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Rafael da Silva People Underrating Rafael?

Discussion in 'Man Utd Chat' started by Owenzy, Mar 23, 2012.

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    Nachito Coronel The Mexican Boy George

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    Bullshit. If he didn't rate him he wouldn't have given him the run of games he did during his first season with us at such a young age, the only thing that has held Rafael back has been injuries, and the fact that Smalling and Jones have been so consistent at RB during his absences, he has the potential to be the best right back in the world anybody can see that, he might need to be a bit smarter as far as his aggresiveness goes, but like Owenzy said I can't think of a better Rb prospect in the world atm.
    Nachito Coronel, Mar 23, 2012
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    Nachito Coronel The Mexican Boy George

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    So Rafael is Underrated because he is not light skinned and not English yet Anderson doesn't? I'm sorry but your post makes absolutely no sense and should be deleted asap for humanities sake.
    Nachito Coronel, Mar 23, 2012
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    Why does it have to be Jones vs. Rafael? I think Rafael is better than Jones at RB but I also don't believe he's particularly great there himself.

    When he came onto the scene in 2008, with an ageing Neville, O'Shea and Brown as his competition, I expected him to be the first choice right-back within a few years but he still isn't. In fact he hasn't really improved much. He still rarely completes 90 minutes, his crossing is inconsistent and he seems to be very rash, always rushing his passes and giving away fouls.
    Because I'm DC, Mar 23, 2012
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    SimplyGiggs The voice of reason

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    Agreed. Rafael shouldn't be compared to Jones, it would be wrong if he wasn't outplaying somebody who's being put out of position. I don't think Rafael is trusted much by Fergie, he's inconsistent, unreliable and can go from a MOTM performance one game to being a liability the next. I still worry about his lapses in concentration. He should really have developed more by now. I do think he has an advantage that SAF doesn't plan on Smalling or Jones being a full time RB.
    SimplyGiggs, Mar 23, 2012
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    abojodeh #cutforflash

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    Erm learn to read. There was a dot between the two points.
    abojodeh, Mar 23, 2012
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    The only problem with the twins is their injury record and their temper (especially Rafael). Other than that they're both quality prospects.

    Fabio will always struggle to get games while Evra is here because he's hardly ever injured or dropped, Rafa has struggled this season because of his own injury problems.

    Next season may be different.
    Flash, Mar 23, 2012
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    It's SAF's fault he hasn't played as much. There's been plenty of times when he's been fit but O'Shea played ahead of him. Rafael does have injury problems, but he's not that much of a cripple (i.e Owen). He's had two long term injuries with his shoulder which kept him out for around 4 months combined but they aren't "injury prone' type injuries. They're freaks - possibly to do with physical growth (look at how much bigger he is now than he was a few years back).

    He's improved a lot. He's a lot less rash, positionally he's much better, he's more disciplined, he's bulked up a lot - offensively and technically he's always been very good. It's no suprise that his best run of form has come when he's had a run of games. You've seen the same thing happen with Evans this season and Smalling last. Rafael has never really been the type to play 1 game here and there and be great. Fabio is exactly the same - he looked much better against Barcelona than he did at home to Rangers because he had a run in the side.

    All the skills are there for Rafael. He's also very smart - I remember two games in particular where he got raped for the first 20 minutes and then turned it around and was great for the next 70 (Celtic and Milan away).

    He doesn't rush his passes at all - he's great with possession, especially in tight spaces. Bilbao and Barcelona have both shown us how important/useful that can be. The English are behind the rest of Europe in that regard - any danger and we want the defenders to "get rid of it". In Europe they're good enough to play themselves out of trouble. Obviously guys like Luiz do it too much and end up being a liability.

    Rafael played around 6 or 7 games on the spin this season and was great in each. He wasn't up against mugs either - Liverpool home and away, Arsenal away, Chelsea away ect. He's a big game player.

    Unfortunately there will be "Rafael vs Jones" debates aswell. It's nothing against Jones, but he's the one who's ahead of Rafael right now. It's no different to Welbeck vs Hernandez, Young vs Nani, Evans vs Smalling ect.
    TheManc, Mar 23, 2012
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    Perhaps rushing his passes was the wrong way to put it. Quite often, when the winger infront of him moves inside, he passes the ball to him, then rushes down the wing to collect the one-two, leaving the winger isolated and with his back to goal. This breaks down our attacks quite often.

    With regards to Fergie being at blame for his lack of playing time, I take the point, but I would also say that I understand why Fergie doesn't start him often, due to his inability to last 90 minutes.
    Because I'm DC, Mar 23, 2012
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    Who actually disagrees with this thread?
    rishard, Mar 23, 2012
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    Fergie, unfortunately.
    TheManc, Mar 23, 2012
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    peterswellman All Round Nice Guy

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    Do you bring Jones into every Rafael discussion?
    peterswellman, Mar 23, 2012
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    Rafael is our best RB now and for the future but he has been a little disappointing lately. This is his chance to make the RB spot his own, although I can see Fergie playing Jones over him in the run in which will be annoying.
    RedDevil99, Mar 23, 2012
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    Nachito Coronel The Mexican Boy George

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    You still contradicted your first point about him being underrated because of his skin color when you compared him to Anderson who btw is darker, that was my point.
    Nachito Coronel, Mar 23, 2012
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    A. Be a noble white English man.
    B. Have a big transfer free.

    You can be A, B, both or neither. Anderson is is case B but not A, Jones is case A+B+Bonus(OMGZZ THA SECOND CAMING OF DUNCAN EDWARDS!!!!!!"!"!!!11!!!!!!!1!!!!). Rafael is neither A or B.
    abojodeh, Mar 23, 2012
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    peterswellman All Round Nice Guy

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    Point is a pile of bollox considering the hype about Pogba.
    peterswellman, Mar 23, 2012
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    If Pogba was English and cost £15m his hype would have at least been ten times more, especially by the media.
    abojodeh, Mar 23, 2012
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    Yet, there is still tons of hype and a kid who has hardly played first team football is plastered all over the papers. Your point is bollox looking into some kind of racial motive.
    peterswellman, Mar 23, 2012
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    seems Fergie is not too sure with the lad, if rumours are to be right then a new RB is needed? I dont think we need one. We have the twins. Smalling/Jones.

    But first choice should be a Rafael but needs to cut out the clumsy tackles and those red blooded ones.
    j4v3d, Mar 23, 2012
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    I completely agree with what most are saying, in the Barca thread (in transfer talk) I mentioned that I think he gets a lot of unneccessary flak.

    He's got a lot of potential, but has already shown his quality for us on different occasions and in big games. He's not perfect, he has flaws but many of them are flaws that you see in most young players which is nothing to worry about. With experience and games, he'll iron these out - he's come a long way already.

    I think that, like TM says, he does need a run of games to find form. He's a player who does take a little bit of time to get up to his best, and there have been times when he doesn't get that as Fergie has preferred others over him. However, I think he's our best RB and should play regularly.

    A slight worry is his injury-record, but he's still young so hopefully this is also a problem that will disappear gradually as he gets older and stronger.
    Jay007, Mar 23, 2012
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    I criticised Rafael's recent form, but his potential is obvious and anyone who wants him out needs a serious rethink.
    djpailo, Mar 24, 2012
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