Have Liverpool's Problems Taught United Fans To Appreciate The Glazers ... ?

[carlyluvsunited]

manutdpies.com :o It's been nearly three years since Malcolm Glazer bought a
controlling stake of United amidst widespread opposition with fears of
bankruptcy, rising ticket prices and even the formation of a separate club.

Since then, overseas investment in the Premier League has become commonplace
with eight clubs now operating under foreign ownership - but not all US
takeovers have gone according to plan.

We're talking of course about the ongoing battle at Liverpool between its two
American co-owners, George Gillett and Tom Hicks. By looking at what could have
happened, dcould it be that the Glazers might not be so bad after all?

Liverpool's owners have barely been in control for a year and already there are
strong suggestions that the club will be sold on for a profit to Dubai's DIC -
leaving the businessmen richer but without any progression or trophies to show
for the supporters.

The mutiny between the two partners, who this week are wrangling over the
worth of chief executive Rick Parry, has stretched from the board room to the
boot room and their relationship with Rafa Benitez has become repeatedly
strained by public disputes, restriction of funds and clandestine meetings with
German coaches.

Despite what the players claim, this must have had an effect on performances
and it's no coincidence that Liverpool's worst run of the season came when
Benitez was least sure of his job - and it still looks like only another Champions
League title will save him.

Meanwhile, very few people at United will have even seen Malcolm Glazer. He has
handed over directorial responsibilities to his two sons, the so-called 'Double
Glazers', but they also have taken a low profile approach leaving David Gill and
Sir Alex Ferguson to remain as the club's public faces.

Agreeably, ticket prices have increased and the compulsory cup tickets scheme
hasn't been well received but, while international business ventures grow
returning our title as the world's richest club, at least there hasn't been any
restrictions on the manager's buying.

Since then we have reclaimed the Premier League, spent a fortune on new young
talent, kept the world's best player and evolved into possibly the best team in
Europe - and all with less board room disputes than we remember during Martin
Edwards' days.

There is still the debt to finance but as long as the team is successful then the
bills will be paid while we concentrate on winning trophies.

If you look at our situation compared to Liverpool's - is it time to accept the
Glazers at Old Trafford ?

[donthered]

It has taught me to have a good laugh.

[RichardsReds]

Well Carly it is a tough one...

Not much has changed at face value at our club. Which is a good thing. We have remained successful. However if we have a disaster season and don't make UCL out of some freak. Say we finished 3rd next season and got drawn against AC Milan (by looking at Milans league place suggests they'll have to qualify for the UCL - this is just an example of potential problems) in the 3rd round of qualification and went out. Imagine what that would do to the club. We may end up in very deep water.

Compared to Liverpool our takeover is though beginning to look better. I don't think Liverpool are really in trouble though. They have good players and at least one interested owener. I think its Hicks who is the problem (correct me if i'm wrong). If they were both acting like idiots then Liverpool would be in big trouble.

I think the "crisis" at Liverpool is not a crisis though and the papers just like to have a laugh at them and try and write anything they can to make the situation look worse. I'll be extremely shocked if Rafa goes in summer. I'm sure Liverpool will make decent signings and be stable for the meanwhile.

So in all i don't think either situation is that bad.

One thing that ****es me off though about our club is that the shirts are changing again. Thats a bad move by the ownership...

[abojodeh]

oh carly you love galzer Marry him
i hate glazer
he dont know the word free cheap or even Sale!!!
sir bobby watch matches for free just because he is the club greatest legend
and when giggsy beat up his record (record of highest # of matches) i dont think that bobby gona watch a match for free

[RichardsReds]

sir bobby watch matches for free just because he is the club greatest legend
and when giggsy beat up his record (record of highest # of matches) i dont think that bobby gona watch a match for free

That'd be a disgrace. It wont happen.

[abojodeh]

That'd be a disgrace. It wont happen.
i bet it will richard

[RichardsReds]

Well i know it wont!

[abojodeh]

Well i know it wont!
glazer is gready kid he will

[RichardsReds]

If it ever happens you can have all my vcash, it wont happen.

[Sheasy]

Compared to Liverpool,Unitd's reign under American ownership is going extremely well dispite the huge debts.We are again looking like the one major force in english football and i doubt we would have been able to buy all 4 summer signings without Glazers money.But i think there is still a huge disliking of Glazer (rightfully so in my opinion)that will never go away.If given the chance today i'd still get rid of him even if it mean't being less successful for awhile.

[abojodeh]

If it ever happens you can have all my vcash, it wont happen.
realy yeah:D
i wish if this was real


Microsoft chief Bill Gates today released the shattering news that he intends to buy Manchester United PLC. The giant of the computer software world intends to pay a whopping £1 billion to own the club, lock, stock and barrel.
Shirt sponsor Vodafone will be replaced. The famous red home shirts will now carry the name "Microsoft" whilst all away kits will bear the name "X-Box".

At a news conference in Manchester, the Microsoft billionaire chief enthused: "Just as the X-Box is the future of video gaming, Manchester United is the future of World soccering. I believe we have a lot to offer each other in terms of synergy and cross-promotion. Everyone in England just loves Man United and they'll love the X Box as well with its range of amazing games".

"With its breakthrough technology and incredible graphics capabilities, Xbox will set the standard in gaming for years to come, just like the Man U have done in the 90's." Mr Gates continued.
Microsoft claims the X-Box can deliver three times the graphics performance of its rivals. Holding the console in his hands, Gates stated: "Rendering up to 12 million polygons per second on the screen, it enables game designers to create a whole new world of game-playing experiences that will captivate the imagination and competitive spirit of gamers like no other console."
Gates was enthusiastic about the co-operation. "As famous Manchester players like Bobby Charlton, Jim Best and Eric Can-tana have set the standards, so has Microsoft with its new XP software and X-Box system. Just like Manchester has overcome the Liverpool and London soccer franchises, Microsoft has overcome opponents like Apple and the OS Operating system. Not only that, in the future with new online enterprises we're ready to take on the challenges set by Linux and Sony".

When questioned about wether he would change the name of the club to "Microsoft United" Gates laughed. "No, no, no....the name is a vitally important part of global branding, marketing as well as the sporting legend of England and Soccer in general. Under this deal the team only has to spend 4 months touring America per year, so those at the legendary Trafford stadium will still see their stars most of the time."

The smiling Microsoft chief then shook hands with United boss Sir Alex Ferguson. "Sir Alex and I are very alike" beamed Gates, "In 1980 I created DOS, a standard disk operating system but I still was'nt happy, I wanted to improve it with the GUI friendly Windows software - likewise Sir Alex is always looking to improve his team with new players".

Manchester United chief executive Peter Kenyon said: "It's yet another example of Manchester United, whether it be on the field or off the field, breaking new ground,"

Kenyon added "Microsoft are an icon of America" Kenyon said. "Their executive staff know the North American markets better than anyone. Soccer has developed dramatically in the U.S. over the last 10 years and we believe there is a market for Manchester United content among football fans of all ages. This new deal will give us the money to buy Zidane and Rivaldo, I hope."

Bill Gates then continued to outline his vision: "We see Europe as the centre of this business, gamers in Europe will love the X-box and its top quality content. Now with the Man U's backing we are on to a winner."

There then followed a 20 minute film demonstrating the new X-box's gaming and online abilities. Added the computer billionaire, "I'm talking about an extended PC - a PC that talks to the TV set-top box, talks to the music player devices, co-ordinates with other PCs, its the future of technology in the 21st Century"

Manchester United's stock price increased 13 percent to £1.65 during mid-day trading on the London Stock Exchange before closing at £1.62, an increase of 15.4 percent. "Everybody loves the Man United and everybody loves Microsoft, its a win-win situation" concluded Gates.
http://www.manutdzone.com/funstuff/billgates.jpg

[RichardsReds]

Abo that is a massive fail of a post.

[abojodeh]

Abo that is a massive fail of a post.
why :confused:

[RichardsReds]

I take it you did actually read it?

[abojodeh]

I take it you did actually read it?
yeah i thougt it was real:( but its not:(

[Daemonic Jackal]

I think the one thing we can all agree on is that a club should belong to its supporters and if not at least be owned/run by someone who themselves is a fan of the club.

I dont think Liverpools internal problems have affected them on the pitch that much. Infact if you took those away they'd probably still be in a similar position anyway. you just have to look at the fact that only Torres & Gerrard would get in the teams of Man Utd or Chelsea if both players happened to be at either club. The others wouldnt get a lookin. Though i still think Hicks is a f*cking idiot who should take a leaf out the Glazers & Randy Lerners books and just leave his Ceo & Manager to get on with their jobs respectivly.

As regarding The Glazers I actually thought it was them who are actually in debt not the club. So if they certainly went into finacial ruin they'd would actually lose all of their assets not just Man Utd. As long as we're making a steady turnover every year we will never actually be in debt.

[campbell16]

yes i think that the shambles at looserpool has shown how good the glazers business brain is. they haven't got that much cash but they create great revenue and let fergie do the rest

[fazman]

manchester united premier league champs
united sign 4 world class players
united on the verge of a historic double
liverpool in a right old mess ' priceless'

[Stephen]

Accept the Glazers at Old Trafford?

Compared to the goings on at dirty Liverpool? Why should we. What's it got to do with them.

Love United, Hate Glazer. It's got nothing to do with Liverpool.

Someone's "less-off", so we just accept things?

[real_fan]

manutdpies.com :o It's been nearly three years since Malcolm Glazer bought a
controlling stake of United amidst widespread opposition with fears of
bankruptcy, rising ticket prices and even the formation of a separate club.

Since then, overseas investment in the Premier League has become commonplace
with eight clubs now operating under foreign ownership - but not all US
takeovers have gone according to plan.

We're talking of course about the ongoing battle at Liverpool between its two
American co-owners, George Gillett and Tom Hicks. By looking at what could have
happened, dcould it be that the Glazers might not be so bad after all?

Liverpool's owners have barely been in control for a year and already there are
strong suggestions that the club will be sold on for a profit to Dubai's DIC -
leaving the businessmen richer but without any progression or trophies to show
for the supporters.

The mutiny between the two partners, who this week are wrangling over the
worth of chief executive Rick Parry, has stretched from the board room to the
boot room and their relationship with Rafa Benitez has become repeatedly
strained by public disputes, restriction of funds and clandestine meetings with
German coaches.

Despite what the players claim, this must have had an effect on performances
and it's no coincidence that Liverpool's worst run of the season came when
Benitez was least sure of his job - and it still looks like only another Champions
League title will save him.

Meanwhile, very few people at United will have even seen Malcolm Glazer. He has
handed over directorial responsibilities to his two sons, the so-called 'Double
Glazers', but they also have taken a low profile approach leaving David Gill and
Sir Alex Ferguson to remain as the club's public faces.

Agreeably, ticket prices have increased and the compulsory cup tickets scheme
hasn't been well received but, while international business ventures grow
returning our title as the world's richest club, at least there hasn't been any
restrictions on the manager's buying.

Since then we have reclaimed the Premier League, spent a fortune on new young
talent, kept the world's best player and evolved into possibly the best team in
Europe - and all with less board room disputes than we remember during Martin
Edwards' days.

There is still the debt to finance but as long as the team is successful then the
bills will be paid while we concentrate on winning trophies.

If you look at our situation compared to Liverpool's - is it time to accept the
Glazers at Old Trafford ?


after reading that i cant help but feel you talk crap !

the glazers whether it be malcom or the brothers are lyers

they have lied to the fans, they have drove away a large amount of LOYAL fans

they have been replaced by idiot glory supporting freaks

the club continue to ruin the fans and treat them like crap !

personally i dont belive who you are and consider this a wind up if it isnt then your a disgrace

because the glazers have ruined our club we are probs worse than liverpool

[GeordieMancunian]

You have to admire the Glazer family for staying away from Old Trafford. They've allowed this club to continue the way it was before the takeover, allowing to do what we do best, win trophies and buy some of the best players in the world, with a manager who's been at the club for over 20 years and knows the world of football like the back of his hand.

The situation with Liverpool has just made me laugh and apprecate that the Glazers haven't done the same.

[real_fan]

oh and about this debt ?

its not the glazers its the club !

people are buzzing like (carly) saying we are the richest club in the world

we make 60 million a year and that pays off 1 years intrest on our debt, and thats after winning the league and getting to a final and a semi final

basically united are screwed and if we didnt qualify for the champions league we would go BUST !

people need to stop reading the bull (deleted) gill says and know the facts !

[Chester]

It could be a lot worse than what it is. As long as the Glazers stay out of the footballing side of things then ive no real problem. I do have a problem with the massive debt taken against the club though. as for the comment about "idiot glory supporting freaks" thats been happening long before the Glazers came to the fore. Prawn Sandwiches anyone?;)

If you want to see how to make a pig's ear of running a football club, take a look at Hearts. Thats how bad it could be. As Man Utd fans we should be glad we havent got someone like Romanov in charge! As a Hearts fan it not so good.:(

[Stephen]

Ripping the soul of a football club, OUR football club, MY football club, in two is considered pretty bad, myself.

[yangch0000]

theirs is worse, it doesnt make ours better.
pt made.

[GeordieMancunian]

http://img.skysports.com/08/01/218x298/Gillett_and_Hicks_2_625842.jpg

George Gillett has called on his Liverpool co-owner Tom Hicks to stop causing turmoil at the club and insisted he will never sell his shares to his fellow American.

Gillett and Hicks, who each own 50 per cent of Liverpool, have fallen out completely with neither prepared to let the other take over the club.

In an exlcusive interview with Sky Sports News, Hicks has also branded Liverpool chief executive Rick Parry's reign as "disastrous" and reiterated his demand that he resign.

But Gillett has thrown his weight full square behind Parry and says he is saddened by Hicks' outburst.

"I am saddened at this latest outburst from Tom Hicks," said Gillett in a statement.

Turmoil

"If Tom wanted a serious discussion on the issues to help the club move forward, he should bring his views to the board and not to Sky Sports.

"Here we are, a few days away from a vital Champions League semi-final match and Tom has once again created turmoil with his public comments.

"Tom should stop. He knows that Rick Parry has my support and that airing his comments in this way will not change my position.

"His failure to discuss this with the Board or the management committee is significant."

Hicks also claimed in his interview that it was Gillett and Parry who were the forces driving November's talks with Jurgen Klinsmann, something that Gillett disputes.

Taken aback

He added: "I was also taken aback by his version of the events as reported.

"Tom needs to understand that I will not sell my shares to him and that we need to find a way forward that is properly funded and truly in the best interests of Liverpool Football Club.

"The real business of winning matches and running and developing the club is what we should all be focused on at this moment."

^^^ LOL, they're like two spoilt little kids arguing over who has the biggest lollipop!!! :D

[Red Devil]

whats this manutdpies.com????

[-zuco-]

people need to stop reading the bull (deleted) gill says and know the facts !
And you need to cut out the swearing or you won't be here for very long.

It's a family forum, we have children as young as 13 on here so please try not to swear.

[dckyfoxes]

Really uncertain of what the Glazers were thinking about as many had already bad mouthed them to the point that every United Fans hate them... But on my opinion, the Glazers who are also the owner of Tampa Bay Buccaneers gave them a very good support fo many years...

From this we can say that he's a true fan of sports but a very rich fan which many are jealous of that's all. Although in debts, Sir Alex are still funded to make 4 summer signings which don't really come cheap. And so far after the takeover, the Glazers haven't really interfered much to what Sir Alex plans to the future. So from this I think he should be accepted for now as he's quite invisable to the matters of the club...

What we don't know is what kind of plans they have in mind for the future... We shall wait and see... For now compared with other clubs we are definately much more fortunate...

[Red Devil]

When they fight in the LFC boardroom its the American Cival War all over again. When the Glazers argue in our boardroom, its discussed!!

[dckyfoxes]

When they fight in the LFC boardroom its the American Cival War all over again. When the Glazers argue in our boardroom, its discussed!!

LMAO... :)
I can imagine the scenario...

[RedForceRising]

The boardroom shenanigans that have been going on at Anfield are disgraceful and have been funny to watch as an outsider. It has made me appreciate that the Glazers do not interfere with Fergie's management and don't give many interviews!

Having said that, I absolutely despise the fact that they used their own money to buy the club and then transfered that debt to the club.

To finance the debt that the Glazers have saddled the club with, we need to finish in certain positions in the league and Champions League EVERY single season.

Now, every fan of the club would want us to finish in those positions anyway, or we would be disappointed, but if you add the weight of financial debt into the equation it can get overwhelming.

And I for one am dreading the day Fergie or his successor fails to reach one of those targets, because I'm certain we will see some of the ugly scenes that are going on at Anfield.

What we are blessed with is a single owner. But Malcolm Glazer has left the running to his sons, so what happens when daddy dies? If they conduct their business and disagreements with dignity behind closed doors we might never witness it and be happy, but if one of them turns out to be a drama queen then the whole world will be laughing at us.


In case anybody is interested the supposed INTEREST on the loan the Glazers took is 60million pounds a year. THAT"S JUST THE INTEREST. That means we would have a whole stack of cash more, if the Glazer's weren't in charge.

There are some that say we might not have that type of money, but I tend to disagree.

Yes, their marketing expertise has helped to tie up some key/premium sponsors and partners, BUT the club already had a great track record of doing that before they arrived.

Man UTd already had Ronaldo on it's books and bought Rooney with old money, not Glazer money and was one of the richest clubs in the world, so I'm not sure their ownership has that much of an impact on our FINANCIAL success.

What hurts the most is that Fergie's relationship with the two Irish horse magnates and their eventual falling out resulted in David Gill having to find somebody who could out-muscle John Magnier and J.P. McManus.

If it weren't for Fergie gallivanting with the two of them and ****ing them off, we might not be under American ownership.

But this in the past and the Glazers own the club we love now. Ticket prices have increased and there a another club now, FCUM, where the fans sing louder than at Old Trafford, but we have one of the most exciting squads in Europe, which looks set to do well for years to come.

All looks rosy, but I'm fully aware that this sweet picture could turn sour very very quickly and I'm just appreciating the stability and on-field success we're enjoying at the moment.

It will be interesting to see, what the Glazers do to revive the atmosphere at OT and promote the attendance of teenagers at OT, which is something City are better at.

I have a feeling they might do nothing at all, because Americans are very fond of making decision based on data/numbers and as I mentioned earlier; at the moment they don't have a choice, because of the debt. This will only alienate the real fans and I can only hope that the new generation of fans are not just glory hunters, but genuinely love the club like they should. Even when the club doesn't love them back the way it should.

[akash_reds]

great post rfr.....
good thing that the glazers havent tried to interfer with SAF's work.......
and i do think the pool problems have earned the glazers alittle respect but they still havent got the support of all the fansa with their ticket fee hikes...
but i fail to undertsand how it affects us????

[carlyluvsunited]

after reading that i cant help but feel you talk crap !

the glazers whether it be malcom or the brothers are lyers

they have lied to the fans, they have drove away a large amount of LOYAL fans

they have been replaced by idiot glory supporting freaks

the club continue to ruin the fans and treat them like crap !

personally i dont belive who you are and consider this a wind up if it isnt then your a disgrace

because the glazers have ruined our club we are probs worse than liverpool



oh and about this debt ?

its not the glazers its the club !

people are buzzing like (carly) saying we are the richest club in the world

we make 60 million a year and that pays off 1 years intrest on our debt, and thats after winning the league and getting to a final and a semi final

basically united are screwed and if we didnt qualify for the champions league we would go BUST !

people need to stop reading the bull (deleted) gill says and know the facts !

After reading this - I too feel you write crap as well ... :)

Difference is I am right and you just made yourself look awfully stupid again.

The problem is .... I didn't actually write the thread sorry ... Oooops .....

Not paying attention again !!

I added the source ... manutdpies.com .... so I suggest you write to them ... ;)

A written apology is acceptable thanks ... ;)

[fazman]

After reading this - I too feel you write crap as well ... :)

Difference is I am right and you just made yourself look awfully stupid again.

The problem is .... I didn't actually write the thread sorry ... Oooops .....

Not paying attention again !!

I added the source ... manutdpies.com .... so I suggest you write to them ... ;)

A written apology is acceptable thanks ... ;)

lol!! go carly

[carlyluvsunited]

lol!! go carlyOh I did ... ;)

I hate it when they do that ...

get all worked up and they're on the wrong track all together :rolleyes:

[dckyfoxes]

your avatar very much suits the way of telling them off... LOL

[carlyluvsunited]

the fact you type this and repeat this ***** is laughable, so what do you think ?

im guessing the ticket increases effect you alot ?

how long you supporterd united for ?

3 or 10 years ? :rolleyes:I still think you were not paying attention.

So keep to the topic of the thread and everyone will be happy ... :)

[dckyfoxes]

OMG!!! you 2 are at it again...

[real_fan]

The boardroom shenanigans that have been going on at Anfield are disgraceful and have been funny to watch as an outsider. It has made me appreciate that the Glazers do not interfere with Fergie's management and don't give many interviews!

Having said that, I absolutely despise the fact that they used their own money to buy the club and then transfered that debt to the club.

To finance the debt that the Glazers have saddled the club with, we need to finish in certain positions in the league and Champions League EVERY single season.

Now, every fan of the club would want us to finish in those positions anyway, or we would be disappointed, but if you add the weight of financial debt into the equation it can get overwhelming.

And I for one am dreading the day Fergie or his successor fails to reach one of those targets, because I'm certain we will see some of the ugly scenes that are going on at Anfield.

What we are blessed with is a single owner. But Malcolm Glazer has left the running to his sons, so what happens when daddy dies? If they conduct their business and disagreements with dignity behind closed doors we might never witness it and be happy, but if one of them turns out to be a drama queen then the whole world will be laughing at us.


In case anybody is interested the supposed INTEREST on the loan the Glazers took is 60million pounds a year. THAT"S JUST THE INTEREST. That means we would have a whole stack of cash more, if the Glazer's weren't in charge.

There are some that say we might not have that type of money, but I tend to disagree.

Yes, their marketing expertise has helped to tie up some key/premium sponsors and partners, BUT the club already had a great track record of doing that before they arrived.

Man UTd already had Ronaldo on it's books and bought Rooney with old money, not Glazer money and was one of the richest clubs in the world, so I'm not sure their ownership has that much of an impact on our FINANCIAL success.

What hurts the most is that Fergie's relationship with the two Irish horse magnates and their eventual falling out resulted in David Gill having to find somebody who could out-muscle John Magnier and J.P. McManus.

If it weren't for Fergie gallivanting with the two of them and ****ing them off, we might not be under American ownership.

But this in the past and the Glazers own the club we love now. Ticket prices have increased and there a another club now, FCUM, where the fans sing louder than at Old Trafford, but we have one of the most exciting squads in Europe, which looks set to do well for years to come.

All looks rosy, but I'm fully aware that this sweet picture could turn sour very very quickly and I'm just appreciating the stability and on-field success we're enjoying at the moment.

It will be interesting to see, what the Glazers do to revive the atmosphere at OT and promote the attendance of teenagers at OT, which is something City are better at.

I have a feeling they might do nothing at all, because Americans are very fond of making decision based on data/numbers and as I mentioned earlier; at the moment they don't have a choice, because of the debt. This will only alienate the real fans and I can only hope that the new generation of fans or not just glory hunters, but genuinely love the club like they should. Even when the club doesn't love them back the way it should.


in all fairnes the whole world is laughing now

every takes the **** out of old trafford

before away fans used to get heavily abused now the k stand will sing who r ya and take photos :rolleyes:

[carlyluvsunited]

i tell you what, keep all that glory suportting day tripping crap at the other website and dont infest this site with it

giggs to sunderland and now the glazers are unreal

well done !

take it you havnt been to old trafford and seen the luhg*** stickers around town



***love united hate glazerI'll tell you what !

Keep to the subject of the thread - second time I warned you today !!

See Rule 2 ...

Three times and you're out Mr -

Now pay attention !!

[reddwarf]

I'm amused by what's going on at Liverpool but it hasn't changed my opinion of the Glazer's.

In the short-term everything looks rosy on the pitch. We're winning trophies, bringing in great players and playing fantastic football.

However, putting aside the increase in ticket prices for one moment, my main concern is the long-term future of the club. Is this debt sustainable? What will happen when Fergie retires? Where will we be in 10 years? What if we fail to qualify for the Champions League at some point? It's the uncertainty that has me worried.

[abojodeh]

lets say the following if glazer stays and giggsy retire
i will never ever be a united fan again

[versa]

I'm amused by what's going on at Liverpool but it hasn't changed my opinion of the Glazer's.

In the short-term everything looks rosy on the pitch. We're winning trophies, bringing in great players and playing fantastic football.

However, putting aside the increase in ticket prices for one moment, my main concern is the long-term future of the club. Is this debt sustainable? What will happen when Fergie retires? Where will we be in 10 years? What if we fail to qualify for the Champions League at some point? It's the uncertainty that has me worried.

I am in total agreement with you, share your concerns and have nothing to add. Just keeping my fingers crossed for the future and keeping my eyes on the pitch for now.

lets say the following if glazer stays and giggsy retire
i will never ever be a united fan again

Abo, Abo. Surely that can't be the two conditions to remain a United fan?! :eek:

[Stephen]

lets say the following if glazer stays and giggsy retire
i will never ever be a united fan again
What a disgraceful comment.

Love of United is MEANT to be inside you, part of you, you are meant to bleed United. United comes first in life (barring possibly family to some).

United > anything.

Shows the support of our club nowadays :(

And real fan, I find myself agreeing with your every post.

[abojodeh]

What a disgraceful comment.

Love of United is MEANT to be inside you, part of you, you are meant to bleed United. United comes first in life (barring possibly family to some).

United > anything.

Shows the support of our club nowadays :(

And real fan, I find myself agreeing with your every post.
i hate glazer i hate glazer i hate glazer
i would support united if they are in the 10th league BUT NO GREEDY PIG NAMED GLAZER

[Stephen]

i hate glazer i hate glazer i hate glazer
i would support united if they are in the 10th league BUT NO GREEDY PIG NAMED GLAZER
But you have supported United for the last 3 years with Glazer in charge :s

[abojodeh]

But you have supported United for the last 3 years with Glazer in charge :s
from 2005/2007 i didnt miss a league game but i dont like utd like the same way i used to

[real_fan]

from 2005/2007 i didnt miss a league game but i dont like utd like the same way i used to


you have seen united play on tv for the past 3 years :rolleyes:

and you wana boycott united now ?

think you should lay off the fizzy drinks fella :D

[Red Devil]

i hate glazer i hate glazer i hate glazer
i would support united if they are in the 10th league BUT NO GREEDY PIG NAMED GLAZER For heavens sake Abo, grow up.

If you had been around when Eric retired, would you have said the same? Would you have said the same if Sheikh Y'Moneybags had bought the place.

As long as the club goes on, and is successfully not interfered with I do not care!!

If you dont like United the "way you used to" go to city.

[real_fan]

For heavens sake Abo, grow up.

If you had been around when Eric retired, would you have said the same? Would you have said the same if Sheikh Y'Moneybags had bought the place.

As long as the club goes on, and is successfully not interfered with I do not care!!

If you dont like United the "way you used to" go to city.


they interfered with the MATCH GOING fans though havnt they ?

season tickets over 1000quid this season :rolleyes:

[Red Devil]

I am not sure what annoys you so much, try looking on the positive side. A fan is a fan is a fan, irrespective of whether they attend OT each home game or not. Many, we have to remember, cannot afford it any more. Which brings us to your point: there are loads of clubs/fans in the same position. Even Liverpool fans are forming a breakaway fans team now, like FC United and AFC Wimbledon - footy the world over is becoming too expensive. United are not unique, not unusual. Football is pricing itself into a grave.

[real_fan]

I am not sure what annoys you so much, try looking on the positive side. A fan is a fan is a fan, irrespective of whether they attend OT each home game or not. Many, we have to remember, cannot afford it any more. Which brings us to your point: there are loads of clubs/fans in the same position. Even Liverpool fans are forming a breakaway fans team now, like FC United and AFC Wimbledon - footy the world over is becoming too expensive. United are not unique, not unusual. Football is pricing itself into a grave.


football prices have froze at other clubs

uniteds keep going up

its a fact if the glazers didnt own us(have this debt) tickets would be less

they have drove out the loyalst fans who have morals

look i love united but im not a mug and im not some day tripper

i know whats to much mate

people (not you)

see the glory on the pitch but off it we are in turmoil

just because we are huge doesnt mean the debt will go away

we could easily end up like leeds easily !

[Red Devil]

football prices have froze at other clubs

uniteds keep going up

its a fact if the glazers didnt own us(have this debt) tickets would be less

they have drove out the loyalst fans who have morals

look i love united but im not a mug and im not some day tripper

i know whats to much mate

people (not you)

see the glory on the pitch but off it we are in turmoil

just because we are huge doesnt mean the debt will go away

we could easily end up like leeds easily !

All clubs put prices up each year, I am unsure of figures but someone surely will verify that? I agree about the debt but our equity far outweighs anything Leeds have or had. They do not even own their own ground - we do, and Carrington and estate nearby. We have not a problem with equity.

[real_fan]

All clubs put prices up each year, I am unsure of figures but someone surely will verify that? I agree about the debt but our equity far outweighs anything Leeds have or had. They do not even own their own ground - we do, and Carrington and estate nearby. We have not a problem with equity.


chelsea have froze their prices clubs like everton boro etc... have dropped

its a myth that all ticket prices are going up trust me

[fazman]

chelsea have froze their prices clubs like everton boro etc... have dropped

its a myth that all ticket prices are going up trust me


I love a good argument real fan your views are all right but I repect red devil as real fan so its not like your pick a fight with abo lol!!! i respect both your views in my eye's ticket prices have been froze at other clubs because they struggle to fill there grounds they arnt all as popular as manchester united

[kingstreet]

I know this is an old thread, but there are one or two points that haven't been made yet.

In the latest Manchester United Accounts, it states that £56m is owed for player transfers and this relates to the signings of Nani, Anderson and Hargreaves. In addition, a further £20.5m would be payable subject to conditions being met, such as international caps, new contracts etc.

This indicates the Glazers are not using "their money" to purchase players but are using Manchester United's credit facilities to make these purchases and hence adding to the already sizeable debt.

On the subject of the debt, the total outstanding will reach £755m this August. £425m is secured against the assets of Manchester United and while the debt may be in the name of Red Football Ltd, Red Football holds the Glazers shares in United as collateral for the loans. If the loans aren't paid, both the ownership of the club and the club's assets would still be at risk.

Red Football's Accounts will be published at the end of the coming week and we should be able to see what kind of damage the interest payments have done to the turnover figure for the group, published in February at £212m.

The ticket price announcement, made on April 25 last year, has this year been put back to May 3. Perhaps the Glazers can't wait for a European Cup win, but they can hold out for United winning (or at least being on the verge of) another League title?

That would fit nicely with their idea that fans will pay more in the wake of a bit of silverware!

[scott 4 evra]

why do people have such a thing against the Glazers. Before they took over, we were a good bit behind Chelski imo and now with the additions of Carrick, Anderson, Nani, Tevez etc. We are flying.

They have been great for the club. They've kept relatively quiet and have let SAF get on with his job. Compare them to the scouse owners we can only be happy.

[Red Devil]

Actually before they took over Chelski were a middle of the table team with no prospects. Then Abramo found Tesco and bought himself a team or two.

[SALFORD RED]

why do people have such a thing against the Glazers. Before they took over, we were a good bit behind Chelski imo .

Really ? Lets see if we were behind Chelski, since 1990 - Glazer takeover 2005.
Lets see if the rent boys match this.

FA CUP, 1990, 94, 96, 99, 04.
Prem. Champs. 1993, 94, 96, 97, 99, 2000, 01, 03.
European Cup. 1999.
Cup Winners Cup. 1991.
Intercontinental Cup. 1999.
Charity Shield. 1990, 93, 94, 96, 97, 03.

Don't think we were doing too bad really, do you ?

Why do fans have such a thing against the Glazers ?
Might help if you read some of the sensible replies in
this thread and many others.
.

[burnzy1987]

why do people have such a thing against the Glazers. Before they took over, we were a good bit behind Chelski imo and now with the additions of Carrick, Anderson, Nani, Tevez etc. We are flying.

They have been great for the club. They've kept relatively quiet and have let SAF get on with his job. Compare them to the scouse owners we can only be happy.
is that post a joke?

[scott 4 evra]

no i meant at the point glazers took over we were behind chelsea in the league obviously. before that we dominated yes.

(deleted) The glazers have been magnificent for the club.

[Red Devil]

no i meant at the point glazers took over we were behind chelsea in the league obviously. before that we dominated yes.

(deleted). The glazers have been magnificent for the club.

And I am delighted to be awarding you a warning for swearing in a post. Good Morning!!

[real_fan]

why do people have such a thing against the Glazers. Before they took over, we were a good bit behind Chelski imo and now with the additions of Carrick, Anderson, Nani, Tevez etc. We are flying.

They have been great for the club. They've kept relatively quiet and have let SAF get on with his job. Compare them to the scouse owners we can only be happy.


that post has to be a joke ?

if not you are the most ignorant person ive spoken to.

NFT

[-zuco-]

that post has to be a joke ?

if not you are the most ignorant person ive spoken to.

NFT

Why not educate the man with your vast 'wisdom' instead of resorting to name calling?

[real_fan]

why do people have such a thing against the Glazers. Before they took over, we were a good bit behind Chelski imo and now with the additions of Carrick, Anderson, Nani, Tevez etc. We are flying.

They have been great for the club. They've kept relatively quiet and have let SAF get on with his job. Compare them to the scouse owners we can only be happy.


zuco read that and you decide

we were behind chelsea before the glazers took over ? :eek:

my god i learn something new everyday, we won nothing before the glazers took over ! :rolleyes:

people can name all the players have the replica tops know what ronaldos fave film is and not call us manu

but are completly ignorant about, glazers lies to the fans broken promises massive ticket hikes, giving away tickets to execs giving priority to execs over the average fan.

just because we sre succesful do you think it means everything is ok ?

the rubbish atmospheres at old trafford ? thousands of loyal fans leaving ?

[Red Devil]

The atmosphere is rubbish compared with what I am used to, but thats another, already used, topic.

[real_fan]

The atmosphere is rubbish compared with what I am used to, but thats another, already used, topic.


what are you used to ?

[-zuco-]

To be fair, the atmosphere was rubbish before the Glazer's took over.
The prawn sarnie brigade were there long before Malc got his hands on OT.

[kingstreet]

Anything that has happened to United under the Glazers could have happened anyway, without us having to spend over £100m in takeover and refinance fees and £40m a year in interest payments.

Players were being signed before them, Ferdinand and Rooney to name but two. We didn't have to sell or loan out most of our youth prospects to provide the funds and we didn't buy players on credit either. The plc spent £165m between 2001 and 2005.

The Mansion sponsorship would have brought in more money than AIG, but the Glazers preferred AIG and it didn't give them problems with the "gambling" connection.

Doubtless ticket prices would have risen, but not to the same extent as we've seen. £29 ticket in April 2005 now £44 and more come May 3. If ticket prices only go up £2, that's still 58% in three years.

The TV deals had nothing to do with the Glazers, so nothing to credit them with, there.

So in return for shelling out £200m in fees and interest (so far), all the defenders can say is they leave Fergie alone and are better than the owners of Liverpool?

I'm sorry. That's just too high a price for too little in return...

... and I have no irrational hatred of them, their nationality, their religion or anything else. They simply represent what football has been allowed to evolve into in this country. Read things like 'The Football Business' or 'The Beautiful Game' both by David Conn and you'll realise there was, and should once again be, more to football than money.

[Red Devil]

what are you used to ?standing on the Stretford End come rain, hail or shine.

[Jazz 16]

why do people have such a thing against the Glazers. Before they took over, we were a good bit behind Chelski imo and now with the additions of Carrick, Anderson, Nani, Tevez etc. We are flying.

They have been great for the club. They've kept relatively quiet and have let SAF get on with his job. Compare them to the scouse owners we can only be happy.

With misinformed posts like this one you are asking for it Scottie.

There are a few threads on this,so Id suggest reading them through in their
entirety. There is a lot we dont know about so do the research before
making up your mind on the matter.

Admittedly,Im still learning about the Glazer's. I dont know every fact or figure,
but am learning quickly from the posts in here from people like Sal and Kingstreet
amongst others. What I do know is that we are in a terrible position off the
pitch with all the debt and that Glazer has ripped the soul from the club.
Their treatment of the fans is one of the most worrying aspects, but I guess this
is football today.
Im no Glazer basher by any means but I can see that what they have done is
wrong and unjust to so many, especially the loyal fan.
In the mean time Ill just carry on supporting my team.......

[scott 4 evra]

ye but Jazz, i have read the posts. I believe that most of what kingstreet said is correct. If you say there is a lot we don't know, why's everyone getting on their back.

I mean people are blaming the atmosphere on the Glazers. This is crazy stuff because the atmosphere was poor long before they came along.

What's misinforming about my last post anyway? Football is changing and I guarantee had the Glazers not taken over when they did, we would not be where we are now?

OK everyone give me your worst.

[scott 4 evra]

well done versa. now anyone with an intelligent reply?

[real_fan]

well done versa. now anyone with an intelligent reply?


atmosphere is worse because they have drove the loyal vocal support out and they have been replaced with muppets

glazers know nothing about our club they lied on mutv they are just greedy buisnessmen getting rich off the fans,


scott are you actualy effected by the takeover ?

when i and thousands others took to the streets of manchester to protest for the club we love and see gill turn his back on us, what were you doing ?