Does Ryan Deserve..........

[acazzer]

does ryan giggs deserve to be the all time appearance holder for united?

[-zuco-]

Yes he does, but only if he starts playing much better than he has recently and earns his place in the team.

[yangch0000]

If he could do it, he deserves it

[Keano's fan]

does ryan giggs deserve to be the all time appearance holder for united?
Manchester United (1990-present)

FA Premier League - Champion (9): 1992-93, 1993-94, 1995-96, 1996-97, 1998-99, 1999-00, 2000-01, 2002-03, 2006-07
FA Premier League - Runner Up: 1994-95, 1997-98, 2005-06
FA Youth Cup Winner: 1992
FA Cup Winner (4): 1994, 1996, 1999, 2004
FA Cup Runner Up: 1995, 2005, 2007
League Cup Winner (2): 1992, 2006
League Cup Runner Up: 1994, 2003
Community Shield Winner (6): 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2007
Community Shield Runner Up: 1998, 2000, 2001, 2004
UEFA Champions League Winner: 1998-99
UEFA Super Cup Winner: 1991
UEFA Super Cup Runner Up: 1999
Intercontinental Cup: 1999


Now, does Ryan Giggs deserve to be the all time appearance holder for united ?

[Jazz 16]

Manchester United (1990-present)

FA Premier League - Champion (9): 1992-93, 1993-94, 1995-96, 1996-97, 1998-99, 1999-00, 2000-01, 2002-03, 2006-07
FA Premier League - Runner Up: 1994-95, 1997-98, 2005-06
FA Youth Cup Winner: 1992
FA Cup Winner (4): 1994, 1996, 1999, 2004
FA Cup Runner Up: 1995, 2005, 2007
League Cup Winner (2): 1992, 2006
League Cup Runner Up: 1994, 2003
Community Shield Winner (6): 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2007
Community Shield Runner Up: 1998, 2000, 2001, 2004
UEFA Champions League Winner: 1998-99
UEFA Super Cup Winner: 1991
UEFA Super Cup Runner Up: 1999
Intercontinental Cup: 1999


Now, does Ryan Giggs deserve to be the all time appearance holder for united ?

Couldnt have put it better myself ;)
Anyone that actually says he doesn't deserve it isnt a true fan in my eyes.
Forget his form this season and look at the whole picture.
For people with short memories....he got in the team of the season for the whole Premiership just last season.
He has been terrorising defences for longer than some of you are alive.
Giggs deserves this record but most of all this legend deserves our respect.

[Andreas_svan]

Ofcourse he deserves a chance again, because we all know what he can do. But on the other hand i think uniteds play gets faster when Nani/Andersson comes in..

[Keano!]

For a player to still be capable of competing at
this level, at his age is remarkable! He deserves
the record 100%, and I'm sure Mr. Charlton, wouldn't
disagree either!

[Andreas_svan]

But still i wonder how you can say that he NEEDS a new chance because he won all those tournaments back in the days?, it's just to see the facts that out wonderkid is getting old and he cant perform like he did, he still have something left, i can assure you of that but a player like Nani need to be filled in the gap of Giggs a little bit sooner then yesterday against Lyon.

[Keano!]

You can even see in Fergies team selection's nowadays, that he is using Gigggsy,
sparingly and giving the yonuger players a chance. There's a good mix, old and
young, so hopefully the likes of Nani, and Anderson will take some huge leaves
out of Giggsy and Scholes books. If they become half the players Giggs and
Scholes were, it'll be good business and TBH, Anderson looks like he could be a
star in the making. Nani is still learining and needs to keep his feet on the
ground.

[carlyluvsunited]

To say he has won 10 billion trophies so he deserves it is nonsense !

A record like this is earned on merit ...

You break the record if you are good enough to play for that amount of time ...

It's not based on ANYTHING else !

Sure Giggs is, and will always be a legend ....

But nowhere near as big a legend as the current record holder is ...

[Keano's fan]

To say he has won 10 billion trophies so he deserves it is nonsense !

A record like this is earned on merit ...

You break the record if you are good enough to play for that amount of time ...

It's not based on ANYTHING else !

Sure Giggs is, and will always be a legend ....

But nowhere near as big a legend as the current record holder is ...
based on what ? a drop in form in the past couple of months ? Is that enough to erase 17 years of great service by him ?

Its easy to say that a player who played in an era you never lived is better than a current one. You've seen Giggs on good days and on bad days whereas you only hear the good things about our past legends. You probably dont know that in his Sir Bobbys early career he was deemed too slow and that he stalled us in many ways. Some even claimed that he only made his name off munich. He played out wide many times and he was average there by his own admission, and Giggs get attacked for putting in an average perfomance playing up front. Many also feel that Sir bobby was a shadow of te player he was in the last couple of years of his career as well, the same could be said about George Best. Now why are they held on a higher level than Giggs ? Is it because we havent seen a full match of them let alone a poor one ?

You know whats nonsense Carly ? Its the short memories some people have. In his 17 years career, This is only Ryans second major dip in form after the high profile one of 2002. Are you telling me that Sir Bobby, Best, Law and Cantona never suffered dips in form ? Why is Bobby Charlton a bigger legend than Giggs ? Give me a logical explanation. I believe that if you searched our 130 years of history, you wouldnt find a player more worthy to carry such honor.

[Andreas_svan]

I really don't think he should start if he got a dip in his form, he can fight the form back on practice. If we face a mid team it woudlnt matter if we started with Giggsy, but when we're facing a hungry Lyon i would prefer Nani over Giggs that day. BUT i would choose Giggs in the 20 last minutes in a Champions League final.

[kbucka]

I agree Giggs has been a Legend for us but you can see he has lost his pace and the amount of times he lost possesion last night was beyond belief, this should be his final season....He wasn't good either last season, us winning the league covered his performances up somewhat.....

[Keano's fan]

I agree Giggs has been a Legend for us but you can see he has lost his pace and the amount of times he lost possesion last night was beyond belief, this should be his final season....He wasn't good either last season, us winning the league covered his performances up somewhat.....
Check the title, you're in the wrong thread. If you wanna discuss his current performances there are other threads for that.

Oh and he wasnt good las season you reckon ? Is that why he was included in the team of the year and in the PFA shortlist of player of he year ? Must be ..

[SHERLZ6899]

Finally someone who agrees with my point of view !!!

[Fergaiste]

based on what ? a drop in form in the past couple of months ? Is that enough to erase 17 years of great service by him ?

Its easy to say that a player who played in an era you never lived is better than a current one. You've seen Giggs on good days and on bad days whereas you only hear the good things about our past legends. You probably dont know that in his Sir Bobbys early career he was deemed too slow and that he stalled us in many ways. Some even claimed that he only made his name off munich. He played out wide many times and he was average there by his own admission, and Giggs get attacked for putting in an average perfomance playing up front. Many also feel that Sir bobby was a shadow of te player he was in the last couple of years of his career as well, the same could be said about George Best. Now why are they held on a higher level than Giggs ? Is it because we havent seen a full match of them let alone a poor one ?

You know whats nonsense Carly ? Its the short memories some people have. In his 17 years career, This is only Ryans second major dip in form after the high profile one of 2002. Are you telling me that Sir Bobby, Best, Law and Cantona never suffered dips in form ? Why is Bobby Charlton a bigger legend than Giggs ? Give me a logical explanation. I believe that if you searched our 130 years of history, you wouldnt find a player more worthy to carry such honor.

I have to take my hat off to giggs and the great servant he has been for Manchester united. if he manages to break Charlton's record yes he fully deserves it particularly in this day and age of mercenary footballers whose only loyalty is to their wage packet. How he has kept the hunger and drive going for so long is somrthing to marvel at and shows what a humble and nice guy that he genuinely seems to be.

As for him being considered a great player for Man united I would stop short of putting him in that category alongside such luminaries as Keane,Robson,scholes,cantona,Law,best and Charlton.In relation to the latter he happens to be our record goalscorer with 298 goals from midfield compared with 142 for Giggs. He was European footballer of the year in 1966 and is also England's record goalscorer with 49 goals. By common consent he is considered one of the greatest players to have played the g.ame. Ok I wasnt around to see him play but the other great players I've mentioned in my era in the 80's and 90'shave one thing in common- they produced consistently great performances throughout their united careers. Giggs has conjured moments of magic eg cup semi goal vs arsenal in 1999 but not enough fantastic match winning displays to be considered a truly great player.

[cammy31]

Superb comment ''keanos fan'' absoloutly phenomonal talent....put it this way...we wont see another players as gpod/loyal/consistent for another 100 years! If ever!

[carlyluvsunited]

As for him being considered a great player for Man united I would stop short of putting him in that category alongside such luminaries as Keane,Robson,scholes,cantona,Law,best and Charlton.In relation to the latter he happens to be our record goalscorer with 298 goals from midfield compared with 142 for Giggs. He was European footballer of the year in 1966 and is also England's record goalscorer with 49 goals
Which like I said makes Charlton slightly more of a legend than Giggs ...

But it's just my opinion !

The statistics speak for themselves surely ... ;)

[haggler]

giggsy is a stone cold legend .
even if he doesnt deserve it in his last season sir alex will make sure he gets it for all his work over his career . odd sub spots etc will make up the last few i reckon and his testimonial game on going will be rammed .

if it were not for his dodgy hamstring he would have sewn it up already

[owenrooneyruud]

of course he deserves it..giggsy is getting older so auviously his form isnt going to be what it was

[conor myles]

Maybe if he starts playing like he wants to be on the pitch again but giggsy is a talent and a half

[eoininho]

chalk it down giggsy deserves it!! he's been playing at THE highest level since he was 17! he's been fantastic for us!

[unitedred]

Of course he does, embodies what everything about this club is.

Just a pure legend and well worth the appearance record. Not been at his best this year so he's better off getting the rest of his record through the bench. He's certainly not deserved as many starts as hes got now.

I feel Nani's being held back a bit too much.

[Stephen]

Yes. Of course.

He may spend more time picking his arsé; hands on hips; pulling up his armband...but Ryan Giggs deserves it.

[slap u lar]

hope he does get the apps record, but only if he gets picked on merit

[carlyluvsunited]

15 to go ..........

[alto10]

i hope he does he's a true legend deseves it 100%

[ftan59]

To say he has won 10 billion trophies so he deserves it is nonsense !

A record like this is earned on merit ...

You break the record if you are good enough to play for that amount of time ...

It's not based on ANYTHING else !

Sure Giggs is, and will always be a legend ....

But nowhere near as big a legend as the current record holder is ...

If we're going to win trophies this season, I don't see how Giggsy merits a first team place. He's been a fantastic ambassador and a true legend but, alas, can only be used sparingly 'cause he's not the same player he was last season.

It was so obvious to all and sundry that Nani has started to come into his own and our attack had much more bite when he came on late during the Lyon game. Of course, everyone can remember how he made monkeys out of the Gooners. LOL!! :p especially for the first Fletcher goal when he made Hoyte jumped up and down before delivering the killer cross!!! :)

[NateR]

Sure he deserves it. He's a legend and been a great player for us for such a long time. No one deserves it more.

[Red Devil]

He will, or he won't, nothing I can do about it. He has been a good servant for the club but has not exactly "turned it on" for years.

[babysenorita]

Both are legend to me...but are we talking about which is a better legend or who have the longest appearances? Yes, Sir Bobby currently holds the most appearances infront of Giggsy and if giggsy surpass it, why should anyone question he deserved it or not ? I dont know what the title legend got to do with the amount of appearances...Sir Bobby is a legend in his own ways of contribution and Giggsy is a legend in his other different ways , fact is both are legends from different eras no matter what their appearances is and thats that...does that means since sir bobby is a bigger legend, should we ask giggsy to retire now so that he wont overtake sir bobby's record? ...If he play more game than sir bobby did, then of course he deserve to hold the record. The same goes to any players as well, if its rio and he play more ganes than sir bobby did, he too deserved to hold the record..unless if its the contribution record he's breaking, then that i think deserved another new debate..:p

[RedSte]

It doesnt really matter whether he deserves to be or not.. :P
The fact is he will and it will be a fantastic achievement, especially in these times when club loyalty is very much a thing of the past