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Discussion in 'All Other Sports' started by R_9-Ronaldo, Jul 13, 2009.
Discuss weekend fights and general boxing stuff here lads:first:
I'll start, Mayweather - Marquez 24/7 starting soon
Anybody looking forward to the SUPER6 supermiddleweight tournament coming up?
Arthur Abraham 30-0-0
Mikkel Kessler 41-0-1
Jermain Taylor 28-1-3
Carl Froch 25-0-0
Andre Ward 19-0-0
Andre Dirrell 19-0-0
Amir Khan vs Andreas Kotelnik [WBA World Light-Welterweight Championship] Tomorrow at the Manchester MEN Arena. I predict Amir will win on points
woww.. those are some good records.. i say taylor will take it
No way taylor takes it he already got koed by froch in his last fight.
khan will win by early ko
I'm hyped about this line up, its the best thing to happen to boxing in years. Most of the recent action has revolved around Mayweather and he's such a negative fighter. Really boring to watch now, he hasnt been the same since he lost to Castillo (I know he was judged to have won but he lost that fight).
I've got Kessler all the way in this, but its a damn good line up. I think Kessler, Froch, Taylor and Abraham could all come out on top if things go there way.
But for me Kessler is just a great all round fighter and I dont think his loss to Calzaghe was as convincing as people made it out to be. I wanted Calzaghe to win but I was worried about him getting KO'd right until the final bell. Kessler looked awesome prior to the loss.
Someone mentioned Taylor winning it and that could be true but I dont think he has the balls for it. He's obviously brave to even accepted the fights he's been involved with but there is something missing when he needs to force a decision, he hasnt got enough fight in him when things aint going his way. But considering he said he doesnt even like boxing that much, he's done really well.
i see froch coming out on top ---he has the biggest bang and even when in trouble he digs a win out --kessler is very good -joes pitter patter punching is just so tough to counter . as you say its a mouth watering prospect ---like the contender tv show but with proper top rate fighters and none of the pony
I've always rated Kessler power more than Froch. The only reason being is that Froch needs to load his punches to get the same effect, he really leans into his shots and Kessler just pops them out with excellent technique.
Either way, both can bang, so can most of the fighters in the 6. The only one I havent seen is Dirrell. I havent watched much boxing recently because its been a bit lame, so maybe thats why I havent seen him.
I think Froch is good and he can obviously dig the win out when things are not going his way but I think he gets tagged a bit too much for him to win overall. On his day I think he could beat any of them but fighting elite fighter after elite fighter is going to be tough for someone with his style.
Best heavyweight of all time and why?
top 5 as follows
1. ali ----beat the best in the best era for the game
2. joe louis --great talent
3. george foreman ---brute of a man
4. mike tyson
5. joe frazier
ken norton was close to a spot
I would only have ali and louis out of those guys in a top 5, infact some would be pushed to make the top ten and ken norton isn't a great fighter.
so whats your top 5 ? cant have it that norton wasnt a great .
I think Marciano was the best ever, then Joe Louis and Jack Dempsey.
I've watched the Ali era so many times and I cant help think it was overated, i'm not trying to say it was bad but I dont think it was the greatest era. It was a popular era but no better than the other good era's. I dont really think there was a greatest era.
the rock was too small to have lived with ali for my money and foreman would have beasted him all around the ring as well . it is very difficult to compare fighters from different eras but marciano just wasnt big enough to have done it against true 16 stone plus guys ----it was also an era when the mob controlled the game worse than now .
I think that Norton was a great athlete but not a great boxer, he was overated but I think he could have fought in any era and done well. Foreman is the same but he became very good at boxing, he was smart and learnt from his mistakes. It was lucky for Ali that he was smarter than Foreman at the time they fought because it would have been a one sided win for Foreman if he had of been smarter in his youth.
It depends how you look at it, boxing adapts and fighters find a way of beating the style of previous era's.
Ali found a way of beating the Maricano type style, because he was able to be effective when fighters still fought a bit like rocky, but Tyson found a way of beating everyone who copied Ali's style, then Lewis found a way of beating that style.
I think if you look at it like that maybe Lewis or Vitali Klitchko might have been the greatest ever because their styles are just so dominate. I dont think even with all Ali's speed and ability he could win against big and technical fighters like them. Even a prime Tyson would struggle against them.
Its true that the mob are likely to have played a role in Marciano's success but even if I woke up with a horses head on my pillow, i'd trust them more than Don King.
Lewis only beat Tyson because the latter was washed up. He barely even trained for the fight. Infact after the fight he said "I can now pay my bills, so it was worth it", or something to that effect.
Tyson isn't in the top 5, though he would have been the greatest ever had his trainer not died. In his early days he fought with boxing ability, but then Cuz died, and Tyson went to drugs, prison ect and turned into someone who relies soley on his power.
I think Foreman was better than Ali. Ali did beat him, but that was because he suprised Foreman (and everyone else) with his tactics.
He just defended the whole fight, while Forman kept punching - and missing hundreds of punches each round.
In the end he became physically knackered, so Ali could just KO him at will.
If they had fought again Foreman would have won, as he'd know what to expect.
Ali beat Fraizer 2-1, while Forman destroyed Fraizer in a couple of rounds in one of the most dominant matches of all time.
I know you can't use this style to judge who would win, but it's still worth noting.
A prime Tyson would blow away pretty much any heavyweight that's ever stepped into the ring - I'd never pick a winner between him and Ali though....