3 calibres',isn't it?

[Keano4taoiseach]

During the period he played in La Liga only Villa and Eto'o scored more goals overall than Torres.

He's never been a 20 goal per season striker but the supply he's getting at Liverpool is much better than it was at Atletico, he's playing in Europe this season and there's no equivalent of the League Cup in Spain. It looks likely that he'll get 20+ this season.

I think it's too early for Torres to be branded World class yet but he certainly has the potential. Same with Rooney...


LMAO.........are you saying Rooney isn't world-class.......??

Maradonna just announced recently that he thinks he is better than Kaka.......the newly voted "best player in the world"......

Rooney is most definitely world-class.........:)

[CROoney]

Valencia CF-6 Spanish La Liga championship titles,6 Copa del Rey trophies, 3 UEFA Cups,1 UEFA Cup Winners' Cup and 2 UEFA Super Cups. They have also been UEFA Champions League final runners-up on two different occasions in 2000 and 2001, losing to La Liga rivals Real Madrid in 2000 and German club Bayern Munich in 2001.

FC Sevilla-Spanish Primera La Liga (1): 1946
Copa del Rey (4): 1935, 1939, 1948, 2007
Spanish Super Cup (1): 2007
UEFA Cup (2): 2005-06, 2006-07
UEFA Super Cup (1): 2006

Villareal-Spain
LIGA: 9 – 1940, 1941, 1950, 1951, 1966, 1970, 1973, 1977, 1996
COPA DEL REY: 9 – 1960, 1961, 1965, 1972, 1976, 1985, 1991, 1992, 1996
SUPERCOPA DE ESPAÑA: 3 – 1940, 1951, 1985
SEGUNDA DIVISIÓN: 1 – 2002
Intercontinental Cup: 1 – 1974
European Cup Winners' Cup: 1-1962
UEFA Intertoto Cup: 1-2007
Campeonato del Centro: 4
1920-21, 1924-25, 1927-28, 1939-40

Athletico Madrid-Nothing

:rolleyes: Looks like Athletico Madrid matches the other 3 calibres',isn't it?

why didn't you find anything about atletico madrid ?! Is it because you spelled their name wrong or because you're just lying to prove your point
here - i did it for you , no need to thanks:D

Trophies
Spain
LIGA: 9 – 1940, 1941, 1950, 1951, 1966, 1970, 1973, 1977, 1996

COPA DEL REY: 9 – 1960, 1961, 1965, 1972, 1976, 1985, 1991, 1992, 1996

SUPERCOPA DE ESPAÑA: 3 – 1940, 1951, 1985

SEGUNDA DIVISIÓN: 1 – 2002

Intercontinental Cup: 1 – 1974
European Cup Winners' Cup: 1
1962
UEFA Intertoto Cup: 1
2007
Campeonato del Centro: 4
1920-21, 1924-25, 1927-28, 1939-40
And NO - they don't match their callibre - THEY'RE BIGGER
IN FACT - I JUST COMPARED YOUR VILLAREAL TO MY ATLETICO AND IT SEEMS YOU PUT ATLETICO'S TROPHIES UNDER VILLAREAL NAME ! Has someone been cheating

[Keano's fan]

LMAO.........are you saying Rooney isn't world-class.......??

Maradonna just announced recently that he thinks he is better than Kaka.......the newly voted "best player in the world"......

Rooney is most definitely world-class.........:)
I STRONGLY disagree. World class isnt a term used to describe everyone in good form or anyone whos 'known' to be great. Its being consistently great for a period of time. Neither Rooney nor Torres are world class. Theyre both showing world class potential but you cant compare what theyre doing with what Van Nistelrooy has been doing for years, can you ? 'world class' IMO is a term used to describe the best in the world in a certain position whos been the best in the world for a reasonable period of time. When you talk about world class strikers, Ruud Van Nistelrooy comes to mind and IMO Drogba and Ibrahimovic who have been on great form for three seasons now.

[CROoney]

I STRONGLY disagree. World class isnt a term used to describe everyone in good form or anyone whos 'known' to be great. Its being consistently great for a period of time. Neither Rooney nor Torres are world class. Theyre both showing world class potential but you cant compare what theyre doing with what Van Nistelrooy has been doing for years, can you ? 'world class' IMO is a term used to describe the best in the world in a certain position whos been the best in the world for a reasonable period of time. When you talk about world class strikers, Ruud Van Nistelrooy comes to mind and IMO Drogba and Ibrahimovic who have been on great form for three seasons now.
World class should represent a player who can play in any world team in the first 16. Why should only Kaka and Zidane be world class. And you're basicly saying that Ronaldo isn't world class ? Adriano is world class too, because when fit and prepared he could play in any team. You must look at it globaly. From the view of smaller countries. How could I explain it. Let's say like this - when we were playing against England at Wembley Bilic said that they had a bunch of absentees but those who were playing were the jumbo jets for us. He called them world class. Now there are some better ( aka Kaka, Ronaldo, Pirlo, Seedorf ) some worse ( Rosicky, Adriano , Crouch ) but they are still world class. Because they would be quite and addition to almost every team in the world. Not only 10 , 11 players can be branded as world class.
And if you want to look at it by form - Rooney has been outstanding overall since joining us. An outstanding performer. We didn't win much, but he has been outstanding. While Ibra on the other hand was crap at Juve, he resurected at Inter, . so he wouldn't fit in your definiton os continuity , but he is definitely a world class. there are tens of players who can be branded as wolrd class.

[Keano's fan]

It depends on your definition of the term. Mine would be you have to be among the best three or five in your position in the world. Thats what world class means for me, and no, being in a world class team doesnt make you world class I cant see how you'd think Crouch or Adriano are world class to be honest. I've picked my definition for the term and Im sticking with it.

[Keano4taoiseach]

It depends on your definition of the term. Mine would be you have to be among the best three or five in your position in the world. Thats what world class means for me, and no, being in a world class team doesnt make you world class I cant see how you'd think Crouch or Adriano are world class to be honest. I've picked my definition for the term and Im sticking with it.


Name 5 strikers who are better all-round than Wayne Rooney please.........??

[Keano's fan]

Again, its not based on ability alone. On that , Ronaldinho is the best player in the world. Its a combination between ability, perfomances and consistencey. Van Nistelrooy, Drogba, Kanoute, Ibrahimovic and Totti come to mind. Villa isnt far off as well.

[Keano4taoiseach]

Again, its not based on ability alone. On that , Ronaldinho is the best player in the world. Its a combination between ability, perfomances and consistencey. Van Nistelrooy, Drogba, Kanoute, Ibrahimovic and Totti come to mind. Villa isnt far off as well.


Kanoute.........I think Rooney is a better player........Kanoute rarely even plays in the CL......

Totti.........did you watch the CL........Captain of his team and lost 7-0

Ibravhimovich.........wouldn't want him near United...he doesn't try when the going gets tough, hell, he rarwely tries anyway.....
Skilfull player, good technique and scores goals.....but without the desire it's pointless......

Drogba- had an excellent second season at Chelsea and played well last season but I don't think he is neccesarily better than Rooney......
They are about the same.....

RVN..........a magnificent goal-scorer and brilliant with his head and his feet........atm probably a fraction ahead of Rooney...but not by too much...

[Keano's fan]

You dont get it do you ? Why is Ronaldo a world class winger ? Because hes been consistently brilliant for two years now. Totti has been absolutely brilliant for a while now. Kanoute's goal scoring form for the past 2 seasons added to this season as well is superior than Rooney. Ibrahimovic has been more consistent than Rooney the last two seasons. Your basing your claims on ability alone ? fine. But Ive made my definition clear about the term, and your just going in circles.

[dlan4327]

Just to return to the Torres topic for a sec. To all the people saying they wish we bought Torres SAF did try to buy him repeatedly however he said that there were so many delays and arguments over pricing i.e. Atletico Madrid just kept stalling on the deal that SAF eventually just got fed up. SAF I remember was quoted as saying Torres is a promising player but he just got annoyed with all the delays.

[Ajant]

Back to the 'world class' issue, Steven Gerrard may be very good, but I don't think he is world class, overhyped..or maybe I don't like him anymore because he is a cheat?

Rooney isn't in the top5 strikers in the world...Neither is Torres. Both SHOULD be in due time.

Torres won't sign for United. End of. Phew.

[Harvo]

I think a world class player is within the top 5 players of their position like Keano's fan said. It is debatable wether or not Rooney is in that top 5. In a few years he will definitely be in that top 5, as long as he doesn't pick up a major injury. But torres on the other hand will never be in that top 5.

[CROoney]

Kanoute.........I think Rooney is a better player........Kanoute rarely even plays in the CL......

Totti.........did you watch the CL........Captain of his team and lost 7-0

Ibravhimovich.........wouldn't want him near United...he doesn't try when the going gets tough, hell, he rarwely tries anyway.....
Skilfull player, good technique and scores goals.....but without the desire it's pointless......

Drogba- had an excellent second season at Chelsea and played well last season but I don't think he is neccesarily better than Rooney......
They are about the same.....

RVN..........a magnificent goal-scorer and brilliant with his head and his feet........atm probably a fraction ahead of Rooney...but not by too much...
i think your problem is that you're so exact on the term.. they all are world class compared to the number of players or leagues in europe... like i said - there are some brilliant - aka kaka, henry, ronaldo, rooney, ronaldinho, eto'o, cesc and some great players like trezeguet, deco, pirlo gattuso, hargreaves, gilberto, crouch or even adriano when fit, that any team would accept in their squad...they wouldn't be maybe a first choice but they would definitely help any team in the world .. Just because crouch is not as brilliant as henry doesn't mean he ' s not world class. To be amoung the top 5 players on your position in the world is being, let's say, amoung the best in the world and that's another step up in "world classness". Nothing can't be exact in that issue...

If need to be amoung the top 5 in the world in your position to be branded as world class then this would be it - ruud, Henry,Drogba,Eto'o,Raul. so that means that Del Piero, Trezeguet, Inzaghi,Ibrahimovic, Shevchenko, Toni, Klose, Ronaldo, Rooney, Crespo, Tevez, Saha are not world class... It's ridiculous...you can't put barriers on the term. They are world class footballers, some of them are brilliant some of'em are just great...

[Keano4taoiseach]

i think your problem is that you're so exact on the term.. they all are world class compared to the number of players or leagues in europe... like i said - there are some brilliant - aka kaka, henry, ronaldo, rooney, ronaldinho, eto'o, cesc and some great players like trezeguet, deco, pirlo gattuso, hargreaves, gilberto, crouch or even adriano when fit, that any team would accept in their squad...they wouldn't be maybe a first choice but they would definitely help any team in the world .. Just because crouch is not as brilliant as henry doesn't mean he ' s not world class. To be amoung the top 5 players on your position in the world is being, let's say, amoung the best in the world and that's another step up in "world classness". Nothing can't be exact in that issue...

If need to be amoung the top 5 in the world in your position to be branded as world class then this would be it - ruud, Henry,Drogba,Eto'o,Raul. so that means that Del Piero, Trezeguet, Inzaghi,Ibrahimovic, Shevchenko, Toni, Klose, Ronaldo, Rooney, Crespo, Tevez, Saha are not world class... It's ridiculous...you can't put barriers on the term. They are world class footballers, some of them are brilliant some of'em are just great...



However......world class players........there are more than 5 in each position.......it means players who could play in a world class team and not look out of place......who could hold their own in a world-class place......

Rooney could play in any world class team....any team in the world and not look out of place.........hence doesn't this make him world class........??

Back to the 'world class' issue, Steven Gerrard may be very good, but I don't think he is world class, overhyped..or maybe I don't like him anymore because he is a cheat?

Rooney isn't in the top5 strikers in the world...Neither is Torres. Both SHOULD be in due time.

Torres won't sign for United. End of. Phew.


lol.....your opinion isn't the be all and end all mate.........even if you think it is.........;)


Rooney could play in any team in the world and not look out of place.........
He is most definitely world class........
Maradonna says Rooney is better than the best player in the world...."Kaka"

I am quite astonished that you do not recognise him as world class..........not just because you're United fans.........but as soccer fans........??

In nearly every team in the "world 11 team" in this forum.........people have Rooney up front.........lol........we are all United fans...

However I have Ferdinand and Terry at centre back because I consider them world class......
Vidic is superb and I love him, literally but imho I don't think he is quite world class yet........but another season good season and he will be...........



Steven Gerard........I admire him so much to be honest.......
Ask yourself.....where would Liverpool be without him......
He has his faults but you cannot deny the fact that he has almost single-handedly kept Liverpool in the big four and contesting in Europe for the last few seasons......

[Harvo]

However I have Ferdinand and Terry at centre back because I consider them world class......
Vidic is superb and I love him, literally but imho I don't think he is quite world class yet........but another season good season and he will be...........


Vidic > Ferdinand

Ferdinand is overated, he's a great player just not as good as people make out he is. I rate vidic higher.

[CROoney]

However......world class players........there are more than 5 in each position.......it means players who could play in a world class team and not look out of place......who could hold their own in a world-class place......

Rooney could play in any world class team....any team in the world and not look out of place.........hence doesn't this make him world class........??




lol.....your opinion isn't the be all and end all mate.........even if you think it is.........;)


Rooney could play in any team in the world and not look out of place.........
He is most definitely world class........
Maradonna says Rooney is better than the best player in the world...."Kaka"

I am quite astonished that you do not recognise him as world class..........not just because you're United fans.........but as soccer fans........??

In nearly every team in the "world 11 team" in this forum.........people have Rooney up front.........lol........we are all United fans...

However I have Ferdinand and Terry at centre back because I consider them world class......
Vidic is superb and I love him, literally but imho I don't think he is quite world class yet........but another season good season and he will be...........



Steven Gerard........I admire him so much to be honest.......
Ask yourself.....where would Liverpool be without him......
He has his faults but you cannot deny the fact that he has almost single-handedly kept Liverpool in the big four and contesting in Europe for the last few seasons......
Vida has the world class quality... He doesn't need a season or so to prove it imo... Berbatov on the other hand needs to prove a lot. 1 season doesn't make you a player. Riquelme could play in any team , but not constantly and not as a first pick I think. He's a world class player, but not in the league of lampard gerrard, pirlo, scholes, deco and co...

[Keano4taoiseach]

Vida has the world class quality... He doesn't need a season or so to prove it

ya I know......you're actually right....stupid me......

He's Vida the beast........best*.........:)

but you agree with the rest of the post.......:confused:

[CROoney]

ya I know......you're actually right....stupid me......

He's Vida the beast........best*.........:)

but you agree with the rest of the post.......:confused:
yes i do

[CROoney]

oh and... why the **** do we have a thread called Fernando Torres, it's not like scousers have "ronaldo" thread...

[carlyluvsunited]

oh and... why the **** do we have a thread called Fernando Torres, it's not like scousers have "ronaldo" thread...They have in the Anfield Boot room because I started it, lmao......must go to check if they deleted it yet actually :eek:

This thread started out for Torres - but soon wavered off to Rooney :confused:

[PrinceZane]

I can't understand why only 1 person said no to Torres.

Golden rule in my book - once someone goes to a rival team, they are never welcome (especially LP!)

[dlan4327]

Fair enough about not wanting any player that's been at Liverpool. Myself, personally, I'm a bit lackadaisical when it comes to rivalries. I may be a Mancunian but I'm willing to recognise talent where I see it even if they do play for L'Pool, Gunners or, god forbid, Chelski. On that note in regards to Ronaldo7's comment that Torres will never be in that top 5. I think that's a pretty big call to make considering since coming to EPL he's been scoring for fun. If you think about it he's the one L'Pool player who you can honestly say doesn't look like he fits in at Liverpool. In a team committed to compact, tactical, defensive football Torres bursts into life with a pace that just doesn't seem right at Anfield. I'd swear every time I see him I imagine him in an Arsenal shirt and the image seems to fit so much better.

[steps_3314]

we should be happy with what we have.

Anyway, what good is torres to liverpool when benitez will drop him as fast as he'd pick him.

[red_devils4life]

Top 5 strikers in the world:
(Not in order)

1)Didier Drogba
2)Samuel Eto'o
3)Zlatan Ibrahimovic
4)Lionel Messi
5)Ruud van Nistelrooy

Great strikers,but not really the best 5 in the world:

1)Wayne Rooney
2)Carlos Tevez
3)Fernando Torres
4)David Villa
5)Francesco Totti
6)Robin van Persie
7)Dimitar Berbatov
8)Luca Toni
9)Miroslav Klose

[Keano4taoiseach]

Top 5 strikers in the world:
(Not in order)

1)Didier Drogba
2)Samuel Eto'o
3)Zlatan Ibrahimovic
4)Lionel Messi
5)Ruud van Nistelrooy

Great strikers,but not really the best 5 in the world:

1)Wayne Rooney
2)Carlos Tevez
3)Fernando Torres
4)David Villa
5)Francesco Totti
6)Robin van Persie
7)Dimitar Berbatov
8)Luca Toni
9)Miroslav Klose


Henry, Aguerro, .....?


and Messi isn't a striker either......

And I still believe Rooney is most definitely world class.........you have based your rankings on no theory or given no reason for their positions.......????

[RichardsReds]

Back to the 'world class' issue, Steven Gerrard may be very good, but I don't think he is world class, overhyped..or maybe I don't like him anymore because he is a cheat?

Rooney isn't in the top5 strikers in the world...Neither is Torres. Both SHOULD be in due time.

Torres won't sign for United. End of. Phew.

I reckon Gerrard is world class. Maybe the best CM in the premiership.

[Ajant]

Fabregas and Scholes are better i nmy opinion.

Okay, maybe Gerrard is world class(he is Liverpools best player), I did like him but recently I see him as a dickhead and a cheat. There's no denying his talent....

red_devils4life - Everyone's opinion is going to differ, and mine does with yours.But I'm just glad you didn't put Rooney in your top 5 forwards :P

[CROoney]

what guys on here forget is that there are 2 positions in attack--- and you must consider the top 5 for each- RCF and LCF... so there are top 10...and this debate is getting ridicilous now.. People judge on their imppresion not on players' skills... And who are we to say that there ust be the top 5... why not top 6 or 7 or 12..

[Ajant]

You'll find most forwards switch sides like 150 times during a match, so it would be hard if you can have two different categories for forwards.