Manchester United's Most Clinical Player Rankings In Front Of Goal?

would it not be total shots?

because you want to score when you shoot.... - sure the figures will be lower but that doesn't matter.... it should be goals/shots

So you honestly think Park is the most clinical player in the club?

No because you want to allow for as many variables as possible, that's why we take a accuracy percentage from shots on target/shots and then the clinicality percentage from goals/shots on target.

It's not perfect but as Irredentist said, it's the best we have.

Perhaps it should be the average of accuracy and conversion?

Anyway I'm off the pub, if anyone wants to work out the average of accuracy and clinicality to give another value which they think would be correct as clinicality and call the current clinicality value "conversion", go ahead, as long as you can do math...


@Canto, as I've said (in other words), the less data you have the greater the margin for error, there isn't a lot of data for Park so his result may not be completely representative of the truth. With players like Ronaldo, Rooney and Messi etc that we have a lot of data for their results will have a greater accuracy.

That's science.

Well you did also say that Berbatov is our most clinical striker, proven by stats, so that was enough for me to think you didn't know what you were on about.

This season, on the data we have, he is quite clearly. It's you who doesn't know what they're on about pal!

The fact that he's hardly played but still managed 7 goals in the league should be a clue to how clinical he is, perhaps!

Personally i dont really like Berba that much. But he is one of our most clinical strikers.

As much as I love Berba, no, he's just not our most clinical striker. Like I said before, stats can be misleading.

Ok, provide evidence to back up your opinion.

Lol, it's so sad when you see people reduce football to a bunch of pathetic numbers to try to prove a point. Not taking the quality of the goal scoring chances and trying to measure how clinical a striker is, is borderline insanity.

In Flash's own world:

Winning a penalty is not an assist.
A rebound is not an assist.
Berbatov is better than Cavani.
The Championship is the 5th strongest league in the world and better than Ligue 1.
Berbatov (and Park?) are our most clinical players.

Flash has his own football world, where even the rules of the game are different.

Don't forget Young being better than Hazard.

And than Nani.

Seriously now abo, you don't have a clue.


How can an opposition player handballing in the area be assisted by one of ours??

It's handball because the opposition player moved their hand towards and purposely used it to control/block the ball.

If Hernandez kicked the ball at the opposition player's hand/arm looking to get a penalty, that's called ball to hand.

It's literally impossible in the rules of the game for a player to assist a goal by handball.

Same with the "rebound", how can it be an assist when the keeper made the save!!

No agency, Uefa or anyone else who actually knows the rules of the game and how assist are awarded, has given Hernandez assists for those.

That why I used the shots on target as the measure and not the overall shots, because shots on target are the better chances, would be goals if not for saves and therefore aren't clinical finishes.

If someone knows of an existing equation to find how clinical a player is then offer it up so we can use that. In the meantime rather than sitting and moaning that the results don't fit with my opinion and therefore must be rubbish, I'm actually trying to workout the answer. Do you realise how backward you sound?

I'd rather use the factual performance data to measure how clinical a players is, than just a bunch of people's subjective opinions.

Berba tends to miss sitters at times, but he knows how to use the inside and outside of the boot and his body positions are normally on the mark.

If Manchester United with the "So-Called" largest fan-base can't figure this out or at least get it to an acceptable point where the outcome represent the best current understanding, the World football is in trouble (a little). I think the best way using equation (Flash under reference) is to put in all the parameters that need to come into play and then dump it on the mathematicians and statistician. I'll start. I think it needs to be some kind of rate equation (differential or difference, I don't know) or % equation or a fractional equation

Clinicality (Rate) = Chance Conversion Rate + Non-Chance Conversion Rate + .... [Some other Variable Rates]

Please feel free to add and the parameters doesn't necessarily have to be quantifiable. I will keep editing or whomever is adding should keep editing until we have enough parameters (Some are already discussed by flash and others). I promise to dump it on one of the Statisticians or Mathematicians and be on their ass until they come up with something...

I know that people don't agree with me when I said that Berbatov is the most clinical finisher in Man U at the moment, fair enough let that rest.
I see a lot of arguing back and forth about if you can use stats to show anything in football. It is funny how some hardcore football fans cling on to this romantic vision that stats can not be trusted in football. Funny how football should be different from baskerball or hockey in that regards.
One football coach that took stats very seriously was Egil "Drillo" Olsen. Now let me make it very clear that I am not a fan of his style of play, but you can not deny that the results he got with Norway especially in the beginning was astonishing. In order for his style of football to work though all 11 players have to buy the system 100% and follow it to the point. What made Drillo different was that he sat down and calculated the stats for all sorts of situations and then based his style of play on that.
I am not saying that Drillo proved the you can always rely on just looking at the stats, but he clearly showed that you could learn much more from them, than most football fans, coaches and players wants to admit.