Concern over rooney's finishing

[fazman]

As all united fans im in awe at rooneys work rate passing ability and all round workrate . But im also as puzzled by what appears to be a complete loss of confidence in front of goal . If wayne had finished half of his missed chances in the last two seasons then we'd be talking 50 goals easy what is going wrong is he trying to hard or is he just a bad finisher .:confused:

[-zuco-]

He's just a crap finisher. He does all the
hard work then loses his bottle at the end.

[fazman]

He's just a crap finisher. He does all the
hard work then loses his bottle at the end.

to be honest i think he isnt a out and out striker so when we play with one up front we suffer . I would be worried if ronaldo was to get injured as i dont think there is enough goals in are team .

[Wazza1989]

he just has a bad period...he has a lot of time to improve...he's only 22.... I just hoope...that his injury wasn't to serious...he gave me some shivers when i saw him limpin...:(

[fazman]

he just has a bad period...he has a lot of time to improve...he's only 22.... I just hoope...that his injury wasn't to serious...he gave me some shivers when i saw him limpin...:(

rooneys not gonna be injured he is strong as an ox

[Ignatius]

Dont know.He needs to work on hes creativity, he alwas shot at the goalkeeper!

[jd_united]

The two chances he had today should have probably gone in, but at least his overall game isn't dropping that low. Look at the form he was in ealier this season just before his injury, he bagged 7 in 7 I think it was and looked on fire. He's onl 22 and still yet to fully mature, there is a lot of time still for the white Pele :)

[red_devils4life]

I've said it before & I'll say it again....

Modern team formations usually include one to three strikers; two is most common. Coaches typically field one striker who plays over the shoulder of the last defender (close to the opposing team's goal), and another attacking forward who plays somewhat deeper and assists in making goals as well as scoring.

The former is usually a large striker/centre-forward, typically known as a target man, who is used to win long balls or receive passes and "hold up" the ball as team-mates advance and they are also normally the principal goal-scorer of a football team. Centre forwards act predominantly as "targets" or the focal point of an attack; it is the duty of the midfield to supply and to assist them to score.

The latter is usually a deep-lying forward/ supporting striker, typically known as a playmaker or Number 10. Because of their great technical ability, accurate passing skills and impressive vision, they have also been positioned as a playmaker in the central slot behind the forwards. In any zone surrounding the penalty area, their prowess as a creator of goals came to the fore. Simply put, they are the orchestrator of thier team's offensive play & they provide the link between attack & midfield.

From there, I think ue can clearly tell which position does Rooney excels in & is terrible at. He relies on his great ability, superb technique, sheer brilliance, explosive bursts of thunderous pace & golden touch to score a goal. Not requiring excellent aerial prowess & clinical finishing ability. Those are what he lacks in the first place. Atm, Fergie's stationing him as a centre-forward/ target man, something which he doesn't excel yet performs terribly at. Go on SAF, put Rooney where he is originally & leave him there for good. That is, a playmaker! ;)

[Nemanjaaa]

Yeah needs some composure hopefully he can recover it for next season.

[sweet fa]

rooney is a great player but he is not a striker who can lead the line and score a lot of goals,{very similar to sparky}.tevez cannot lead the line either ,utd desperatley need a striker who can, then we will progress to a higher level again.
i thought rooney played well today ,causing lots of problems although he did not score he does perform well in big games ,when he keeps his head .

[RedDevil4]

I think the first time he attemped goal in tonights game he should have fallen over and then maybe it would have been penalty but cant change it now we have won and thats all that matters

[red_devils4life]

rooney is a great player but he is not a striker who can lead the line and score a lot of goals,{very similar to sparky}.tevez cannot lead the line either ,utd desperatley need a striker who can, then we will progress to a higher level again.
i thought rooney played well today ,causing lots of problems although he did not score he does perform well in big games ,when he keeps his head .

Spot on... & spot on! He's easily rd4l's MOTM tonite ;)

[Natalie]

just hope he dont cost us
like away to chelsea for instance :)

[rehab]

He's fit, stop moaning!

[United_OG]

i've been pretty critical of rooney as of late, i havent been impressed with him in a while but today was the best i saw him play in a while. I think the second chance when he got it down and then shot, he did everything right, it was just a good save, he should have scored with his first chance but its okay. He is not a crap finisher, he just needs a few goals and we'll see the better finisher in him. He is just not a world class finisher but he aint a bad finisher at all.

I was impressed with him today, he got past players, used his strenght, ran clever runs rather than just running like a headless chicken , very good performance, a goal would have topped it but he did well.

[christianoharleiro]

he played well overall today but yet again missed three 1on1 chances, can't afford to keep missing.

[Fergaiste]

i wouldnt mind his finishing as long as he provides assists like he did twice today for goals. for rooney and for united its always been the team first it doesnt matter who scores. Thats why he is loved at OT more than any other player.He just needs a goal to go on aonther run. He is our undisputed talisman in the big games especially

[scott 4 evra]

played well today but you have to be concerned by his goal drought. 2 home league goals considering how we dominate all games at home and him playing most games. hopefully he is saving himself for the upcoming big games.

[sparkic]

I was looking at videos that I downloaded of goals in Novemeber like when we went on that 4 goal winning streak and Rooney was like scoring a goal a game starting vs Roma I think...his finishing was excellent! I just hope he can find that form again..

[United_OG]

^^thats what i mean, he is a good finisher, his just not a world class natural finisher

[versa]

[Moved from another thread to this more appropriate thread.]

Rooney has great footballing brains, just like Scholes, works his guts out, has a sore-loser spirit and amazing with the assists he can conjure. He has also somehow curbed himself a bit and has vastly improved on his temperament.

The only thing that leaves me high and dry about is his finishing. Can't believe he scored none today in the Liverpool game despite the chances he had and after playing another big part in another victory for us. As the commentator pointed out, he needs a "cool head" in the wonderful situations he gets himself into to finish the job.

[dckyfoxes]

Give him a break, at least he's contributing to the assist on most of the goals...
Although I have to admit that he could have score a hat trick against liverpool.
Nevertheless we are still on track to the title. Just hope that he will put on his scoring boots soon. His finishing will be crucial to win both the Premier league and Champion league. I still believed you can do it.

[yangch0000]

he just needs more composure in front of goals
give him a break

[RedForceRising]

I think a lot of the posters who have relied to this topic are not thinking back far enough, because Rooney CAN finish.

Wayne Rooney was a better finisher in his first two seasons at OT than he is now. Even last season, he gifted us with brilliant gems against Watford and Portsmouth, chipping the goalkeepers and banging them in from distance on a few occasions, but he has been woeful for the most part of this season and it has nothing to do with tactics.

When you're one on one with the keeper, you either put it in or you don't.
I think Rooney's problem is more internal. something is not quite right with him. Maybe he's putting himself under too much pressure, maybe Colleen's giving him a hard time. I don;t know, but he's getting into the right positions, but failing to put it into the back of the net.

This isn;t the same Wayne Rooney I worship...... I know he'll get back to scoring and I hope he can get over himself, because he went through a similar dip last season too and I'm not looking forward to it, if he continues to have this annual dip/blip

I've said it before & I'll say it again....

Modern team formations usually include one to three strikers; two is most common. Coaches typically field one striker who plays over the shoulder of the last defender (close to the opposing team's goal), and another attacking forward who plays somewhat deeper and assists in making goals as well as scoring.

The former is usually a large striker/centre-forward, typically known as a target man, who is used to win long balls or receive passes and "hold up" the ball as team-mates advance and they are also normally the principal goal-scorer of a football team. Centre forwards act predominantly as "targets" or the focal point of an attack; it is the duty of the midfield to supply and to assist them to score.

The latter is usually a deep-lying forward/ supporting striker, typically known as a playmaker or Number 10. Because of their great technical ability, accurate passing skills and impressive vision, they have also been positioned as a playmaker in the central slot behind the forwards. In any zone surrounding the penalty area, their prowess as a creator of goals came to the fore. Simply put, they are the orchestrator of thier team's offensive play & they provide the link between attack & midfield.

From there, I think ue can clearly tell which position does Rooney excels in & is terrible at. He relies on his great ability, superb technique, sheer brilliance, explosive bursts of thunderous pace & golden touch to score a goal. Not requiring excellent aerial prowess & clinical finishing ability. Those are what he lacks in the first place. Atm, Fergie's stationing him as a centre-forward/ target man, something which he doesn't excel yet performs terribly at. Go on SAF, put Rooney where he is originally & leave him there for good. That is, a playmaker! ;)


Mate, thanks , but most of us here understand footballing tactics. Your post outlines that Wayne is not currently playing in the position that he would excel in, but it also doesn't address his finishing. Even, if he were playing in his favoured position, he is bound to get goal-scoring opportunities (as he always does) and at the moment he's not putting them in.

I don't see how tactics explain Wayne's current woeful finishing. When you're one on one with the keeper, you either put them in or you don't. It doesn't matter in what position you play or what tactics you are using. You're one on one with the goalkeeper and either you put it in or you don't. and Wayne is capable of doing it, he just hasn't been doing it lately and it's a concern., because he had a similar dip last season.

Nay...I reckon his problems are of a more personal nature.

[spwaff]

he never gets composed in front of goal thats we why he not even on double figure to date!!!!!!! we need a complete HITMAN to suppliment ronaldo's finishing abilities or tevez should also be given more playing orportunities in to measure his standards...........

[red_devils4life]

One thing is, I don't understand why he loves to aim the ball right into the keepers' path when he could either choose to drive it into the back of the net from the empty, unguarded spot in the goalpost.

Another thing is, his profligate finishing may be due to his sense of maturity.
Have you ever noticed that as he slowly grows up & mature, he seems to lack the finishing touch in the 6-yard box? Compare his finishing prowess of now & when he joined us from Everton 3 seasons ago. Obviously it's worse isn't it?

His discipline has improve tremendously & he's a more team player now than in the past. He's collected less bookings & sent-offs from the referees, provided more assists & score less goals now compared to in the past. That means, he's matured & is more of a team player now than then.

And that's a good sign IMHO! http://www.abfnet.com/forum/images/smilies/thumbsup2.gif

[Fergaiste]

When you're one on one with the keeper, you either put it in or you don't.
I think Rooney's problem is more internal. something is not quite right with him. Maybe he's putting himself under too much pressure, maybe Colleen's giving him a hard time. I don;t know, but he's getting into the right positions, but failing to put it into the back of the net.

This isn;t the same Wayne Rooney I worship...... I know he'll get back to scoring and I hope he can get over himself, because he went through a similar dip last season too and I'm not looking forward to it, if he continues to have this annual dip/blip




Mate, thanks , but most of us here understand footballing tactics. Your post outlines that Wayne is not currently playing in the position that he would excel in, but it also doesn't address his finishing. Even, if he were playing in his favoured position, he is bound to get goal-scoring opportunities (as he always does) and at the moment he's not putting them in.

I don't see how tactics explain Wayne's current woeful finishing. When you're one on one with the keeper, you either put them in or you don't. It doesn't matter in what position you play or what tactics you are using. You're one on one with the goalkeeper and either you put it in or you don't. and Wayne is capable of doing it, he just hasn't been doing it lately and it's a concern., because he had a similar dip last season.

Nay...I reckon his problems are of a more personal nature.


listen mate I dont know what you are talking about. crisis? what crisis? He was Mom yesterday (as per SSN although imo it was scholes) and was declared player of the month for February so if this is what you call a dip in form I would love to see what you call a peak. okay his finishing hasnt been brilliant of late but as United og said he is not a world class finisher. in respect ti yesterday you have to give Reina a bit of credit with the second one as rooney did everything right including getting control of Vds's long ball.The first one he was hampered by Carragher's foul and was not fully to the pitch of the ball.

As i said before Rooney's game is not just about scoring goals, its about passing to players in a better position to score, workrate in terms of tracking back etc. There is no better player in relation to the latter 2 facets of the game and i have no worries he will be back scoring regularly and even of he doesnt he still contributes immensely in terms of assists etc

[Keano!]

I couldn't care as long as he performed like he did against Liverpool. 2 assists and
could have easily been more aswell as scoring two himself. He should have hd one
at least. The long punt forward from VDS and the touch and shot was sublime.
Goal of the season should it have gone in!

The kids movement, passing and intelligence is enough! The goals he does get
are an added bonus!

Roll on Wayne Rooney! This guy will be a United Legend. In 30 years, we'll be
looking back and talking about Rooney, the same way we do today about Cantona,
Solskjaer, Best, Charlton......He's a true legend!

[slap u lar]

rooney is one of the best players to play for utd in past 20 odd years but he certanily aint the best finisher weve had or even in the top20 weve had but we couldnt do with out him let me tell you . maybe he will progress with his finishing like he has done with the rest of his game so wait until he does it might just be worth it and very frighting for everyone else

[RedForceRising]

listen mate I dont know what you are talking about. crisis? what crisis? He was Mom yesterday (as per SSN although imo it was scholes) and was declared player of the month for February so if this is what you call a dip in form I would love to see what you call a peak. okay his finishing hasnt been brilliant of late but as United og said he is not a world class finisher. in respect ti yesterday you have to give Reina a bit of credit with the second one as rooney did everything right including getting control of Vds's long ball.The first one he was hampered by Carragher's foul and was not fully to the pitch of the ball.

As i said before Rooney's game is not just about scoring goals, its about passing to players in a better position to score, workrate in terms of tracking back etc. There is no better player in relation to the latter 2 facets of the game and i have no worries he will be back scoring regularly and even of he doesnt he still contributes immensely in terms of assists etc

Please tell me where I used the word crisis?
You can't because I did not. You are totally exaggerating what i wrote. And Rooney IS experiencing a dip in form.

Yes, we all understand what he contributes to the team. I love him for that very reason, but he is not putting away chances that he used to. The first chance and the chance from van der Sar's kick are both great examples.

As you state he did everything right, everything EXCEPT putting the damned ball in the back of the net. And I have every right to say that it bothers me, because it does. Have you ever played football? Because I have and still do and can tell you that it's bothering Rooney himself more than anybody else on this planet.


His contributions and assits are great, but he's a striker and he is supposed to score goals. Rooney will be the first to tell you that. He is simply not as decisive as he has been in the past. Yesterday and against Portsmouth are great examples. How about against Lyon? In all three of those games he was one on one with the keeper and choked and he used to put those type of chances away.

He's only scored in two of the last eleven games.

What is the point of your rebuttal towards my post anyway? You are having a go at me for saying he's having a dip in form, but he is! And I did not mention the word crisis a single time.

I suggest you read properly, before you write.

IS Rooney brilliant absolutely. Is his finishing way below its usual level? Yes it is. And I think it is a mental block not a general unhappiness, because as you mention his overall play is excellent.

Don;t put any words in my mouth, if you are going to reply to this. :mad:

[Fergaiste]

Please tell me where I used the word crisis?
You can't because I did not. You are totally exaggerating what i wrote. And Rooney IS experiencing a dip in form.

Yes, we all understand what he contributes to the team. I love him for that very reason, but he is not putting away chances that he used to. The first chance and the chance from van der Sar's kick are both great examples.

As you state he did everything right, everything EXCEPT putting the damned ball in the back of the net. And I have every right to say that it bothers me, because it does. Have you ever played football? Because I have and still do and can tell you that it's bothering Rooney himself more than anybody else on this planet.


His contributions and assits are great, but he's a striker and he is supposed to score goals. Rooney will be the first to tell you that. He is simply not as decisive as he has been in the past. Yesterday and against Portsmouth are great examples. How about against Lyon? In all three of those games he was one on one with the keeper and choked and he used to put those type of chances away.

He's only scored in two of the last eleven games.

What is the point of your rebuttal towards my post anyway? You are having a go at me for saying he's having a dip in form, but he is! And I did not mention the word crisis a single time.

I suggest you read properly, before you write.

IS Rooney brilliant absolutely. Is his finishing way below its usual level? Yes it is. And I think it is a mental block not a general unhappiness, because as you mention his overall play is excellent.

Don;t put any words in my mouth, if you are going to reply to this. :mad:

mate first of all relax !! you seem to be taking my comment on your post as a personal insult.I am only saying that you are exagerrating Rooney's problems in front of goal by bringing in Colleen's influence into the equation as if she has anything to do with it. That's why I mentioned the word crisis as if there was something wrong psychologically with wazza which in my opinion there is not. I know you didnt mention the word but take it easy.

his overall games is imo better than its ever been and I know he's profligate in putting the ball in the net but every striker goes through phases where they cant hit the proverbial barn door with a banjo. I know he suffered a similar dip last year but last year was more serious when he seemed to be disillusioned with the FA for banning him for a few games and Ferguson for playing him out of position. Certainly going by his interview yesterday he didnt look too bothered when asked about his paucity of goals


as for your post you are perfectly entitled to your opinion and unless i am picking you up wrong i will ever hold anything against you for expressing that opinion.

peace pal and hope you enjoyed the easter break!!!!

[abojodeh]

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/5950/13110yz5.png
he scored 23 goal lat season and this one just13 last season he assisted about 19 but this season more than 20 isnt he a striker he should score more

[carlyluvsunited]

If Wayne Rooney was offered 13 goals and 19 assists at the start of the season ...

He would have grabbed this with both hands ... ;)

He's a 'team' player - let's not forget that ...

Wherever he is asked to play he will do it - no question about that !!!

So we must remember this on here - poor guy ... :(

He tries so hard 100% every game ...

[stretty]

He's just a crap finisher. He does all the
hard work then loses his bottle at the end.
He is just going through a bad spell in front of goal, the boy will come good and score the winner in the champions league final ,and shut all his doubters up:) :)

[akash_reds]

he is an integral part of the team and very important to our team(as most of you know)....if we lose him, we lose or we dont play well even if we get the result..atleast he is providing.....he is my favourite united player of the current team and always will be...

[stretty]

i think every one needs to calm down , we are 5 points clear at the top of the table , with no major injuries , playing reasonable football and no signs of a crisis just yet.
ENJOY it , it doesnt matter whos missing and whos scoring as long as we are winning that is the main thing, do not worry about wayne hes class in a glass and will be back to his best very soon

[charles]

I think he has been bloody awful for the last few months.what we need to do at the end of the season is get rid of Tevez and buy a top class striker like the one he let go, Nistlerooy

[stretty]

I think he has been bloody awful for the last few months.what we need to do at the end of the season is get rid of Tevez and buy a top class striker like the one he let go, Nistlerooy
i dont thnk we need to get rid of tevez at all , its saha who should be dumped and replaced with any centre forward who can stay fit , and ruud is not easy to replace , thats why madrid got a bargain , how much is it going to cost for a replacement for ruud at least 25 to 30 million

[RedForceRising]

mate first of all relax !! you seem to be taking my comment on your post as a personal insult.I am only saying that you are exagerrating Rooney's problems in front of goal by bringing in Colleen's influence into the equation as if she has anything to do with it. That's why I mentioned the word crisis as if there was something wrong psychologically with wazza which in my opinion there is not. I know you didnt mention the word but take it easy.

his overall games is imo better than its ever been and I know he's profligate in putting the ball in the net but every striker goes through phases where they cant hit the proverbial barn door with a banjo. I know he suffered a similar dip last year but last year was more serious when he seemed to be disillusioned with the FA for banning him for a few games and Ferguson for playing him out of position. Certainly going by his interview yesterday he didnt look too bothered when asked about his paucity of goals


as for your post you are perfectly entitled to your opinion and unless i am picking you up wrong i will ever hold anything against you for expressing that opinion.

peace pal and hope you enjoyed the easter break!!!!

Well, from where I stand we have no way to know is going on between the ears of another person. I was offering possibilities as to why Rooney is finishing so badly at the moment, when he has been able to do so in the past.

I was being tounge-in-cheek with the Colleen remark, so I was quite surprised to read that I was talking about a crisis.

The bottom line is I love Rooney, but am worried about his finishing at the moment. This doesn't make me a glory hunter or someone who exagerates or someone who doesn;t support Manchester United whole-heartedly.

It just means I'm a realist who can admit when his hero is not scoring when he should be.

I have three jerseys with the name Giggs on the back. He is my all time favourite left winger. A lot of people have forgotten how he used to play, but I haven't.

Still, I am able to admint that he has been in decline for a while and experience an "Indian summer" last season. This season, he hasn't always warranted a starting place. He's still a hero and I would never say he's anything less than class, but he's not deserving of a starting place at the moment.

Why can't somebody be a fan and still say what he's observing?

[red_devils4life]

My dear RFR, ue ought to be ready for all these types of disagreement.
After all, it's still a forum where ppl group together for healthy debates.
Everybody has the power of freedom speech....thus regardless of what
anyone says, ue can still maintain ur stance over a particular topic.

Never expect ppl to change ur opinions & vice-versa. But sometimes,
when someone realise he/she is wrong in their opinions which they voiced
out, it's not too late to agree is it? And that of coz' didn't imply 'bout ue ;)

[versa]

Why can't somebody be a fan and still say what he's observing?

Well said, mate. :)

Imo, that is actually all we need to do, expressing our honest opinions and saying it as we see it. And whether we are right or wrong, whether others agree with us or not, it is immaterial and another issue altogether. At least in the context of a forum. Cliche perhaps.

But I also learnt one thing from participating in forum. It does take maturity not to respond too when there is deemed a 'stalemate' and to 'soften' things if harmony is deemed threatened.

[stretty]

Why can't somebody be a fan and still say what he's observing
Football is a game about opinions , everyone sees the game differently even the bloke who sits next to me in the stretty , we have our favourites and players we dislike , and they differ.
Fergie sees it different to all of us , i think i have the right to criticise as i pay my money to the club ,but i do not criticise our players during a match , i have even sung the darren fletcher song (one of my dislikes).
I think forums like these are the ideal place to voice your opinion , and theres nothing wrong with disliking some of our own players , we only criticise for the right reasons i.e players like rooney misfiring . we want the best for our club.
So carry on its always interesting to hear differing views from other fans , and its good to debate these issues on the these forums

[Fergaiste]

Well, from where I stand we have no way to know is going on between the ears of another person. I was offering possibilities as to why Rooney is finishing so badly at the moment, when he has been able to do so in the past.

I was being tounge-in-cheek with the Colleen remark, so I was quite surprised to read that I was talking about a crisis.

The bottom line is I love Rooney, but am worried about his finishing at the moment. This doesn't make me a glory hunter or someone who exagerates or someone who doesn;t support Manchester United whole-heartedly.

It just means I'm a realist who can admit when his hero is not scoring when he should be.

I have three jerseys with the name Giggs on the back. He is my all time favourite left winger. A lot of people have forgotten how he used to play, but I haven't.

Still, I am able to admint that he has been in decline for a while and experience an "Indian summer" last season. This season, he hasn't always warranted a starting place. He's still a hero and I would never say he's anything less than class, but he's not deserving of a starting place at the moment.

Why can't somebody be a fan and still say what he's observing?


Ok first of all hope we now understand each other a bit better as I think we have both been guilty of overeacting to the other's remarks.AS i alluded to in the previous post i have absolutely no problem with you expressing your observations about Rooney or anybody else even if I take a different angle to Rooney's alleged dip in form. No player is beyond criticism and though wazza is my favourite player, (along with scholes,) I am the first to admit he was stupid to attempt that dive against spurs resulting in a booking. This example of cheating indirectly cost us a creditable performance against City and for once the team suffered due to Rooney's idiocy and resulting match ban.

that said he has not suffered that badly in front of goal recently. He did score against Arsenal and Newcastle twice in the last month so this period has not been that barren.AS has been said numerous times his game is not just one dimensional i.e scoring. in taht respect he is similar to Sparky hughes wh owas renowned as more of a scorer of great goals rather than a great goal scorer. Sparky was also a great team player, a rugged nighmare for defenders and most of all a man for the big occasion.rooney has more ability on picking out players in terms of assists and workrate.

Therefore it is my sincere belief that rooney being so unselfish only cares about the team winning and getting the best out of all of his teammates. Take for example the assist for saha(who needed the confidence of a goal) in the newcastle game thereby sacrificing his own hatrick. i somehow doubt if ronaldo would have done the same.

i am absolutely convinced he will be back amongst the goals in the coming games but rest assured he will not lose sleep over this as similar to Sheringham his objectives are not about mere goal scoring but being an all round scorer and maker of goals-whether its him or somebody who scores it doesnt matter a jot;)

[RichardsReds]

"Therefore it is my sincere belief that rooney being so unselfish only cares about the team winning and getting the best out of all of his teammates. Take for example the assist for saha(who needed the confidence of a goal) in the newcastle game thereby sacrificing his own hatrick. i somehow doubt if ronaldo would have done the same."


well noted mate

[RedForceRising]

Well said, mate. :)

Imo, that is actually all we need to do, expressing our honest opinions and saying it as we see it. And whether we are right or wrong, whether others agree with us or not, it is immaterial and another issue altogether. At least in the context of a forum. Cliche perhaps.

But I also learnt one thing from participating in forum. It does take maturity not to respond too when there is deemed a 'stalemate' and to 'soften' things if harmony is deemed threatened.

Agreed!

Sometimes yhou need to give the whole olive tree, not just the branch!
Problem is, I really love trees. : )

My dear RFR, ue ought to be ready for all these types of disagreement.
After all, it's still a forum where ppl group together for healthy debates.
Everybody has the power of freedom speech....thus regardless of what
anyone says, ue can still maintain ur stance over a particular topic.

Never expect ppl to change ur opinions & vice-versa. But sometimes,
when someone realise he/she is wrong in their opinions which they voiced
out, it's not too late to agree is it? And that of coz' didn't imply 'bout ue ;)

My dear rd4l,

thanks for the input.
This is a forum, and i fully expect to voice my opinion and read other's opinions.

What I did not expect, is people being unable to read and putting words in my mouth.

....

that said he has not suffered that badly in front of goal recently. He did score against Arsenal and Newcastle twice in the last month so this period has not been that barren.AS has been said numerous times his game is not just one dimensional i.e scoring. in taht respect he is similar to Sparky hughes wh owas renowned as more of a scorer of great goals rather than a great goal scorer. Sparky was also a great team player, a rugged nighmare for defenders and most of all a man for the big occasion.rooney has more ability on picking out players in terms of assists and workrate.

Therefore it is my sincere belief that rooney being so unselfish only cares about the team winning and getting the best out of all of his teammates. Take for example the assist for saha(who needed the confidence of a goal) in the newcastle game thereby sacrificing his own hatrick. i somehow doubt if ronaldo would have done the same.

i am absolutely convinced he will be back amongst the goals in the coming games but rest assured he will not lose sleep over this as similar to Sheringham his objectives are not about mere goal scoring but being an all round scorer and maker of goals-whether its him or somebody who scores it doesnt matter a jot;)

Agreed that Rooney is heaps more unselfish than Ronaldo and of course creates more chances. It was the same last season. Our winger scores more and our striker creates more chances.

Not that there's something wrong with that, because we're playing well and winning, so like the Americans say "If it ain't broke don;t fix it".

I love Rooney's unselfishness and hate Ronaldo's selfishness. I also love Ronaldo's finishing and find my patience wearing thin with Rooney's finishing. Those two games you mention where he scored means he scored in two games out of the last 11 matches and that tat doesn't even tell half the story. The whole story is that he has had A LOT of chances and wasted them. I'm talking real gilt-edged chances here.

Rooney's on field heroics definitely inspires the team and we're a lesser team without him, but he is also letting his team down when he takes that extra touch instead of pulling the trigger or firing the ball straight at the keeper when he has the whole goal to aim at.

It's not like he can't do it, he can and he has. He's just not doing it now.

In the upcoming CL games, he will be fortunate to have a single chance vs Roma and if we progress vs Barca and if he hasn't found he's shooting boots by then we might have real problems.

Say what you will about his overall play, but because of the position he plays in, he will always get into goal-scoring positions and it's better for Man Utd if he starts finishing the way Wayne Rooney can.

GGMU!

[moondog]

You see it all the time, in a number of sports...

Wazza's just a little 'snake-bit' right now. Once he gets one, he'll get a bunch...

[Fergaiste]

Agreed!

Sometimes yhou need to give the whole olive tree, not just the branch!
Problem is, I really love trees. : )



My dear rd4l,

thanks for the input.
This is a forum, and i fully expect to voice my opinion and read other's opinions.

What I did not expect, is people being unable to read and putting words in my mouth.



Agreed that Rooney is heaps more unselfish than Ronaldo and of course creates more chances. It was the same last season. Our winger scores more and our striker creates more chances.

Not that there's something wrong with that, because we're playing well and winning, so like the Americans say "If it ain't broke don;t fix it".

I love Rooney's unselfishness and hate Ronaldo's selfishness. I also love Ronaldo's finishing and find my patience wearing thin with Rooney's finishing. Those two games you mention where he scored means he scored in two games out of the last 11 matches and that tat doesn't even tell half the story. The whole story is that he has had A LOT of chances and wasted them. I'm talking real gilt-edged chances here.

Rooney's on field heroics definitely inspires the team and we're a lesser team without him, but he is also letting his team down when he takes that extra touch instead of pulling the trigger or firing the ball straight at the keeper when he has the whole goal to aim at.

It's not like he can't do it, he can and he has. He's just not doing it now.

In the upcoming CL games, he will be fortunate to have a single chance vs Roma and if we progress vs Barca and if he hasn't found he's shooting boots by then we might have real problems.

Say what you will about his overall play, but because of the position he plays in, he will always get into goal-scoring positions and it's better for Man Utd if he starts finishing the way Wayne Rooney can.

GGMU!

Only seeing hyour reply there as have been busy for the last couple of days. Firstly in your response to red for life's remarks you are somehow justifying your overreaction to my post. mate there was absolutely no excuse for ur over the top remarks. FFS you sounded like you were going to petrol bomb my house just because i used the word crisis which imo accurately described your criticism of rooney.

apart from that i agree with 99% of your last post . Excellent post well articulated.Where I am a little more optimistic though is Rooney in the forthcoming big games. These are the games he thrives in where he either scores or performs to such a degree that that the whole team plays better as a whole. He is similar to sparky in that respect eg roma home and away last year, last sunday or the cup game against arsenal.

Forza united!!;)

[moondog]

"Forza united!!"

What mean 'forza'?

signed, a bilingual illiterate

[red_devils4life]

'Forza's a term which meant 'For Life' in Italian if I'm not wrong...

[abojodeh]

today wazza will score and return his finishing v villa aston

[moondog]

'Forza's a term which meant 'For Life' in Italian if I'm not wrong...
Thanks RD4L,

I was just trying to inject a little humour...badly it would seem :)

[Ignatius]

Let see him score today and laugh at this thread!

[versa]

Let see him score today and laugh at this thread!

But if he does not score the next game, the thread will resurface again.:D :D

[red_devils4life]

Thanks RD4L,

I was just trying to inject a little humour...badly it would seem :)

Ue hve gotta' improve on ur sarcasm md...nvm, there's always a next time u know? :rolleyes: :D :p

[akash_reds]

hope he proves everyone wrong who ever doubted him with his hattrck today :mad: ;)

[Jazz 16]

Its not that we doubt him as such. He scored 2 nice goals today and fair
play to him for that.....but how many SHOULD he have scored today.
He did miss a few sitters to be fair.

[Red Devil]

Waynes shot to goal ratio is abysmal.......

[red_devils4life]

But his goal-per-game ratio is quite excellent tho RD. Juz' went 2 check out his stats for this season: 15 goals & 12 assists in 31 club appearances for United. ;)

[fazman]

I started the thread and i must say i never doubted his work rate he was amazing again today against liverpool he was the best player on the pitch but my point was he misses chances others would put away . Today he missed a chance when easier to score and had it not been for the 2 and the 1 disalowed we would be pointing it out again . But full credit to rooney a great player but please please start hitting them in as well as you work on the pitch .

[stretty]

well done wayne shut all your doubters up , should have been a hat trick but 2 will do

[Red Devil]

But his goal-per-game ratio is quite excellent tho RD. Juz' went 2 check out his stats for this season: 15 goals & 12 assists in 31 club appearances for United. ;) I agree; my only concern is it takes 10 shots to hit one!!! :rolleyes:

[dlan4327]

He doesn't play as well when Ferguson plays him up front on his own.

[RedForceRising]

Nobody who wrote on this thread doubts Wayne Rooney.
But many doubt his finishing.

Some have even tried to explain his abysmal finishing by blaming tactics. You know who you are. I will try to be civilized by saying I do not understand how you someone can attempt to explain bad finishing by blaming tactics.

Once a player is in a goal-scoring position he either puts it away or he doesn't. How he got into that goal-scoring opportunity is of little consequence.

Once again he was probably our best player on the pitch Today and scored two goals, which I thoroughly celebrated, but he also missed several chances.

For his first goal, he took the ball around the keeper, because he had already missed two gilt-edged opportunities by that point and didn't have the confidence to put i beyond Carson.

He did better for his second and I hope Rooney goes on a goal-scoring spree now, because we need it.

If he continues from last night, the league and CL are definitely on.

He should have found it earlier and then treble would still be on, but I pick the CL over the FA Cup, so I'm happy. GGMU!

[carlyluvsunited]

I stood watching a tree today ... :o

I need one for my garden ...

So I feel the urge to try and grab one from somewhere ... :p

[haggler]

I stood watching a tree today ... :o

I need one for my garden ...

So I feel the urge to try and grab one from somewhere ... :pstay away from those herbal teas carly

[RedForceRising]

I see a tree in front of my house and since no one cares to talk to me, I'm going to talk to the tree now....


and probably **** on it.

[abojodeh]

even he scored double he missed million of chances

[moondog]

But his goal-per-game ratio is quite excellent tho RD. Juz' went 2 check out his stats for this season: 15 goals & 12 assists in 31 club appearances for United. ;)

Thank you rd4l! (no sarc this time) :D

Citing assists, as a scoring stat, helps to demonstrate the offensive value of a player.

Wazza was spectacular yesterday...anyone want to bet he doesn't score against roma? :D

[fazman]

I agree; my only concern is it takes 10 shots to hit one!!! :rolleyes:

Maybe we should get in romario as a finishing coach now he has retired. lol!!!!!!!!!

[Jazz 16]

Nobody who wrote on this thread doubts Wayne Rooney.
But many doubt his finishing.

Some have even tried to explain his abysmal finishing by blaming tactics. You know who you are. I will try to be civilized by saying I do not understand how you someone can attempt to explain bad finishing by blaming tactics.

Once a player is in a goal-scoring position he either puts it away or he doesn't. How he got into that goal-scoring opportunity is of little consequence.

Once again he was probably our best player on the pitch Today and scored two goals, which I thoroughly celebrated, but he also missed several chances.

For his first goal, he took the ball around the keeper, because he had already missed two gilt-edged opportunities by that point and didn't have the confidence to put i beyond Carson.

He did better for his second and I hope Rooney goes on a goal-scoring spree now, because we need it.

If he continues from last night, the league and CL are definitely on.

He should have found it earlier and then treble would still be on, but I pick the CL over the FA Cup, so I'm happy. GGMU!

Good post. You articulated well what I have been trying to get across.
Only thing I would disagree with was that he was motm. Ronaldo HAD to get
that for me because he was directly involved in all the goals.
Rooney had a great game but he wouldnt get motm from me because of the
chances he missed. for example if Nist had been playing instead of Rooney
he would have scored at least 3/4 goals.

I feel bad for getting on rooneys back after him getting 2 goals but we cant be
fooling ourselves here. His finishing needs to improve quickly.
I feel Rooney could be the man to win us the double if he starts putting away
the chances.

[Keano4taoiseach]

Form is temporary, Class is Permanent.

Always have faith in the wonder kid, I never doubt him anymore because I know what he has done in the past and what he can do.

2 goals today, could have had a hat-trick.

Rooney is back baby and hopefully he can put a dent in Roma's CL hopes like he did last season.

Tevez and Roney both scoring today. Life is good

[fazman]

I stood watching a tree today ... :o

I need one for my garden ...

So I feel the urge to try and grab one from somewhere ... :p


This women is clearly crazy ive spoke to her she is very nice but to believe she can pull a tree out of the ground is madness . She should ask me to do it insted :D

[red_devils4life]

Wazza was spectacular yesterday...anyone want to bet he doesn't score against roma? :D

Don't ue dare jinxed it this time round! :D

[versa]

Don't ue dare jinxed it this time round! :D

Well, this thread is not locked......:D :D :D

[fazman]

Well, this thread is not locked......:D :D :D

what does that mean this thread is not locked