What?!?!?!?! (Hernandez in loan link)

[yazman]

Not really. Most bottom half teams just hoof the ball and even Rooney would struggle to shine in those teams.

Trusay, it's easier to make an impact against a top team like Chelsea is you had UTD players behind you rather than a team like WEST BROM or some-one

However, still think a loan for some of the strikers is a good idea

[J_WIN1]

Its better if he went on loan to Valencia, Valencia need a striker,and Hernandez has never played in Europe before so in the long run he will get enogh game time and experience. Macheda on loan is also a good option.

[yazman]

I don't necessarily think it should be Hernandez that goes on loan......should decide once he joins and SAF sees him in action along with the other strikers!

[EDPC]

Shock and horror. Hernandez is going out on loan

How can that be?

He has played in the Mexican league and a handful of games for Mexico. I apologise for any disrespect Mexicans may feel I am showing them but to be quite honest, the Mexican League is a rather poor cousin of the real football leagues of Europe so his 'Mexican League experience' counts for nothing. Any experience ANY player has at international level is of no significance to club managers. Steven Gerrard for England is more often than not useless but for Liverpool genius.

Hernandez has a lot to prove and a lot to learn and for £10m is a speculative buy by Sir Alex on the off chance he may prove to be genius.

Now here's the question. Do you pay this guy £40-£50,000 per week and see if he comes good after 20 weeks? A cost to you of £1,000,000 or do you send him on loan to Valencia. Do you risk him in your first team on the off chance he is good enough to play in the Premier League, or do you send him to Valencia and keep an eye on him?

After all, while on loan, Valencia are responsible for all his wages, expenses etc etc. Fergie has shelled out £10m and he will be paying no more while he watches the guy on a trial with Valencia. If he is not good enough for United he will sell him for about £10-£12m which for me is good business. If he puts in some world class performances Fergie will bring him back at the end of his loan spell and place him in the first team with no risk of him letting the side down.

Very rarely can you bring a young(ish) player to United/Liverpool/Arsenal/Chelsea and throw them in the first team and they become geniuses. I half expected a certain Cristiano Ronaldo to arrive at OT and go on loan. He was given a chance early and played his debut against Bolton soon after arriving at OT and my chin hit the floor. This spotty, goofy, precocious 18 year old ran rings round Bolton, he took the piss big time and I knew within 5 minutes of him coming on that maybe he was OK to stay.

There is nothing wrong with going on loan. Beckham, Scholes, Giggs, Butt, Gary Nev, Phil Nev and many others went on loan to various clubs and the rest is history.

Don't panic about any loan deal just sit back and watch. Hernandez might be rubbish or he might be a genius.

Personally, I can't wait to watch him play for Valencia and fingers crossed, he might be the real deal.

[Richie]

I wouldn't be against a loan to a decent European side at all. We've all seen with Forlan what can happen when you throw a young boy in at the deepend in a completely different footballing culture, at a club where nobody speaks his language and in a city than is the opposite of where he lives. I just hope that we could use the loan to integrate him into our side in the future, rather than just lose track of as we did with Rossi.

[LW1]

I wouldn't be against a loan to a decent European side at all. We've all seen with Forlan what can happen when you throw a young boy in at the deepend in a completely different footballing culture, at a club where nobody speaks his language and in a city than is the opposite of where he lives. I just hope that we could use the loan to integrate him into our side in the future, rather than just lose track of as we did with Rossi.

He seems bilingual enough.

[ClamBuster]

i cant stress enough how much i am against a loan deal... loan a 19yr old out who is short on first team experience, but not a 22yr old full international who speaks perfectly good english

if it happens its madness

[justboy]

If he does go on loan then i can only think we must be buying a new striker (linked lots with benzema and balotelli). surely.
last season we were so obviously short of goals and reliant on rooney so to buy a striker and then loan him out makes no sense whatsoever!!

[justboy]

http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={F9E570E6-407E-44BC-800F-4A3110258114}&newsid=6650566&page=2

sounds like he is defo staying with United. Good.

[harts83]

Excellent news. For the best.

[Owenzy]

Great news.

[HANDYMAN]

Phelan expects Hernandez impact

Javier Hernandez could become "a major influence" at Old Trafford, according to Manchester United assistant manager Mike Phelan.

The 22-year-old Mexico striker sealed a deal before the World Cup and went on to score two goals in South Africa.

As part of the package United will play his former club Chivas Guadalajara at the end of their summer tour.

Phelan said: "We were quietly pleased with what we saw of Javier at the World Cup.

"He is still on a break but we would like to get him on board as quickly as we can, so he will join us in America. Then hopefully he will be a major influence on the team.

"We did the deal before the World Cup and that has probably helped us a little bit! He has only just begun his career with the national team but already he is a very influential player for Mexico."

Hernandez, son of Javier Hernandez who played for Mexico in the 1986 World Cup, came to United's attention after scoring 29 goals in 79 games.

Phelan added "He is young, athletic and as keen as mustard. He will be a good addition.

"We all hope he hits the ground running and adds to what we think is a good blend of youth and experience in our squad. We just hope it all comes together."

United head out to their training camp in Chicago on Monday with former Fulham defender Chris Smalling part of the squad.

Phelan said: "We had spoken to Chris a few times before he actually joined us. We kept in close contact with him. He is with us now and looking forward to the challenge.

"A club this big is brand new for him. But given time and with a bit of patience, I am sure he will do well. The tour will help him settle in and get to know everyone."
Phelan expects Hernandez impact - Manchester Evening News

[ClamBuster]

"as keen as mustard"... has anyone come across a particularly 'up for it' condament on their travels?

[Carlo]

"as keen as mustard"... has anyone come across a particularly 'up for it' condament on their travels?

It's a really old saying referring to the taste, basically it's saying he's hot and spicy

[EDPC]

It's a really old saying referring to the taste, basically it's saying he's hot and spicy

The Olde England of folk-memory conjures up pictures of ale-quaffing yeomen tucking into sides of roast beef. That may be fanciful, but the long-standing enthusiasm for the Sunday roast was real, as reflected in the words of Richard Leveridge's 1735 song Roast beef of old England:

When mighty Roast Beef
Was the Englishman's food,
It ennobled our brains
And enriched our blood...

Mustard was an essential accompaniment to beef. It became associated with vigour and enthusiasm because it added zest and flavour. By the early 20th century, the association was so strong that the word was used like this:

1925 E. Wallace, in King by Night: "That fellow is mustard."

People and things weren't just like mustard, they were mustard. The phrase 'hot stuff' comes from the same notion.

Mustard's hot and zesty reputation wasn't limited to food. It was also considered a cure for colds and fevers. Here's part of the instructions for the use of a mustard plaster poultice, which was a 19th century remedy for 'chest congestion', used then by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

"As soon as the chest turns quite pink, remove the poultice."

Don't try this at home, or if you do, you might like to remove the poultice a little earlier. The church is now careful to say, "These remedies were used by pioneers and are not recommended for today's use."

The phrase is first recorded in William Walker's exhaustively titled Phraseologia Anglo-Latina, or phrases of the English and Latin tongue; together with Paroemiologia Anglo-Latina, 1672:

"As keen as mustard."

The context there is missing but the meaning is clear in F. Smith's Clod-pate's Ghost, 1679:

"You shall see a man as hot as Mustard against Plot and Plotters."

As keen as mustard

[Carlo]

I thought 1 sentence was sufficient!

[Menlo]

LOL

This really would be the ultimate anti-climax after the hype that was going round for this guy.

Haha agreed!