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Discussion in 'Transfer Talk' started by tonnas, Jun 13, 2010.
Silly me, everybody knows that agents never lie
Please tell me where the advantages are of an agent fabricating a story about Ozil turning us down and saying he's happy at Madrid? Not contract negotiations that's for sure.
Why wouldn't it be about contract negotiations according to you? There's talk about extending Chicharitos contract at the moment and he's only barely played one season for us as well, agents want to get as much money for their clients that's their main objective so I don't know how you can reject that theory. I believe we were after him before he moved to Madrid, but why now? he is obviously happy at the club, Madrid are obviously happy with him, asking about his situation at the club would have been a complete waste of time.
How is it a waste of time? We don't know what goes on behind the scenes and if Fergie was serious it's worth at least an enquiry.
It can't be about contract negotiations because the story wouldn't make sense then. If Ozil and his agent were trying to get more money or a lengthier contract, what advantage would it give them if a story came out that he was very happy at Madrid and didn't want to leave? If the story was he was flattered with our interest or something like he'd like to play in the PL one day, then it would make a lot more sense, but what his agent came out with wouldn't help at all during negotiations.
There was nothing going on behind the scenes or anything of that nature, if not like you sad yourself, why would Ozil's agent come out and claim that Ozil was fully committed to Real Madrid if he wasnt happy? Plus Fergie has been at the very least in recent years a cautious manager in the transfer market as far as negotiations, I mean didnt we refuse to bid for Villa because we felt he was pretty much a done deal to move to barcelona months before he actually signed?
It makes perfect sense, it alerts Madrid that there's alleged "serious" interest from us and it puts them on their toes in a way, nothing story at the end that was just made bigger by people that wanted to believe it.
No denial from Madrid, no denial from the player or anyone close to him, no denial from us. Well known admiration of the player from us. No reason to discount the story apart from people who refuse to accept a player can reject us.
I'm not ruling it out because I cant accept a player rejecting us, I'm ruling it out because he doesn't fit into our 2 man midfield simple as that. He could play behind the main striker but that would mean moving Rooney currently our best player and a player that in my opinion at least is better than Ozil out of his favored position. He doesn't have the stamina or defensive ability to play in our box to box styled midfield system. I can see how we might have had a look at him after the world cup when Chicharito was an unknown entity, Rooney had just recorded his highest goal-scoring tally ever playing as a lone striker, and Berbatov had suffered an extremely disappointing season, but now that everything has pretty much changed in the opposite direction I don't see how we would be willing to spend such a ridiculously high amount of money on somebody who didn't really fit in.
So how do you explain the interest in other midfielders we chased? Fergie wanted a creative midfielder and he obviously believes he can go into our system.
Yes, we were interested in midfielders that could actually play in a 2 man midfield, Sneijder had done it in the past for Madrid, and will do it this season for Inter, Nasri did the same for Arsenal and so did Modric for Spurs, quite simple really.
Weren't we interested in Sneijder too?
Ozil has played in a 2 man midfield before. Plus he can play on the wing and mainly as a CAM, but that versatility would only further convince SAF.
Nowhere near in a convincing manner though, I mean O'shea has played goalkeeper before, but that doesn't mean he was an option for us as a reliable backup goalkeeper. It only furthers my argument, we weren't going to spend 35 million plus on somebody who wouldn't have covered any of our holes, he wasn't a midfield option, neither was Sanchez because even though they are versatile they can't play in a two man midfield, simple as that.
Yeah only in a UEFA Cup final. Not convincing though.
Ozil could easily play the role that Cleverley has taken up. He's brilliant around the box, incredible passing range and brilliant in possession.
He would have been perfect after the world cup, but seeing how things panned out since then I dont believe we were after him this summer.
The Sun is claiming that Fergie has asked to be "kept informed" of Ozil's situation at Real Madrid after reports that he is unhappy with falling behing Luka Modric in the pecking order...
Mesut Ozil is back on Manchester United’s radar after reports the playmaker is considering his future at Real Madrid. The German international, 24, joined Real from Werder Bremen in a blaze of glory two years ago. But he is no longer a first choice under Jose Mourinho following the arrival of Luka Modric and sources insist he is growing increasingly unhappy. United chief Alex Ferguson has asked to be kept informed of any developments and would be at the front of the queue if Real decide to sell. Fergie is hunting a successor to 38-year-old Paul Scholes, who looks set to retire for the second time at the end of the season. If Real do choose to offload Ozil, the Spaniards would want double the £12million they paid Bremen. But United still have money to spend after missing out on Eden Hazard and Lucas Moura in the summer. Ozil earns £110,000 a week at the Bernabeu, which fits comfortably into the Old Trafford pay structure, as does his age in terms of sell-on value.
A nothing story. No chance we sign him.
its hard to fit kagawa already in the formation then what will we do with ozil unless he is played as a cm..
play him on the right with Kagawa on the left and Rooney in the center and have them all interchanging. But no chance of us signing him anyway, even though it would be wet dream material.
why do you think that?
Just can't see him leaving Madrid and if he does I could see him going back to Germany.