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Old 23-09-2008, 04:09 PM   #1
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Top Economist Mishkin: Worse Than the Depression

In case there are people interested in the current financial storm sweeping through the world, here is an article that perhaps gives some hope for us to finally see the light at the the end of the tunnel?

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Economics scholar and former Federal Reserve Governor Frederic Mishkin says the shock that continues to rip through the nation's economy is actually worse than what was felt during the Great Depression.

"The difference is, we have people on the ball," the Columbia University professor told CNBC.

Mishkin said he was impressed by the way his former colleagues at the Fed handled crises.

"During all these episodes...everybody stayed very cool, calm, and collected," he recalled. "Chairman Bernanke is someone who sits down, is very analytical, thinks through, doesn't get excited, just, 'Let's do the job,' the staff operated that way, the rest of the board operated that way." (Watch the accompanying video for more on what Mishkin has to say on the economy...)

That said, he believes it is appropriate for the Federal Reserve to turn the management of the crisis over to Congress and the Administration.

"The Federal Reserve is not supposed to be doing fiscal policy," he said. "In fact, when you're spending taxpayers' money in a big way, it's got to be dealt with by the legislative branches and the executive branch."

The key, he explained, is timing.

"When things happen, you have to act very quickly," he said. "The problem is, if you try to act well before anything happens—particularly in terms of any bailouts—then in fact you create incentives for people to take on excessive risk."

He's big on Bernanke, but he's also impressed with the administration's point man.

"We have Hank Paulson, who understands what Wall Street is all about, and in fact the dangers that are lurking there, and the need for speed, and the ability to work with Congress," Mishkin said. "We saw that during the stimulus package; it was surprising how quickly that was done; it was done in a reasonable way; it's very important to have people like that in charge right now."

Mishkin's Full Comments ...

* Economy Under Pressure
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=864813219

* Dealing with the Crisis
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=864815197

* Making Sense of Markets
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=864818790

* Last Word on Economy
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=864822929
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Old 23-09-2008, 06:33 PM   #2
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What other experts say....

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WALL STREET IN CRISIS - A CNBC SPECIAL REPORT

Pros Say: More Gloom and Some Silver Lining

Uncertainty and volatility are two key words for markets these days as more gloom lies ahead. The banking industry and hedge funds are likely to continue to suffer, and investors should be extra-cautious with their money, market pros told CNBC Tuesday. Find their comments below:

Uncertainty Rules

"Nobody knows what these current regulations mean. Nobody knows what it's going to mean for hedge funds going forward, where investors should be putting their money, when the cycle's going to end," Aoifinn Devitt, principal at Clontarf Capital.

Doubts on Bailout Success

"People rely on the people in Congress, at the Fed, at the Treasury, people that brought us into this trouble, to take us out of trouble. I don't think they will succeed," Marc Faber, managing director of Marc Faber Limited.

"So I think that A.) the financial markets will not recover and we became oversold 10 days ago. We can have recovery rallies but a new high on the S&P is practically out of the question for a very long time. In real terms, equities are still very high and economically, I think the world will go into a slump."

The U.S. government should not be taking on toxic assets from the banks, said Uwe Parpart, chief economist and strategist for Asia at Cantor Fitzgerald when explaining why the bailout plan will not fixing the problem in the financial markets.

"It's not going to solve all the problems that the financials face," Andy Lynch, fund manager from Schroders, told CNBC, adding that the price for toxic assets could be set at distressed levels because weaker banks will be under greater pressure to get rid of them than banks with stronger balance sheets.

The Bailout Price Is Crucial

Not only will the effectiveness of the bailout package be eagerly anticipated, but so will its price, according to Fredrik Nerbrand, head of global strategy at HSBC Private Bank.

If the U.S. government prices the assets they are taking over too cheaply, deflation will remain in the markets and a recession would loom on the horizon. If the assets are overpriced, we will have inflation which would lead to a resurgence in the markets, Nerbrand added.

Politics Scares Markets

"When the package was announced last week, there was certainly bipartisanism and now all of a sudden, we are beginning to see the Democrats wanting to add other amendments to the bill, and so I think that's got the market quite worried. I also believe there's fear out there perhaps we might not get some resolution on this by the end of the week, so that has really caused the market to have some second thoughts and, of course, we saw the market respond in a very negative way yesterday," Peter Cardillo, chief market economist at Avalon Partners said.

"Once we get this bill passed, we should begin to get some confidence back, especially in the credit markets. And once that happens, obviously, we going to have to assess economic activity going forward."

US Financial Overhaul Required

The U.S. needs to move to a unified regulatory framework model like the UK's FSA, according to Uwe Parpart, chief economist and strategist for Asia at Cantor Fitzgerald.

Slippery Slope of Recession

If the U.S. slips into a prolonged recession, even the booming economies like China won't be able to prevent Asian economies from slowing, said Vishnu Varathan, regional economist at Forecast.

The Only Option Left?

The U.S. bailout plan is probably the only option left to save the ailing U.S. financial market, noted Stuart Bennett, senior European economist at Calyon.

Silver Lining: Direction is Good

"However this package comes out, however Congress deals with it, or not, directionally, things are moving in the right direction, Sir Martin Sorrell, CEO of WPP said Tuesday.

"I think we may well be seeing the beginning of the end. I still hold to the view that financial markets will start to recover in the middle of next year and that the real world will pick up into 2010. 2009 will be a difficult year."

We might be starting to see a new phase of the financial crisis following the proposed U.S. bailout plan, observes Geoff Lewis, head of investment services at JF Asset Management.

Confidence Will Return

The return in confidence is going to be just as sharp as the fall in confidence has been, Sir Martin Sorrell, CEO of WPP, told "Squawk Box Europe."
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There are worrying signs ahead.

I'm only glad that India and China are doing so well. It sort of makes the world a little less defendant on America.
Still, American corporations are so big and employ so many people world-wide that this will definitely have an effect on American consumers and thus people who are employe by American MNCs around the world.


Let's hope their bail-outs work and that they learn to watch their financial institutions a bit more closely in future.
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Bernanke's Plea for Bailout Is Met With Skepticism
http://www.cnbc.com/id/26868339

No Bailout Would Mean "Carnage" for Markets: Analysts
http://www.cnbc.com/id/26866570
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US Bailout in Chaos, WaMu Is Biggest Bank Failure

A rescue for the U.S. financial system unraveled late Thursday amid accusations Republican presidential candidate John McCain scuppered the deal, and Washington Mutual was closed by U.S. authorities and its assets sold in America's biggest ever bank failure.

As negotiations over an unprecedented $700 billion bailout to restore credit markets degenerated into chaos, the largest U.S. savings and loan bank was taken over by authorities and its deposits auctioned off. U.S. stock futures fell by more than 1 percent....

http://www.cnbc.com/id/26895236



$700 Billion May Not Be Enough: Dr Doom

$700 billion may not be enough to bail out Wall Street says one analyst, given the lack of transparency and the length and breadth of financial markets involved.

Marc Faber, editor & publisher of 'The Gloom, Boom & Doom Report', told CNBC's Asia Squawk Box on Friday, he doubts that $700 billion would make any difference when you consider the size of U.S. credit markets....

http://www.cnbc.com/id/26895741



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Hundreds of Economists Urge Congress Not to Rush on Rescue Plan

More than 150 prominent U.S. economists,
including three Nobel Prize winners, urged Congress to hold off on
passing a $700 billion financial market rescue plan until it can be
studied more closely.

In a letter yesterday to congressional leaders, 166 academic
economists said they oppose Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson's plan
because it's a ``subsidy'' for business, it's ambiguous and it may
have adverse market consequences in the long term. They also expressed
alarm at the haste of lawmakers and the Bush administration to pass
legislation.

``It doesn't seem to me that a lot decisions that we're going to have
to live with for a long time have to be made by Friday,'' said Robert
Lucas, a University of Chicago economist and 1995 Nobel Prize winner
who signed the letter. ``The situation may get urgent, but it's not
urgent right now. Right now it's a financial sector problem.''

The economists who signed the letter represent various disciplines,
including macroeconomics, microeconomics, behavioral and information
economics, and game theory. They also span the political spectrum,
from liberal to conservative to libertarian.

Some lawmakers are already citing the letter as reason not to endorse
the Paulson plan. Today Senator Richard Shelby, a Republican from
Alabama, said he has ``five pages of the leading economists in America
that wrote to me and the leadership saying the Paulson plan is a bad
plan. It will not solve problems. It will create more problems.''

`How Capitalism Works'

The letter, initially conceived by economists at the University of
Chicago, was signed by professors from dozens of American universities
and several outside the U.S.

David I. Levine, a professor of economics at University of
California-Berkeley, says the current plan being discussed has the
wrong structure.

``The structure is designed for the Treasury to be the first line of
defense,'' said Levine, who studies organizations and incentives. ``A
whole lot of people made money supposedly by putting their capital at
risk, and those are supposed to be the first line of defense, that's
how capitalism works.''

Jeffrey Miron, a Harvard University professor and self- described
libertarian, objects to what he says is `` a stunningly broad,
aggressive government intervention without appropriate precedents.''

He advocates allowing the normal process of business failure and
bankruptcy to run its course. ``It's just nothing like the calamity
the administration is making it out to be,'' he said.

Unprecedented Power

Erik Brynjolfsson, of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's
Sloan School, said his main objection ``is the breathtaking amount of
unchecked discretion it gives to the Secretary of the Treasury. It is
unprecedented in a modern democracy.''

Advocates for a rescue plan this week point to a seizing up of credit
markets, reflected in elevated inter-bank lending rates, as reason for
action. Some economists are unconvinced.

``I suspect that part of what we're seeing in the freezing up of
lending markets is strategic behavior on the part of big financial
players who stand to benefit from the bailout,'' said David K. Levine,
an economist at Washington University in St. Louis, who studies
liquidity constraints and game theory.
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They are really ******! and I work for an American company. Thankfully we have exposure to European and Asian markets, but this is going to be a very uncomfortable ride.

I'm hoping that some good will come out of this and maybe the average American will start more attention to politics and issue that effect them, because they affect people around the world too.

When I was there, I had the feeling that the Americans I met were not really interested in politics and some openly said they wouldn;t vote. I have not heard that from many Europeans or British people.

The price of ignorance is not going to be blissful on this occasion.
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They are really ******! and I work for an American company. Thankfully we have exposure to European and Asian markets, but this is going to be a very uncomfortable ride.

I'm hoping that some good will come out of this and maybe the average American will start more attention to politics and issue that effect them, because they affect people around the world too.

When I was there, I had the feeling that the Americans I met were not really interested in politics and some openly said they wouldn;t vote. I have not heard that from many Europeans or British people.

The price of ignorance is not going to be blissful on this occasion.

I am more surprised you are the only other poster in this thread.

A bit more pain I expect but as all the biggies get roasted one by one, let's hope most of the bad news are out already and that we are nearer the end of the tunnel. But as always, the market which is forward looking and a leading indicator for economy by 6 to 9 months, will have to reverse first.

I will update this thread with the latest developments accordingly.
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I am more surprised you are the only other poster in this thread.

A bit more pain I expect but as all the biggies get roasted one by one, let's hope most of the bad news are out already and that we are nearer the end of the tunnel. But as always, the market which is forward looking and a leading indicator for economy by 6 to 9 months, will have to reverse first.

I will update this thread with the latest developments accordingly.


Well, let's say the two of us plus blondedevil, who works for hbos, are probably the most effected.

Living in the Lion City, I think both of us remember 97 and 2001. I finished my NS in Feb 2001 and it was really hard getting a job and only managed to do so, because my friend had been working at M1.

A lot of people in Singapore are employed by American companies or companies that provide products and services to American companies, so when America sneezes, Singapore catches a cold.

Thankfully, the scenario is not quite the same and more local companies are exposed to other markets, plus we have all these foreigners in Singapore who have created more business locally, but there will be negative developments because of this.

If the government sanction the Fed's bailout plan, America is totally screwed and let's not forget that Man Utd are owned by Americans.

It's really so ridiculous that all these financial institutions were so lax about handing out loans to everybody and then a few smart ******* sold those loans as investments.

Germany;s oldest bank was the first to go and I thought that was a one-off back then and thought them stupid to have bought up so many loans. That was just the tip of the iceberg.

A lot of smart rich people, tricked the dumb rich people and running away with the money, but they have just screwed their entire country.

I think sometimes education makes people dumb.
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Lawkmakers Reach Breakthrough on Bailout

U.S. congressional leaders Sunday said they had reached the broad outline of a deal to put in place a $700 billion financial system bailout but were awaiting details on paper before declaring it final.

U.S. congressional leaders locked themselves behind closed doors Saturday to try to hash out a deal. A bi-partisan meeting started at 3 p.m. ET. The meeting included top negotiators from the Senate and the House of Representatives as well as a number of committee chairmen.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said a breakthrough came around midnight Saturday night/Sunday morning and that an announcement on a bailout bill deal will likely follow on Sunday.....

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Lawkmakers Reach Breakthrough on Bailout

U.S. congressional leaders Sunday said they had reached the broad outline of a deal to put in place a $700 billion financial system bailout but were awaiting details on paper before declaring it final.

U.S. congressional leaders locked themselves behind closed doors Saturday to try to hash out a deal. A bi-partisan meeting started at 3 p.m. ET. The meeting included top negotiators from the Senate and the House of Representatives as well as a number of committee chairmen.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said a breakthrough came around midnight Saturday night/Sunday morning and that an announcement on a bailout bill deal will likely follow on Sunday.....

http://www.cnbc.com/id/26913930


this is very good news. I think it will definitely cause inflation in America, but it's better than having bi chunks of the population on the streets because of homelessness. Think without the bailout there will be upheaval in this country and maybe even riots and looting. Probably there will be even with the bailout.
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