Qualify/Not Qualify ?

[carlyluvsunited]

Who will qualify......

And who will not qualify ?

[reddwarf]

I am really undecided about Liverpool.

They have to win in Marseille or they are out but if Marseille lose then they are out so it'll be a tight encounter.

The Scousers are in good form at the moment but they may have one eye on the visit from United a few days later and it'll be interesting to see how many players are involved against Marseille and United.

I'm going to have a cheeky bet on them not to qualify.

Celtic need a draw in Milan to be sure - and that result will also guarantee Milan top spot. I'm just wondering whether Milan will want revenge for their defeat in Glasgow. Even if Celtic lose they are still through unless Shaktar beat Benfica so I think they have a great chance.

Rangers just need a draw at home to Lyon so I think they'll do it too.

Although picking 2 Scottish teams to reach the knock out stages is definitely a gamble!!!

[carlyluvsunited]

2 Scottish teams qualifying just carries on the good work of their national team.

Seems the Scots cannot go wrong right now, lol......

As for Liverpool.....

Well they have a nasty habit of getting through just to upset us United fans ffs.

One bonus for us though - Pool have to send their best team to France and play really hard to win - then face United 4 days later......

'Ave it !!!!

[reddwarf]

I've just checked the qualification summary and Liverpool can still qualify if they draw and Besiktas beat Porto :(

It's a bit :confused: but I'll try to explain it...

If Besiktas win and Liverpool draw then Besiktas are on 9 points so will be top of the group.

The other 3 teams will be on 8 points and teams level on points are decided by head-to-head results.

I thought this would mean Liverpool would be out because Marseille would have a better head-to-head record against them.

However, Porto have a better head-to head record against Marseille but a worse head-to-head record against Liverpool and Porto can not be above Marseille AND below Liverpool based on head-to head results because Marseille are above Liverpool!

This means it will be based on head-to-head goal difference. Liverpool hammered Porto 4-1 last night so would go through on the goal difference based on results against Porto and Marseille only i.e. the 8 they scored against Besiktas are not taken into account.

Does that make sense? :confused: :D

[Jazz 16]

Besiktas are pretty poor and wont beat Porto away. We just have to worry about the pool game, which Pool HAVE to win to qualify. A 0-0 would be ideal.

[Lawbreaker1944]

This is great thread! I like these bets, really.

...will qualify....
...won't qualify....

But my sixth sense tells me not to bet on this - and I'm dutifulness, so I won't bet.

[carlyluvsunited]

I've just checked the qualification summary and Liverpool can still qualify if they draw and Besiktas beat Porto :(

It's a bit :confused: but I'll try to explain it...

If Besiktas win and Liverpool draw then Besiktas are on 9 points so will be top of the group.

The other 3 teams will be on 8 points and teams level on points are decided by head-to-head results.

I thought this would mean Liverpool would be out because Marseille would have a better head-to-head record against them.

However, Porto have a better head-to head record against Marseille but a worse head-to-head record against Liverpool and Porto can not be above Marseille AND below Liverpool based on head-to head results because Marseille are above Liverpool!

This means it will be based on head-to-head goal difference. Liverpool hammered Porto 4-1 last night so would go through on the goal difference based on results against Porto and Marseille only i.e. the 8 they scored against Besiktas are not taken into account.

Does that make sense?
WTF :confused:

Besiktas get beaten ........

So what happens then ?

I cant work all this out......

Much better Marseille beat Pool I think - thats easy to work out

[reddwarf]

WTF :confused:

Besiktas get beaten ........

So what happens then ?

I cant work all this out......

Much better Marseille beat Pool I think - thats easy to work out

If Besiktas draw or lose then Liverpool must win

[carlyluvsunited]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh.....

Thanks - I understand that easy :D :o

[Jazz 16]

If Besiktas draw or lose then Liverpool must win


lmao you could have just said that in the first place. Much easier :D

[SolskjaertheLegend]

am i the only one that understood what Dwarf said in the 1st place? :D

[carlyluvsunited]

am i the only one that understood what Dwarf said in the 1st place? :DNo......

You're the only one who 'claims' he knew.........:p

[-zuco-]

I may be wrong here, but I don't think the Besiktas result matters if Liverpool draw as they would go out anyway. As it stands, Liverpool and marseilles are level on 7 points. A draw would put them both on 8 points, but Marseilles have beaten Liverpool and therefore have a better head to head record. So unless Besiktas were to win, a draw between Liverpool and Marseille would see the French team go through as group runners up?

Edit: Just found this on the BBC website:

Put simply, if Liverpool beat Marseille in their final group game then they will definitely go through. If they lose they will definitely go out. Complications arise should Liverpool and Marseille draw. Marseille beat Liverpool at Anfield earlier in the campaign, meaning they would edge the Reds out on the basis of that result, assuming Porto beat or draw with Besiktas in the group's other match.

But if Liverpool and Marseille draw and Besiktas pull off a shock by beating Porto, the Reds would go through. In this scenario, Liverpool, Marseille and Porto would all be on eight points. Liverpool would go through with the best goal difference in the head-to-head matches between the three teams.

That may explain it better :)

[sianluvsunited]

liverpool will now lose in france so we dont need to worry working this things out any more. lol. bloody useless they are and deserve beatings off marseile. especialy gerrard we all hate him in our house lol.

[The_Red_Prince]

yeesh liverpool are on peak form at the moment but they have to face us a few days later.Hope they get a few injuries or fatigue then we can capitalise.

[Keano4taoiseach]

No......

You're the only one who 'claims' he knew.........:p

LMAO...

Besiktas are pretty poor and wont beat Porto away. We just have to worry about the pool game, which Pool HAVE to win to qualify. A 0-0 would be ideal.

yeah exactly........

Oh how I love to see the scousers squirm under pressure...........;)

[reddwarf]

I think this is the perfect example of UEFA over complicating things!!!