Ethnic Killing Still Going On!

[Red Devil]

I have been watching Al Jazeera for the past three hours or so, and they reported on an incident which took place on the Serbia - Albania border a few weeks ago, and revisited the Albanian village of Corba (sp) where it took place.

It was reported that three children had wandered across the bridge over the river which forms a natural border between the two countries. On the opposite side of the border in a field was a Serbian tilling the ground. He started shouting and swearing at the children, so they decided to turn around and go back.

As they did so, another two Serbians appeared, with dogs, which they set upon the children. The childrens route back across the bridge was cut off so they had to run to the river and jump in. The river had been swollen with snow thaw and was freezing.

The children tried to swim across but the current took them away, drowning two brothers. The third managed to reach the opposite side but had to remain in the water under some bushes as the Serbians had crossed the bridge into Albania and were searching for the children or their bodies. They eventually left and the child was able to crawl out and collapsed on the bank where he was found later on. He survived after treatment.

The UN and the authorities in Serbia refused to act stating lack of evidence.

I am not looking for a war of words here but I feel that incidents such as these should be widely circulated and mentioned to keep us from thinking that these problems have not gone away and innocent people are still being murdered in the cause of nationalism and hate.

[-zuco-]

Two kids? It's a sad loss that two innocent children have died and the third has lost his/her brothers, but almost a million people have been killed in Iraq, that's not war, that's genocide!

[CROoney]

I have been watching Al Jazeera for the past three hours or so, and they reported on an incident which took place on the Serbia - Albania border a few weeks ago, and revisited the Albanian village of Corba (sp) where it took place.

It was reported that three children had wandered across the bridge over the river which forms a natural border between the two countries. On the opposite side of the border in a field was a Serbian tilling the ground. He started shouting and swearing at the children, so they decided to turn around and go back.

As they did so, another two Serbians appeared, with dogs, which they set upon the children. The childrens route back across the bridge was cut off so they had to run to the river and jump in. The river had been swollen with snow thaw and was freezing.

The children tried to swim across but the current took them away, drowning two brothers. The third managed to reach the opposite side but had to remain in the water under some bushes as the Serbians had crossed the bridge into Albania and were searching for the children or their bodies. They eventually left and the child was able to crawl out and collapsed on the bank where he was found later on. He survived after treatment.

The UN and the authorities in Serbia refused to act stating lack of evidence.

I am not looking for a war of words here but I feel that incidents such as these should be widely circulated and mentioned to keep us from thinking that these problems have not gone away and innocent people are still being murdered in the cause of nationalism and hate.
AND YET - THEY ARE ON THE BRINK OF JOINING EU !

[-zuco-]

AND YET - THEY ARE ON THE BRINK OF JOINING EU !
That's to take us one step closer to a World Government, or as Gordon Brown, Tony Blair, George bush snr and jnr like to call it, "A New World Order"

[Red Devil]

I am oh so in favour of one world govt with NO RELIGION

[versa]

I am oh so in favour of one world govt with NO RELIGION

Ever heard of freemasonry? Control, control, control....

[CROoney]

I am oh so in favour of one world govt with NO RELIGION
why no religion ?

[-zuco-]

I am oh so in favour of one world govt with NO RELIGION

The same people asking for a one world government are the same ones who want to reduce the world population down to 200 million in total. And the same ones who think biological weapons that can target a specific race can be a "politically useful tool". Oh my God!!! RD is a neo-con :eek:

Only joking mate :)

[carlyluvsunited]

I am oh so in favour of one world govt with NO RELIGIONSaid in the style of Mr A Hitler ... :p


What about the 1.9 million murdered in Darfur by the Janjaweed ... :confused:

[CROoney]

Said in the style of Mr A Hitler ... :p


What about the 1.9 million murdered in Darfur by the Janjaweed ... :confused:
or mr. stalin ( right ? ) who killed a lot more of his own people than Hitler killed Jews

[carlyluvsunited]

or mr. stalin ( right ? ) who killed a lot more of his own people than Hitler killed JewsI don't talk about communists :mad:

You and I both see life under them and it's no good !!!

[-zuco-]

I don't talk about communists :mad:

You and I both see life under them and it's no good !!!

Fascists are no good either, but that's who we have running the most powerful countries these days.

[Red Devil]

why no religion ?religion is the route of all evil

HEY! Get back to the topic will you? How the hell did Stalin and Hitler get into a thread about Serbian nationalism? Try Milosovic for a change!

[versa]

religion is the route of all evil
HEY! Get back to the topic will you? How the hell did Stalin and Hitler get into a thread about Serbian nationalism? Try Milosovic for a change!

Religion, not of the Truth, is the route of all evil.:rolleyes:

[-zuco-]

I would question the validity of your topic RD. I know that two children dying is a tragedy and should not have happened, but two children are a drop in the ocean compared to what is happening in other regions of the world

[haggler]

Ever heard of freemasonry? Control, control, control....
i would like to invoke the grand architect on this one 33 is the magic number . ethnic cleansing concentration camps etc all british specialities in the past . the arms manufacturers need bogeymen for their trade to flourish so a little murder and mayhem keeps the wheels oiled . religion the cause of many of world conflicts but humans killed each other well before organised religion . for me its a good thread as most conflicts like slavic or irish one never go away they just get less publicity . have punishment beatings by paramilitary groups stopped in ni ? have they hell as like they just get called drug addicts being taught lesson by outraged communities

[Red Devil]

I would question the validity of your topic RD. I know that two children dying is a tragedy and should not have happened, but two children are a drop in the ocean compared to what is happening in other regions of the worldI completely 100% totally agree BUT my story is about 2 young Albanians playing in their innocent youth and being murdered, because that is what it was, by two heroes of nationalism, Serbs, in the name of hatred. Its a very "brave" thing they have done and all the more so because the Serbian authorities refused to do anything about it, all in the name of nationalism and hate. A mother in a small village being rebuilt after the serbs flattened it with tanks, had lost two sons.

I am a father I know what it must be like. When you are parents, you will see why I am so upset about these children. If I were their father, I would be in Serbia now - killing. Next week, I have my 6 month old grandson for a week, and I'll tell you this, there is nothing I wouldn't do to protect him, nothing.

[CROoney]

religion is the route of all evil

HEY! Get back to the topic will you? How the hell did Stalin and Hitler get into a thread about Serbian nationalism? Try Milosovic for a change!
No - a person ( human ) is the route of all evil - not religion --- Jesus or Mohammad or Budha didn't inspire evil - humans did...

I would question the validity of your topic RD. I know that two children dying is a tragedy and should not have happened, but two children are a drop in the ocean compared to what is happening in other regions of the world
or 9/11.... that's only a drop in the ocean mate

[carlyluvsunited]

my story is about 2 young Albanians playing in their innocent youth and being murdered, because that is what it was, by two heroes of nationalism, Serbs.

But why choose these 2 children and not the 500,000 that have died in Darfur ...

Or the 120,000 orphans of Romania ...

Or the 50,000 street children of Mexico ...

The 1000 children who die daily in Africa because there is no clean water ...

The story you chose is sad of course - but isolated ...

A one off ...

[-zuco-]

No - a person ( human ) is the route of all evil - not religion --- Jesus or Mohammad or Budha didn't inspire evil - humans did...


or 9/11.... that's only a drop in the ocean mate

3000 people died on 9/11 and the subsequent wars have seen over a million killed in Afghanistan and Iraq! Please think before you post.

[CROoney]

3000 pople died on 9/11 and the subsequent wars have seen over a million killed in Afghanistan and Iraq! Please think before you post.
yes, but what i was trying to say is that everyone keeps mentioning 9/11, not it's subsequent ( afganistan and iraq ...maybe i left a wrong impression - sorry. But what bothers me is that everyone keeps mantioning 9/11 where 3 000 people died and no one mentions Srebrenica where 200 000 people died. And I find stupid this "attack" on the guy who opened up a thread about those 2 kids. It is disrespecting towards them. If you want to open up a thread about NWO - fine, but we must pay respect to them and stay on topic.
sorry for misunderstandings, maybe that was a bit too fast from me, but I didn't want to underestimate any fallen life

[-zuco-]

yes, but what i was trying to say is that everyone keeps mentioning 9/11, not it's subsequent ( afganistan and iraq ...maybe i left a wrong impression - sorry. But what bothers me is that everyone keeps mantioning 9/11 where 3 000 people died and no one mentions Srebrenica where 200 000 people died. And I find stupid this "attack" on the guy who opened up a thread about those 2 kids. It is disrespecting towards them. If you want to open up a thread about NWO - fine, but we must pay respect to them and stay on topic.
sorry for misunderstandings

I don't think anybody is attacking RD, just wondering why these two children should matter more than the other millions who die needlessly each year.

What are you on about that everyone keeps mentioning 9/11?:confused: Read the whole thread again and you'll find that the only person who mentioned 9/11 was YOU (and me in reply to your post).

or 9/11.... that's only a drop in the ocean mate

The point of the other thread on 9/11 was not to highlight the fact that many people died, but to highlight the fact that they died at the hands of their own government.

[versa]

[QUOTE=CROoney from Dubrovnik]No - a person ( human ) is the route of all evil - not religion --- Jesus or Mohammad or Budha didn't inspire evil - humans did.../QUOTE]

Yes, sin (thus evil) became prevalent, thanks to Adam and Eve... And man is separated from God, for "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God"...But the Truth will set man free and reconcile man to God.

P.S. Mindful this is a football forum, we should just touch base on our diverse beliefs and stop short of dwelling deeper. PM would be most apt if any party wants to engage deeper into religious beliefs, I believe.

[-zuco-]

P.S. Mindful this is a football forum, we should just touch base on our diverse beliefs and stop short of dwelling deeper. PM would be most apt if any party wants to engage deeper into religious beliefs, I believe.

This is "The Pub", it's for non-football talk which means anything goes, within reason of course.

[CROoney]

I don't think anybody is attacking RD, just wondering why these two children should matter more than the other millions who die needlessly each year.
What are you on about that everyone keeps mentioning 9/11?:confused: Read the whole thread again and you'll find that the only person who mentioned 9/11 was YOU (and me in reply to your post).



The point of the other thread on 9/11 was not to highlight the fact that many people died, but to highlight the fact that they died at the hands of their own government.I didn't mean on this particular forum, I meant all the medias in the world ...


There should be no particular reason why a person openes up a thread. It is of individual basis ( sorry for the expression, I don't know how to put it better ) . I for one felt that there should be a thread about "Poor Britney" beacuse I was shocked by the way media threated her state . Someone else maybe doesn't feel it is important to discuss it, because there are other examples of one's misfortune or tragedies in the world, but I'm not talking about others, I'm talking about this particular tragedy because I wanted to show how soulless ( paparazzi) can one be through her example.that's why I brought Stalin into conversation - because no one seems to speak about him
again - sorry for misunderstanding
[QUOTE=CROoney from Dubrovnik]No - a person ( human ) is the route of all evil - not religion --- Jesus or Mohammad or Budha didn't inspire evil - humans did.../QUOTE]

Yes, sin (thus evil) became prevalent, thanks to Adam and Eve... And man is separated from God, for "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God"...But the Truth will set man free and reconcile man to God.P.S. Mindful this is a football forum, we should just touch base on our diverse beliefs and stop short of dwelling deeper. PM would be most apt if any party wants to engage deeper into religious beliefs, I believe.
i know about that - and believe me - I've accepted it - you're aiming at the wrong believer mate ;) ... I only gave up persuading people to agree with me and to accept The Truth

[versa]

This is "The Pub", it's for non-football talk which means anything goes, within reason of course.

Even for taboo subjects?

[versa]

[/COLOR]I didn't mean on this particular forum, I meant all the medias in the world ...


There should be no particular reason why a person openes up a thread. It is of individual basis ( sorry for the expression, I don't know how to put it better ) . I for one felt that there should be a thread about "Poor Britney" beacuse I was shocked by the way media threated her state . Someone else maybe doesn't feel it is important to discuss it, because there are other examples of one's misfortune or tragedies in the world, but I'm not talking about others, I'm talking about this particular tragedy because I wanted to show how soulless ( paparazzi) can one be through her example.that's why I brought Stalin into conversation - because no one seems to speak about him
again - sorry for misunderstanding
[QUOTE=versa]
i know about that - and believe me - I've accepted it - you're aiming at the wrong believer mate ;) ... I only gave up persuading people to agree with me and to accept The Truth

Lol. I didn't aim at you or anybody in particular. Just airing my view cautiously and respectfully. Trust me, bro.;)

[-zuco-]

Even for taboo subjects?

I haven't seen anything in this thread that should be regarded as "taboo".

[versa]

I haven't seen anything in this thread that should be regarded as "taboo".

Further and deeper discussions about religious matters can become taboo in a multi-religious forum.

[CROoney]

Further and deeper discussions about religious matters can become taboo in a multi-religious forum.
if people are considerate - there is no taboo in a dictionary
@ zuco - did you see my reply do you know what I meant now ?

[-zuco-]

if people are considerate - there is no taboo in a dictionary
@ zuco - did you see my reply do you know what I meant now ?

Not really lol, but I guess it just comes down to personal opinions about what's important.

[CROoney]

Not really lol, but I guess it just comes down to personal opinions about what's important.
lol - long story short - I think if anyone feels the need to open a thread bout something - he should do that without further explanation why the thread about THAT. It is his opinion, those are his feelings. I'm a bit angry when I see the famous 9/11 anniversary all over the world and yet I bet that in States there isn't a single channel reporting on anniversary of Srebrenica - but that's just my opinion

[versa]

Btw, zuco, why weren't you even nominated as one of the candidates for Best Debator in the forum?:eek: Take it as a compliment from me, trust me.:)

[-zuco-]

lol - long story short - I think if anyone feels the need to open a thread bout something - he should do that without further explanation why the thread about THAT. It is his opinion, those are his feelings. I'm a bit angry when I see the famous 9/11 anniversary all over the world and yet I bet that in States there isn't a single channel reporting on anniversary of Srebrenica - but that's just my opinion

Because the media around the world is controlled by Rupert Murdoch who licks America's arse. It's as simple as that really. :(

[-zuco-]

Btw, zuco, why weren't you even nominated as one of the candidates for Best Debator in the forum?:eek: Take it as a compliment from me, trust me.:)
I don't know, but thanks :o

[CROoney]

Because the media around the world is controlled by Rupert Murdoch who licks America's arse. It's as simple as that really. :(
a bit too simple wouldn't you say ?any proofs ?btw - how do you get all those infos about 9/11 ? let me guess - some sort of media or own research which comes from collecting "media" informations

[-zuco-]

a bit too simple wouldn't you say ?any proofs ?btw - how do you get all those infos about 9/11 ? let me guess - some sort of media or own research which comes from collecting "media" informations

Proof that he controls the media? Well he owns most of it, isn't that enough?

I've researched 9/11 since 9/11, the first alarm bells that something strange was going on came on 10/11. I mostly use the powers of google to do my research.

[CROoney]

Proof that he controls the media? Well he owns most of it, isn't that enough?

I've researched 9/11 since 9/11, the first alarm bells that something strange was going on came on 10/11. I mostly use the powers of google to do my research.
you can find every kind of junk overthere - how can you "distinguish" ( is that the expression ) the true evidence from junk ? take wikipedia for ex
oh and - i meant you meant "the world media"

[-zuco-]

you can find every kind of junk overthere - how can you "distinguish" ( is that the expression ) the true evidence from junk ? take wikipedia for ex
oh and - i meant you meant "the world media"

I only take things seriously if they have some kind of evidence to back them up. With a bit of common sense you can sort the fact from the fiction.

[CROoney]

I only take things seriously if they have some kind of evidence to back them up. With a bit of common sense you can sort the fact from the fiction.
but how do you know what's an evidence ? for ex - did you see live those apparantly "fake " parts of the plains that crashed into pentagon - or did you feel the smell of that subtsance used in missiles that was in the air around pentagon - or someone said it on the media which is well contolled ?

[-zuco-]

but how do you know what's an evidence ? for ex - did you see live those apparantly "fake " parts of the plains that crashed into pentagon - or did you feel the smell of that subtsance used in missiles that was in the air around pentagon - or someone said it on the media which is well contolled ?

I didn't see or smell any of the wreckage, I read up on the subject and found quotes from people who could smell cordite at the scene, which is used in cruise missiles, bearing in mind some of these guys were colonels, generals etc they are very credible people. Not ALL of the media can be controlled, e.g. you can't control what someone says in a LIVE interview so the truth gets out sometimes ;)

[CROoney]

I didn't see or smell any of the wreckage, I read up on the subject and found quotes from people who could smell cordite at the scene, which is used in cruise missiles, bearing in mind some of these guys were colonels, generals etc they are very credible people. Not ALL of the media can be controlled, e.g. you can't control what someone says in a LIVE interview so the truth gets out sometimes ;)
or...maybe he said it LIVE on purpose ... it would give them a true reason to accuse terorrists for an attack;)

[-zuco-]

or...maybe he said it LIVE on purpose ... it would give them a true reason to accuse terorrists for an attack;)

I don't think you really thought that through did you?

Why the sudden interest in 9/11? Nobody has posted in that thread for over a week I think.

[CROoney]

I don't think you really thought that through did you?

Why the sudden interest in 9/11? Nobody has posted in that thread for over a week I think.
It is not sudden interest - it is me asking you how could you trust anything seen in the media if you think all media are cotrolled. so unless you heard something live - you have no basis for your theory - if you did hear however - you do have a basis;)

[haggler]

911 was a dream come true for the republican right in the states .

i happen to believe there is no conspiracy and that it was a terrorist attack .

one which gave bush and co all the support they needed to push through on the war on terror .

its a fact that the history of the world as we understand it has been mainly written by the victors in conflicts and our view of the truth is coloured by what we want to believe .

the original point of the thread was to use a single example to highlight the fact that bad things are still happening in that area of the world but we are not hearing much about it .

millions die in africa every year from aids but still huge numbers refuse to wear condoms .

millions starve in africa despite record levels of aid from the west .

jews and arabs have killed each other for millenia and will for thousands of years more .

the truth is we distrust people different from ourselves and human nature has always been to destroy anyone who might be able to do you harm before they do it to you .

the one good thing going for us in future is the apathy of current generations .

we all dislike certain folk on meeting them and cant explain why . if 911 was a yank sanctioned atrocity what does it really matter to you as long as you have a full belly and broadband etc . rich men will protect there riches always have always will . jealous poorer peoples will try and remove those riches .

[-zuco-]

we all dislike certain folk on meeting them and cant explain why . if 911 was a yank sanctioned atrocity what does it really matter to you as long as you have a full belly and broadband etc . rich men will protect there riches always have always will . jealous poorer peoples will try and remove those riches .

Read the thread on 9/11.

[NateR]

I didn't see or smell any of the wreckage, I read up on the subject and found quotes from people who could smell cordite at the scene, which is used in cruise missiles, bearing in mind some of these guys were colonels, generals etc they are very credible people. Not ALL of the media can be controlled, e.g. you can't control what someone says in a LIVE interview so the truth gets out sometimes ;)

What of the people that actually saw a Plane flying towards the Pentagon?
The wreckage was there, and the idea it was hit by a cruise missle has been debunked.

There was a great topic on this, at the abovetopsecret.com forums.

[Red Devil]

I am closing this thread, its a complete waste of time trying to get a serious debate going without "But what abouts" all over the damn place, I wont bother again, carry on with your meaningless threads ..............