[SolskjaertheLegend]

I agree with FU to an extent. The police are crap at dealing with youth crime imo.

I know a lot of people that have done things you'd get done for, but hardly ever has any of them actually got caught by the police.

[ManUtd19]

Alternatively, just send your kids to my school and have them turned into good little robots:



Trooping the Colour. The four squadrons aren't visible.


Squadron C saluting the guard as they pass.


1st XV match on Saturday. My school's on the right.


Selley Concert.

I dont agree with you on that just cause they will be forced to join the army it wont mean to say they will not turn out to be good soldiers, After all they will get the best training by the best army & the army did not suffer from it last time national service was intact?

A system where minor offenders are send to the army would be a form of conscription and would be met with extreme opposition, and that's disregarding the immorality of such a decision. People die in the army. No one, especially those responsible for their problems, has the right to send them off into military service.

Instead of carrying a weapon for your own protection why dont you be of some good use & report these thugs to the authority & instead of being ignorant, It takes good community members to help fight against this disease that is striffing our streets & sorry to say FU your one of the few that is letting it all happen by not acting on it, You could inform the police without these thuggish mates of yours knowing that you have done a good deed?

Yes your right on one thing parents do have a big role model to play for the upbringing of there children but these parents just dont give a damn half the time?

Your stance on the matter is a little naive. People have every right to move out of a dangerous area. There shouldn't be some 'obligation' to stay and hold the fort. Such neighbourhoods aren't safe to raise children in and aren't pleasant to reside in. It is unlikely any one person could make a difference anyhow, and even so, behaviour is learned in the home. I'm immigrating to Canada next year mostly because the crime level in South Africa is beyond ridiculous. Does this mean I'm 'letting it happen' by not 'acting' on it? Informing cops of potential miscreants does little to alleviate crime quite frankly. They can't just go and arrest people and even if they did, they're out on the street in a week or so after paying a fine.

[Jennaluvsunited]

Originally Posted by SolskjaertheLegend

I agree with FU to an extent. The police are crap at dealing with youth crime imo.

I know a lot of people that have done things you'd get done for, but hardly ever has any of them actually got caught by the police.

Hey i agree with FU for carrying a weapon around for his own good but policing needs help of the community as well & alot are afraid to speak up to police?

Originally Posted by ManUtd19

A system where minor offenders are send to would be a form of conscription and would be met with extreme opposition, and that's disregarding the immorality of such a decision. People die in the army. No one, especially those responsible for their problems, has the right to send them off into

So what if it has opposition in the army not all would agree jeez but others would agree that it will help out in other ways like home security, help where the army is overstretched, So what if they die they certainly dont deserve a life in jail that no good jails are like holiday camps these days & i read it somewhere cant be sure tbh but it is now getting to where people are actually breaking in to jails lol?

Originally Posted by ManUtd19

Your stance on the matter is a little naive. People have every right to move out of a dangerous area. There shouldn't be some 'obligation' to stay and hold the fort. Such neighbourhoods aren't safe to raise children in and aren't pleasant to reside in. It is unlikely any one person could make a difference anyhow, and even so, behaviour is learned in the home. I'm to Canada next year mostly because the crime level in South Africa is beyond ridiculous. Does this mean I'm 'letting it happen' by not 'acting' on it? Informing cops of potential miscreants does little to alleviate crime quite frankly. They can't just go and arrest people and even if they did, they're out on the street in a week or so after paying a fine.

Hey hun everybody has a right to move where they want to this is something i never mentioned but there are areas that are nice that are turning out to be dangerous so this speaks up for itself as to why we should do our part on tackling crime instead of ignoring it, The police do have the powers but they lack good help from the community within? Hey great pics by the way

Originally Posted by SALFORD RED

Brick through my window

or dead...

I know which i'd pick every time.
Hopefully we wont read about you on these pages..
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=man...obs&hl=en&sa=2

Chicken sal your a softie Hey gary was not on his own when this sad tragedy happened his family got involved too, Yes it ended in tradgedy but at least he stood up to them & not just sit there being a coward & after all the latest events the wifes are all calling for more justice to be done, Come on guys it seems it only us girls who want to make our streets safer

[ManUtd19]

Originally Posted by Jennaluvsunited

So what if it has opposition in the army not all would agree jeez but others would agree that it will help out in other ways like home security, help where the army is overstretched, So what if they die they certainly dont deserve a life in jail that no good jails are like holiday camps these days & i read it somewhere cant be sure tbh but it is now getting to where people are actually breaking in to jails lol?

You're kidding right? Prison is usually a temporary affair, and regardless, everyone has a right to freedom and life. Most kids who are taken into the station don't get a term in jail anyway. I can assure you that no one is breaking into jail. There might have been one or two exceptions throughout the ages where someone was in on a breakout or something.

Kids who have not had a proper childhood and have suffered because of their parents generation are not the playthings of the government, to throw into the army because they're an easy target and recruits are needed. I don't think anyone on earth, not even the Cuban drug lords with special 'arrangements' with their authorities, would regard prison as a 'holiday camp'.

Originally Posted by Jennaluvsunited

Hey hun everybody has a right to move where they want to this is something i never mentioned but there are areas that are nice that are turning out to be dangerous so this speaks up for itself as to why we should do our part on tackling crime instead of ignoring it, The police do have the powers but they lack good help from the community within? Hey great pics by the way

The police do not have the power. They usually don't have the evidence either. No one has the capacity to take on the entire youth of a nation. Parents need to raise their kids properly and the government needs to improve education.

Once again, I stress that 'communities' are unable to prevent crime. Their tipoffs aren't enough to arrest anyone and gangs will just disappear for a few minutes or act cool while a cop drives past. Any action more than that by a group of civilians would be vigilante and illegal, and also dangerous and they'd quickly be targeted by criminals.

[Jennaluvsunited]

Originally Posted by ManUtd19

You're kidding right? Prison is usually a temporary affair, and regardless, everyone has a right to freedom and life. Most kids who are taken into the station don't get a term in jail anyway. I can assure you that no one is breaking into jail. There might have been one or two exceptions throughout the ages where someone was in on a breakout or something.

Kids who have not had a proper childhood and have suffered because of their parents generation are not the playthings of the government, to throw into the army because they're an easy target and recruits are needed. I don't think anyone on earth, not even the Cuban drug lords with special 'arrangements' with their authorities, would regard prison as a 'holiday camp'.



The police do not have the power. They usually don't have the evidence either. No one has the capacity to take on the entire youth of a nation. Parents need to raise their kids properly and the government needs to improve education.

Once again, I stress that 'communities' are unable to prevent crime. Their tipoffs aren't enough to arrest anyone and gangs will just disappear for a few minutes or act cool while a cop drives past. Any action more than that by a group of civilians would be vigilante and illegal, and also dangerous and they'd quickly be targeted by criminals.

No im not kidding google it up with the breaking in part of jails in this country there where reports a while back, Also police do have powers they will tackle this problem with real professionalism they just need help with the community this is why people like FU should do the right thing & when you say communities are unable to prevent crime this is my whole point that why i say communities should do more instead of ignoring it or else this will happen sorry to say

Yes your right about kids need bringing up properley with love & good quality of life & good education this is another issue but the ones who are already dragged up & not brought up would be a great to stick them in national service, Alot of people though seems to have lost there faith with the police & its a shame really

Another good idea in which i forgot to mention is to overturn the human rights rubbish?

[Forever_United]

Originally Posted by Jennaluvsunited

Sorry hun thats rubbish about the police you dont have to wait for the police to arrive if you pick up the phone & dial & inform the police these thugs will not know about it, You have the right to remain anonymous, You sound like charles bronson being a vigilante, Do the right thing hun & come to your senses & report these thugs like i said by phone?

i'd rather face a lad thats bothering me then snitch on him to the police quite frankly. these thugs are cowards inside, once they know who there dealing with they'd find another street to terrorise or another house to annoy. in my eyes bein an informer is the cowards way out

people might call me crazy but thats the way i see it in my eyes.

[SolskjaertheLegend]

Originally Posted by Forever_United

i'd rather face a lad thats bothering me then snitch on him to the police quite frankly. these thugs are cowards inside, once they know who there dealing with they'd find another street to terrorise or another house to annoy. in my eyes bein an informer is the cowards way out

people might call me crazy but thats the way i see it in my eyes.

i see it your way aswel. If u call the police and they cant do anything, nothings going to change, but if they find out it was YOU that called the police, well its just going to get worse.

[ManUtd19]

Originally Posted by Jennaluvsunited

No im not kidding google it up with the breaking in part of jails in this country there where reports a while back, Also police do have powers they will tackle this problem with real professionalism they just need help with the community this is why people like FU should do the right thing & when you say communities are unable to prevent crime this is my whole point that why i say communities should do more instead of ignoring it or else this will happen sorry to say

Yes your right about kids need bringing up properley with love & good quality of life & good education this is another issue but the ones who are already dragged up & not brought up would be a great to stick them in national service, Alot of people though seems to have lost there faith with the police & its a shame really

Another good idea in which i forgot to mention is to overturn the human rights rubbish?

Like I said, unusual cases will always exist with regard to breaking into prisons. It is largely irrelevant though. In very poor countries, some people make an effort to be imprisoned in order to eat a meal every day. But again, irrelevant.

I can assure that no security force in the world can take on the population. History has proven this to be true time and time again, and it will continue to hold true. The problem is not the crime, as crime is an end product of a break-down in a fabric of society, but is the poor levels of education and lack of decent upbringing in homes.

In your country, doubt in the police force might be merited by the fact that they're overwhelmed and therefore cannot address all the issues. In my country, the police force has failed. Plain and simple, end of story. It's a shame on the government, not the people.

I'm going to ignore your comment on revoking basic human rights. My comment towards such an attitude might get me permanently banned from this board.

[SALFORD RED]

Originally Posted by Jennaluvsunited

Hey i agree with FU for carrying a weapon around for his own good but policing needs help of the community as well & alot are afraid to speak up to police?




Chicken sal your a softie Hey gary was not on his own when this sad tragedy happened his family got involved too, Yes it ended in tradgedy but at least he stood up to them :

Obviosly you missed the other hundreds of cases on all the pages and just picked one.

Chicken ? Coward ? The ones that carry blades and weapons are the
COWARDS and CHICKENS. SCUM that want taking off the streets.
Carry a knife, 5 years no questions.

Chicken, Coward ? Me ? You know nothing at all about me and
if you did you would certainly not be calling me that. You're calling
the wrong fella here Jenna.
.

[Keano!]

Anti-social behaviour all stems from a child's up bringing.

Should parents discard rules and lay back and let their son/daughter do what
they want, the trouble will happen. Its logic. If kids see their parents drink, they'll
drink, if they see violence, they'll fight, if they see love and caring and rules, then
they will grow up believing that this is the way things should be.


As for carrying weapons, well, that's just plain and utterly stupid...
...for what reason re you going to "pull" a knife or another weapon on
someone? Because they call you fat or something stupid!


Overall, its laid back parents who don't give a damn how their kids act and that
who to blame. Thankfully I was brought up in an environment where, if I did
something wrong, I was disciplined.

Bad parents = anti-social behaviour