Assist Must Count for Scoring Titles

[moondog]

It's really a chicken and egg thing...

What is more important, the incisive through ball to create a goal or the six foot sitter that scores it? Not every goal is created by a good pass or rebound from a goal attempt - but when it does happen, these assists should count EQUAL TO GOALS to determine the scoring champion of leagues and cups.

It would certainly eliminate some of the perceived selfishness present with top scorers (ahem, cr) and is a statistic that should be considered when evaluating a players year and more importantly, career.

They already have panels to determine goal validity...it's a no brainer! :cool:

[reddwarf]

I'm a big fan of American Football and they love their stats in the states. It's a totally different game of course but they're just as interested in stats for tackles as they are for touchdowns. They have stats for just about everything over there and like to analyse them in great detail.

Football is the 'beautiful game' and a players contribution can not always just be measured by passes completed, tackles made, goals scored etc but I agree that assists are an important part of the game and these stats should be more widely publicised.

[moondog]

Sorry, probably should have put this in Football Banter....

[versa]

Sorry, probably should have put this in Football Banter....

Don't worry about it, mate. The vigilant staff will sort it out in no time..... :rolleyes: ;)

Ingenious idea indeed. Perhaps we can have Silver Boots, along with the usual Golden Boots, of course.:D

[eoininho]

Very true i'd say Rooney's assists this year have won us as many games than ronaldo's goals...

[Red Devil]

It's really a chicken and egg thing...

What is more important, the incisive through ball to create a goal or the six foot sitter that scores it? Not every goal is created by a good pass or rebound from a goal attempt - but when it does happen, these assists should count EQUAL TO GOALS to determine the scoring champion of leagues and cups.

It would certainly eliminate some of the perceived selfishness present with top scorers (ahem, cr) and is a statistic that should be considered when evaluating a players year and more importantly, career.

They already have panels to determine goal validity...it's a no brainer! :cool:

The goal is the important thing, the bag o' wind crossing the line, how its gets there is totally immaterial.

[versa]

The goal is the important thing, the bag o' wind crossing the line, how its gets there is totally immaterial.

I have to beg to differ however. Most of the times, the hard work and ingenuity of putting the ball to the feet of the scorer or like somebody here said, putting the balls to the head, often go unnoticed or not appreciated. Not to take away anything from the scorer, however, perhaps the least we can do is to recognise the Top Assist. Silver Boots, anyone?;)

[red_devils4life]

Assists are important no doubt. I've always wondered why does players on top of the assists charts gain considerably less recognition compared to players on the summit of the top goal-scorer charts. Without an assist, a goal will never be borned, thus to me, it's equally vital as a goal. If without players like Wayne Rooney & Luis Nani, where does Cristiano Ronaldo's received quality supply for putting the ball into the back of the net? ;)

[Red Devil]

Never said they were not important, of course they are, but unless the ball crosses the line (or in carroll's case - does not!) then any ingenuity or skill to produce said goal is wasted.


moved ................

[yangch0000]

both producer and finisher deserve the credit, just that the producer does not get as much recognition as the finisher. but as long as the coaches know, the goalscorers know, the goal producers themselves know, that would be enough

[reddwarf]

The goal scorer will always take the plaudits whether it's a 30yd screamer or a 1yd tap in but I'd like to see the assist charts for the last few seasons if anyone has a link...

[Justice]

Dont be so silly.

There is already a title for most assists in a season but no one cares about it.

[jd_united]

Dont be so silly.

There is already a title for most assists in a season but no one cares about it.

I think that just about sums it up, most people don't care how the goal goes in, as long as it does. The assist important but in my opinion, not as important as actually putting the ball in the goal.

[red_devils4life]

The goal scorer will always take the plaudits whether it's a 30yd screamer or a 1yd tap in but I'd like to see the assist charts for the last few seasons if anyone has a link...

Alrite there ue go rd, here's the link to the assists chart in the Premiership 07/08 ;)

http://www.4thegame.com/statistics/premiership/assists/

[Keano4taoiseach]

The goal is the important thing, the bag o' wind crossing the line, how its gets there is totally immaterial.
What about the beautiful game or the Brazilian team of 82 :eek:

For me, I would much rather watch Arsenal playing at their best than Chelsea or Liverpool sitting on a one goal lead and playing the ball across the back four.

Also, I must concede, United are turning into Liverpool and Chelsea in Europe, sacrificing playing beautiful football for holding out and passing the ball magnificently across the back four!!!!

Anyway, I suppose as long as you win RD, who cares how you play. Is that your view, even when you know a team like United can play so much better, as good as the best. :rolleyes:

[haggler]

The goal is the important thing, the bag o' wind crossing the line, how its gets there is totally immaterial.if that were true you would be a chelsea fan

[Red Devil]

What about the beautiful game or the Brazilian team of 82 :eek:

For me, I would much rather watch Arsenal playing at their best than Chelsea or Liverpool sitting on a one goal lead and playing the ball across the back four.

Also, I must concede, United are turning into Liverpool and Chelsea in Europe, sacrificing playing beautiful football for holding out and passing the ball magnificently across the back four!!!!

Anyway, I suppose as long as you win RD, who cares how you play. Is that your view, even when you know a team like United can play so much better, as good as the best. :rolleyes:ah but ah!! Oi didn't say that did oi? Oi said that as long as its a goal who cares how we got it - big difference. And you would rather watch arsenal!!!! Wash your mouth out!

[dckyfoxes]

both producer and finisher deserve the credit, just that the producer does not get as much recognition as the finisher. but as long as the coaches know, the goalscorers know, the goal producers themselves know, that would be enough

Agree to that... A player seldom scores on own effort, it's a team game... Credit should be given to both scorers and assist. So both are inportant important... Although the scorer name is always on the score sheet... The assist should be given credit as well like () beside the scorer name.

If that make you feel better :)

[sparkic]

Yeah of corse the assit is important...its a team game so we all knew that...Nani has to most assits till date and that is why I think he has a great 1st season and I always get surprised when some fans say nah they expected more from him and was dissapointing..

[Jazz 16]

Firstly I believe that its fair the top goalscorer gets rewarded
with the golden boot. Its always been that way as its all about putting
it in the back of the net.
but I like to count goals and assists in judging a player in a season,
though sometimes stats dont give the full picture.
Ronaldo has all the goals but just 4 assists(mainly because he scores them all)
Rooney always strikes a good balance, contributing in both areas each season.
Nani has the most assists but his final ball is shocking some days :confused:

Goals

Ronaldo 34
Tevez 15
Rooney 13
Nani 4


Assists

Nani 13
Rooney 12
Giggs 9
Tevez 7
Brown 4
Ronaldo 4
Anderson 4
Scholes 3
Evra 2
Carrick 2
Fletcher 2
O'Shea 2
Ferdinand 1
Hargreaves 1
Simpson 1
Vidic 1

[versa]

Firstly I believe that its fair the top goalscorer gets rewarded
with the golden boot. Its always been that way as its all about putting
it in the back of the net.
but I like to count goals and assists in judging a player in a season,
though sometimes stats dont give the full picture.Ronaldo has all the goals but just 4 assists(mainly because he scores them all)
Rooney always strikes a good balance, contributing in both areas each season.
Nani has the most assists but his final ball is shocking some days :confused:



Perhaps there should be a certain formula by weightage to ascertain the value of a player. Probably more weight to the goals but at least some lesser weight to assists. May not give the full picture but at least closer to the true picture.

[akash_reds]

it is absolutely true....assists are as important as scoring...without creating the opportunities,how are we supposed to score???? rooney has been criticised for his lack of goals(I criticised too)..but assists count too......it is very important in every game

[versa]

it is absolutely true....assists are as important as scoring...without creating the opportunities,how are we supposed to score???? rooney has been criticised for his lack of goals(I criticised too)..but assists count too......it is very important in every game

Exactly, you took the words out of mouth. ;)

Why are we still counting Rooney as one of our vital players if not for his assists or other contributions on the field?

[carlyluvsunited]

Dont be so silly.

There is already a title for most assists in a season but no one cares about it.Exactly !!

The goal scorer always returns the hero ...

And the player providing the assist is soon forgotten ...

This shows no one is really too bothered about assists ...

I like to see goal/assist lists like Jazz 16 makes for us ...

It soon tells me that Rooney with 13/12 is a good team player ...

Not the highest scoring striker of course ...

But to be involved in the creation of 25 goals in a season is great !

But sadly the 'scorers' will always be the heros !

[reddwarf]

Alrite there ue go rd, here's the link to the assists chart in the Premiership 07/08 ;)

http://www.4thegame.com/statistics/premiership/assists/

Thanks for that rd4l.

It makes interesting reading.

Rooney is right up there in =3rd this season (with Berbatov) and Tevez is the only other United player in the top 20, which shows how creative our front 2 are.

Unfortunately, it also dispels the myth that all Lampard does is shoot because he's also in the top 20 (unless they were all deflected shots that ended up in the path of a teammate :D )

[Nemanjaaa]

Its weird how Ronny gets so little assists from the wing! But his goals are everything to us, as a winger i believe that assists are important and more goals come from the nice pass or cross rather than an individual effort running past all the time and striking one from 30.

[red_devils4life]

From what I've heard, Becks got a total of 24 assists in 1998/99...the season where United won the Historic Treble. 17 in the league, 3 in the FA Cup & 4 in the Uefa Champions League. Kudos to 'Golden Balls'!! :D :p

[Jazz 16]

Its weird how Ronny gets so little assists from the wing! But his goals are everything to us, as a winger i believe that assists are important and more goals come from the nice pass or cross rather than an individual effort running past all the time and striking one from 30.

Its funny that Ronaldo has hardly any assists but how can he?
he is scoring them all so someone else has to be setting them up.
Dont think its fair we criticise the lad too much for this, though he is
a bit greedy at times.

Going back to assists you can get some easy ones (5yard simple pass)
or you can get a monster 50 yard spinning ball a la Carrick or Scholes,
so as important assists are, sometimes its the only and simple option.....