Brown on his way out ??

[CROoney]

Manchester United defender Wes Brown has today been linked with a January
move to Newcastle United after it was revealed he has rejected a new four-year
deal at the club.

Brown, whose contract runs out at Old Trafford in the summer was apparently
offered £50,000 a week but for some reason or another he has rejected.

Brown has been at the club for 11 years now and on numerous occasions he has
been linked with moves away from the club. Although Brown has played many
many games for the Premier League giants, he has never been a regular starter
with the likes of Gary Neville, Nemanja Vidic and Rio Ferdinand keeping him out of
the team in recent months and years.

It would be a terrific signing for Newcastle if they were to get Brown because one
thing Brown always gives you is maximum effort. Newcastle really need
defenders at the moment with the side letting in 24 goals already this season.

Brown has been a great servant to United .

Now, before y'all start jumping down my throat, I have to say that I respect the
guy very much. BUT my respect for him started only few months ago when he
proved that he CAN play consecutive matches before making a crucial blunder. I
think that he has never had a quality to be a first team regular at United but
could be an asset to Newcastle or Pompey or to the clubs in their reach.

He is a sort of player who will play solid, good match and then at the 85th minute
- boom, a blackout . and the result of that blackout is us trailing the result.I
respect him for giving 100 percent and I'm not angry on him for his
disatvantages but I'm angry on some fans who even go that far to call
him "world class". Then I start to number all those mistakes he caused to prove
them wrong ( and that's when all the trouble begins, because a lot of people
when proved to be wrong start insulting ). Anyway - Wes, you've been offered
what you deserve, if you don't want to take it - goodbye and thank you for the
memories.

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[reddwarf]

Perhaps there are some minor details in the contract that still need resolving. It's not just a case of money and length of contract - there are usually add-ons and clauses etc.

Although if there is a problem I'd rather let him move on for free in the summer than let him leave in January. We're already short of cover at left-back, so the last we thing we need is our right-back cover leaving, and we don't know how long Neville will take to get back his match fitness after being out for so long.

[red_devils4life]

Hell NO! Gary Neville hasn't came back for us yet, & he wants 2 leave?! Somemore SAF revealed that he doesn't want to purchase anymore players in January! Looks like danger is ahead of us.....

[andycole9]

i agree with RD....wes is a local lad who is united through and through....he loves it at utd and he's satisfied with the amount of games he gets when every one is fit

[rooneyNo10]

He won't leave. He loves united and has done all his life. If he did tho we do have danny simpson who is actually quite good!

[Justice]

lol no. Newcastle are going down this season.

[RichardsReds]

Newcastle can **** off. No way we should sell Wes! We need him, he is far too good (for newcastle) and a vastly under rated player

[Red Devil]

Wes has just signed a new contract hasn't he?

[SolskjaertheLegend]

Newcastle can **** off. No way we should sell Wes! We need him, he is far too good (for newcastle) and a vastly under rated player

i agree - he always does a good job when called upon

[Keano4taoiseach]

Wes Brown has got a tatoo on his body that's says honopur and loyalty.......

He won't leave...........he is the kind of player we need at United and the kind who is sadly dying out in football...

He is a magnificent professional......just like solskjaer was and giggs and scholesy....

Great player for us and didn't Fergie once describe him as the most "naturally talented defender he's ever had"......??

[Agind]

Wes has just signed a new contract hasn't he?

I red that the reject a new contract that offered.

[Nirk]

do a straight swap...brown for car or taylor... whichever defender it is that has been linked with us??

[Red Devil]

There is nothing wrong with Brown. Why do some of you want rid of him? You cannot put a price on consistency and loyalty!

Be ashamed!

[Keano's fan]

do a straight swap...brown for car or taylor... whichever defender it is that has been linked with us??
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL You'd give up Wes Brown, a loyal servant, a very good defender, an england international and A MANCHESTER lad for one of two average players ?

[CROoney]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL You'd give up Wes Brown, a loyal servant, a very good defender, an england international and A MANCHESTER lad for one of two average players ?
mate - a fact that is is from manchester is his biggest advantage- he's average just like those two. mate, don't get me wrong, i don't hate him or anything but i just think if he didn't play for united he would be regard as an average player. he's had so many mistakes . direct ones and indirect. he's positioning is average, he gives away posession too easily , his attacking play is average. but he played very good previous end of season.

[GeordieMancunian]

Newcastle? Why does he want to go there? I think it's because he wants to be a regular starter for United, and not just someone who can fill in for someone like Gary Neville, think that's why he wants to leave.

Or he might be keeping his options open, he might just wait and see what happens and then decide later, I'll doubt he'll leave though.

[Keano's fan]

mate - a fact that is is from manchester is his biggest advantage- he's average just like those two. mate, don't get me wrong, i don't hate him or anything but i just think if he didn't play for united he would be regard as an average player. he's had so many mistakes . direct ones and indirect. he's positioning is average, he gives away posession too easily , his attacking play is average. but he played very good previous end of season.
Yes so he's average now and obviously sir Alex, Sven and McClaren know absolutely nothing about football judging by the way theyve always held him in a high regard.

You talk about mistakes, when was the last mistake he made ? 2004 ? His postioning is decent not average and his DEFENDING (yes a central defender best quality is to defend not to attack) is very solid.

[CROoney]

Yes so he's average now and obviously sir Alex, Sven and McClaren know absolutely nothing about football judging by the way theyve always held him in a high regard.

You talk about mistakes, when was the last mistake he made ? 2004 ? His postioning is decent not average and his DEFENDING (yes a central defender best quality is to defend not to attack) is very solid.
Dario Simic has been a player for Milan and Inter for ages now , and you can't call him more then average, can you ?Just as Kaladzhe ! The reason why he's there is that he's satisfied with a abench role and occasional game. Doesn't complain. That's the same reason Brown 's been here. Well, at least was... I didn't want to do this, but here we go - least season when As Roma scored their first goal, he was covering no one. His player was left unmarked to score ( there - direct fault ). See it again and you'll see.I was the only one to comment on that . Furtheremore - their second goal , where was he ? Watching Vucinic, zhe was the nearest player to him, and he failed to react - there - indirect mistake . Another mistake was against Everton where he failed to block Fernandez I think. The boy had a clear shot at goal. Brown was watching him. Poor defending there. Against the City who gave away a penalty ? Rio ? No. Vida ? Don't think so. And don't tell me that he didn't touch him ! He did ! You could see the knee contacts very clearly . Sure, Ball fell like being hit by a bullet, but that doesn't cover Brown's naivity in that case, does it ? There were more but I just can't remember at the moment. But i think this is more than enough to brand him as unreliable. Oh and being average is not bad. Why should it be ? It's just not great.
When someone mentions the phrase "English are overated", Brown springs to my mind. Carrick too. Carrick is not a bad player, but overrated for his price. For the amount of money we paid for him, he should be flying in every match

[Red Devil]

Brown is good enough to hold a place in 99% of the Premier teams. What basis for comparison is being used here? He is a good player, he was a good player and he will continue to be a good player for United. He has been in the first team squad whilst players have come and gone and he remains a first team squad. I think its easy to see why Fergie is in charge at OT, and not one of the members from here?

[Keano's fan]

How many games have Simic played for Milan over the past few years ? Now how many games have Wes played for United ? Again, Wes wouldnt have been picked for england if he was just an average player who just plays occasionaly. Out of the 'mistakes' you've picked out I can fault three more players for them other than Wes. Romas first goal, why did nobody stopped the ball from getting into the box ? For their second goal, why did nobody close who ever took the initial shot down ? Why didnt Van Der Sar just punched it out of play ?Againsts everton, how can you leave a player one on one with the last defender ? And it was a wonder goal, you can criticise Wes all you like about it but it was a 25+ yards out hit that shouldve been saved but it was hit too well and theres nothing that couldve been done about it.

Thats why I get definsive whenever someone mentions wes. Because his critics pick on EVERY little thing hes involved in. I can talk about goals that Vidic or Ro couldve done better to stop, but I dont, unlike some people who cant wait for a chance however small it might be to take a dig at Brown.

[Red Devil]

Thats why I get definsive whenever someone mentions wes. Because his critics pick on EVERY little thing hes involved in. I can talk about goals that Vidic or Ro couldve done better to stop, but I dont, unlike some people who cant wait for a chance however small it might be to take a dig at Brown.

People who do not know what they are talking about, thats who! People who want World Cup winners from every country, in every position, spoilt by the games console of FIFA 2050 or something that allows pretend managers to buy player A, B or C.

This is the real world people - it does not happen.

[nabcake]

Brown is good enough to hold a place in 99% of the Premier teams. What basis for comparison is being used here? He is a good player, he was a good player and he will continue to be a good player for United. He has been in the first team squad whilst players have come and gone and he remains a first team squad. I think its easy to see why Fergie is in charge at OT, and not one of the members from here?

agree:) i love wes brown

[Clarky101]

ever since brown came on to the man utd first team scene a few years back now i have never been a massive fan. i mean sure his a loyal survent who gives it his all but at the end of the day he makes to many mistakes and gives to much possesion away to be a first teamer. if his happy to settle with squad rotation then keep him, his good for that like he has been. but if he wants first team football then keep him till summer as garys backup then were sign a young right back with promosing talent.

[CROoney]

How many games have Simic played for Milan over the past few years ? Now how many games have Wes played for United ? Again, Wes wouldnt have been picked for england if he was just an average player who just plays occasionaly. Out of the 'mistakes' you've picked out I can fault three more players for them other than Wes. Romas first goal, why did nobody stopped the ball from getting into the box ? For their second goal, why did nobody close who ever took the initial shot down ? Why didnt Van Der Sar just punched it out of play ?Againsts everton, how can you leave a player one on one with the last defender ? And it was a wonder goal, you can criticise Wes all you like about it but it was a 25+ yards out hit that shouldve been saved but it was hit too well and theres nothing that couldve been done about it.

Thats why I get definsive whenever someone mentions wes. Because his critics pick on EVERY little thing hes involved in. I can talk about goals that Vidic or Ro couldve done better to stop, but I dont, unlike some people who cant wait for a chance however small it might be to take a dig at Brown.


How many games have Simic played for Milan over the past few years ? - over the last 3 seasons around 60 ...few more few less...Again, Wes wouldnt have been picked for england if he was just an average player who just plays occasionaly. - a fact that he played when someone was injured doesn't prove anything... bent played for england, vassell too, phill neville ( don't tell me he's world class ), bary, they have all played for them ... and who are england to be honest - hardly a world class team ...a bunch of underperformers. Carragher was almost begged to play in Russia...And Is Brown still a part of England team ?
The thing is - for the amount of games he gets he makes a lot of mistakes...Against Everton he wasn't one on one he Fernandez was Brown's man.I'm not taking a dig, I'm just being realistic....

Brown is good enough to hold a place in 99% of the Premier teams. What basis for comparison is being used here? He is a good player, he was a good player and he will continue to be a good player for United. He has been in the first team squad whilst players have come and gone and he remains a first team squad. I think its easy to see why Fergie is in charge at OT, and not one of the members from here?
LOL - ask any Arsenal,Chelsea or Liverpool fan would they take Brown. He is not a first team material. It's a good thing Fergie KNOWS his job to keep him out of the FIRST TEAM when everyone is fit ! And for that it is a good thing that he's our manager not someone who think Brown would be a first team starter in 99% of the teams . LMAO. don't make me sound like I don't want to. It seems that I hate him and slate him, but I don't really. I just think he's average

[Keano's fan]

Your being realistic by wanting a world class defender as backup ? And who said that Wes is world class ?

[CROoney]

Your being realistic by wanting a world class defender as backup ? And who said that Wes is world class ?
? I said that he's a good back up and we should keep him, but who ever says he's great and stuff is wrong imo. He's not great , he's good... Sorry for misunderstanding

[Keano's fan]

So he's moved from average to good now ? =S

Hmmm sure. In my personal opinion, Wes would start for every premiership team outside of the top4. If that means he's average then yeah Wes Brown is very average =]

[ARBUCKS]

I hope Brown stays, This season is probably the best he has played, He is a great player and i hope he stays.

I would say now that i know is he gona stay

[CROoney]

So he's moved from average to good now ? =S

Hmmm sure. In my personal opinion, Wes would start for every premiership team outside of the top4. If that means he's average then yeah Wes Brown is very average =]
and that's what I was trying to prove : P ... a good back up, and average player overall. imo average is good. 1 to 5, average is 3 in our school system with 1 being the worst. And we call 3 - "good"

I hope Brown stays, This season is probably the best he has played, He is a great player and i hope he stays.

I would say now that i know is he gona stay

See Keano ? Comments like this one... People toss around with a word great far too easily

[olupico]

I sincerely hope wes brown stays. though he might be an average player but then he stood in for Gary and can play anywhere along the back line when the need arises.

[Keano's fan]

[QUOTE=See Keano ? Comments like this one... People toss around with a word great far too easily[/QUOTE]
Thats not a reason to criticise every thing Wes does though.

[Jazz 16]

There is nothing wrong with Brown. Why do some of you want rid of him? You cannot put a price on consistency and loyalty!

Be ashamed!

Agree 100% and with Keano's fan also.....

Wes has been a loyal servant to the club. Making around 270 appearances for his beloved United without moaning or giving out has to be admired. When he is called upon he ALWAYS does his job in the team with no fuss whatsoever. Wes deserves a nice new contract. He has earned it.

[CROoney]

Thats not a reason to criticise every thing Wes does though.
When have I criticised every thing Wes does ? You "pulled me for the tongue" to name a few mistakes. I said I didn't want to do it. You won't see Sheasy stalling for the contract though

[Keano's fan]

So you know for a fact that Wes is stalling for the contract ?

[Red Devil]

Cast your minds back to when it was "reported" in forums that Rio was "holding out for a bigger contract" and fans went ballistic - calling him greedy etc etc.

When the truth finally came out, via the Board, the salary had been accepted on day 1 of the offer, it was never an issue. What had caused the delay was that the legal team who had Rio's papers had left it on a desk and done a bunk for a holiday!!! They did not sort it out until a fortnight later!!

Do not assume that Wes is doing the same - he is a true RED and is not "holding out" for anything.

Most of that which is being discussed here is conjecture and has no basis in fact whatsoever.

[CROoney]

Cast your minds back to when it was "reported" in forums that Rio was "holding out for a bigger contract" and fans went ballistic - calling him greedy etc etc.

When the truth finally came out, via the Board, the salary had been accepted on day 1 of the offer, it was never an issue. What had caused the delay was that the legal team who had Rio's papers had left it on a desk and done a bunk for a holiday!!! They did not sort it out until a fortnight later!!

Do not assume that Wes is doing the same - he is a true RED and is not "holding out" for anything.

Most of that which is being discussed here is conjecture and has no basis in fact whatsoever.
I'm not saying he's stalling, I just assumed, but you on the other hand know for a FACT that he's not ? Don't make me laugh... What are you , his brother

[Keano's fan]

We dont know for a fact, but we do tend to give our players the benefit of the doubt.

[CROoney]

We dont know for a fact, but we do tend to give our players the benefit of the doubt.
fair enough

[Red Devil]

I'm not saying he's stalling, I just assumed, but you on the other hand know for a FACT that he's not ? Don't make me laugh... What are you , his brother his sister in law thrice removed actually!

Where does it state that "I know this for a fact"?

Your post is just conjecture and guesswork; it has no basic in fact. You just guessing.

[RichardsReds]

Cast your minds back to when it was "reported" in forums that Rio was "holding out for a bigger contract" and fans went ballistic - calling him greedy etc etc.

When the truth finally came out, via the Board, the salary had been accepted on day 1 of the offer, it was never an issue. What had caused the delay was that the legal team who had Rio's papers had left it on a desk and done a bunk for a holiday!!! They did not sort it out until a fortnight later!!

Do not assume that Wes is doing the same - he is a true RED and is not "holding out" for anything.

Most of that which is being discussed here is conjecture and has no basis in fact whatsoever.


Where did you hear all that?

I was certain Rio was holding out for money. Seems to suit his personality as well.

[Red Devil]

It was on Sky and on official web site not long after. Rio was forced to explain the delay as the club said nothing!!

[Keano4taoiseach]

his sister in law thrice removed actually!

Where does it state that "I know this for a fact"?

Your post is just conjecture and guesswork; it has no basic in fact. You just guessing.


:D ...more like hi b**ch........;)

[Red Devil]

:D ...more like hi b**ch........;)Be afraid, be very afraid!

[red_devils4life]

Agree 100% and with Keano's fan also.....

Wes has been a loyal servant to the club. Making around 270 appearances for his beloved United without moaning or giving out has to be admired. When he is called upon he ALWAYS does his job in the team with no fuss whatsoever. Wes deserves a nice new contract. He has earned it.

Agree 110%! Ppl who wans him out of OT r simply (deleted!):mad:

[CROoney]

his sister in law thrice removed actually!

Where does it state that "I know this for a fact"?

Your post is just conjecture and guesswork; it has no basic in fact. You just guessing.
by saying this - Do not assume that Wes is doing the same - he is a true RED and is not "holding out" for anything.

Most of that which is being discussed here is conjecture and has no basis in fact whatsoever
is like saying that what i say is not a fact and you're saying facts...but i guess i misinterpreted... but how can you say he is not stalling when knowing he hasn't signed yet

[Red Devil]

by saying this - Do not assume that Wes is doing the same - he is a true RED and is not "holding out" for anything.

Most of that which is being discussed here is conjecture and has no basis in fact whatsoever
is like saying that what i say is not a fact and you're saying facts...but i guess i misinterpreted... but how can you say he is not stalling when knowing he hasn't signed yet I assume he is not stalling, just as you assumed he was. Simple answer is that, as yet, WE do not know. Like I said, we are speculating.

[CROoney]

I assume he is not stalling, just as you assumed he was. Simple answer is that, as yet, WE do not know. Like I said, we are speculating.
aren't we all, aren't we all :p

[Keano4taoiseach]

Be afraid, be very afraid!


oooooh........be nice......just teasing......;)

aren't we all, aren't we all :p

Fergie won't give us any information anyway...........:p

[samdav]

Sir Alex Ferguson insists the club have made their final offer to Wes Brown over a new contract.

The defender's current deal runs out next summer and come 1 January he is free to speak to other clubs.

Sir Alex would like the 28-year-old to stay at Old Trafford, but admits the decision is now down to Brown himself.

"Nothing has been agreed and that's entirely up to Wes," explained the boss on Friday.

"We've had several meetings with his agent and that is difficult as you can imagine - some agents are difficult [to deal with].

"He's rejected one offer and we feel we've made him a good final offer and it really is up to him now. We won't be going back [with another one].

"It's a possibility [we could lose him] and that would be a disappointment."

Brown signed for the club as a trainee in July 1996 and has made over 270 appearances for the Reds. The centre-back has been a reliable squad member throughout that time and is currently enjoying his most prolonged run in the side, ably filling in for the injured Gary Neville at right-back.

[RichardsReds]

If we lose wes because we were not able to offer him as much as other players that'll be tragic. Surely its more financially sound to resign him for more than go out and have to spend £10+ million on a new RB. Its not like Neville is getting younger/fitter.

I really hope he signs.

[Keano4taoiseach]

In fairness it must be hard on the lad........

Everyone is talking about who will we sign for right back..........and alot don't think Wes is good enough to succeed Neville........but I think he is.........

agents.....all w**kers tbh........:rolleyes:


Please sign a contract Wes.............Comeeeeeeeee oooon Wesley........

[RichardsReds]

We were talking about that before the season kicked off alot. Now he has definately shown he can handle the job. I don't think we need another RB if we keep brown

[Keano4taoiseach]

We were talking about that before the season kicked off alot. Now he has definately shown he can handle the job. I don't think we need another RB if we keep brown


does he know that.........???



He would definitely sign if that was the case mate..........:)

[RichardsReds]

Does he know what? That he is good enough or fans aren't / or are talking about signing a new RB?

Either way i just want him to sign. He has been top notch this season. I'd be very shocked if any man utd fans disagreed.

[Keano4taoiseach]

Does he know what? That he is good enough or fans aren't / or are talking about signing a new RB?

Either way i just want him to sign. He has been top notch this season. I'd be very shocked if any man utd fans disagreed.


both....moreso about the potential signing of a new RB................


Of course I want him to stay but I can't understand any other reason for not signing............:confused: .....to say the least.........

[Red Devil]

Threads merged, we do not need multi threads on same subject.

where is your "source"?