United's 25 Man Squad For The 2012-2013 Season

We need to name a 25 man squad, plus an unlimited number of U21 year old players (born on or after 1st July 1991). At least 8 of these 25 have to be "home grown", which means trained at English / Welsh clubs for 3 years between the ages of 16 and 21.

UPDATED: 26th February 2013

'Home Grown' = *
U21s (with some overage players permitted) = R
Academy = AC2 (2nd year U18) AC1 (1st year U18)

Players are listed in their order of age, or in the case of the young players, in alphabetical order in a given birth year if their actual DOB is unknown.

First Team Squad:

1) 29 November 1973 - #11 RYAN GIGGS (MF/LW) *
2) 16 November 1974 - #22 PAUL SCHOLES (MF) *
3) 7 November 1978 - #5 RIO FERDINAND (CB) *
4) 15 May 1981 - #3 PATRICE EVRA (LB)
5) 28 July 1981 - #16 MICHAEL CARRICK (MF/CB) *
6) 21 October 1981 - #15 NEMANJA VIDIC (CB)
7) 6 August 1983 - #20 ROBIN VAN PERSIE (ST)
8) 1 February 1984 - #24 DARREN FLETCHER (MF) *
9) 13 April 1984 - #13 ANDERS LINDEGAARD (GK)
10) 9 July 1985 - #18 ASHLEY YOUNG (LW/ST) *
11) 4 August 1985 - #7 ANTONIO VALENCIA (RW/RB)
12) 24 October 1985 - #10 WAYNE ROONEY (ST) *
13) 17 November 1986 - #17 LUIS NANI (RW/LW)
14) 2 January 1988 - #6 JONNY EVANS (CB/LB) *
15) 13 April 1988 - #8 OLIVEIRA ANDERSON (MF)
16) 1 June 1988 - #14 JAVIER 'CHICHARITO' HERNANDEZ (ST)
17) 11 February 1989 - #28 ALEXANDER BÜTTNER (LB)
18) 17 March 1989 - #26 SHINJI KAGAWA (MF/ST)
19) 12 August 1989 - #23 TOM CLEVERLEY (MF/LW) *
20) 22 November 1989 - #12 CHRIS SMALLING (CB/RB) *
21) 10 April 1990 - #40 BEN AMOS (GK) *
--) 9 July 1990 - FABIO DA SILVA (LB/RB) * (QPR)
22) 9 July 1990 - #2 RAFAEL DA SILVA (RB/MF) *
--) 12 July 1990 - #33 BÉBÉ (Tiago Manuel Dias Correia) (RW/ST) (Rio Ave)
23) 7 November 1990 - #1 DAVID DE GEA (GK)
24) 26 November 1990 - #19 DANNY WELBECK (ST/LW) *

Under 21 players (as of 1st January, 2012)

27) 22 August 1991 - #27 FEDERICO MACHEDA (ST) (Stuttgart)
28) 12 September 1991 - #31 SCOTT WOOTTON (CB/RB) (Peterborough)
29) 5 October 1991 - #45 DAVIDE PETRUCCI (MF/LW) (Peterborough)
30) 1 November 1991 - REECE BROWN (MF/CB/RB) (Ipswich)
31) 13 January 1992 - #36 MARNICK VERMIJL (RB/LB) R
32) 21 February 1992 - #4 PHIL JONES (RB/CB/MF)
33) 10 November 1992 - WILFRIED ZAHA (Wing/ST) (Crystal Palace)
34) 20 November 1992 - #49 FREDERIC VESELI (RB/CB) R
35) 15 December 1992 - #35 JESSE LINGARD (LW/MF/ST) R
36) 23 December 1992 - JEFF SCHLUPP (LW/ST) R (On loan from Leicester)
37) 30 December 1992 - #46 RYAN TUNNICLIFFE (MF/RB) (Barnsley)
38) 11 January 1993 - #38 MICHAEL KEANE (CB/RB) (Leicester City)
39) 11 January 1993 - #48 WILL KEANE (ST) R
40) 13 January 1993 - #39 TOM THORPE (CB/RB/MF) R
41) 21 January 1993 - JOHN COFIE (ST) (Notts County)
42) 4 February 1993 - LUKE GIVERIN (LB/MF) (Antwerp)
43) 9 March 1993 - #34 LARNELL COLE (RW/MF) R
44) 25 March 1993 - #50 SAM JOHNSTONE (GK) R
45) 5 August 1993 - GLADSTONY (Estevan Paulino Da Silva) (MF) (status?)
46) 11 August 1993 - SEAN McGINTY (CB/LB) R
47) 22 August 1993 - MICHELE FORNASIER (CB/RB) R
48) 7 November 1993 - REECE JAMES (LB) R
49) 13 January 1994 - TOM LAWRENCE (ST) R
50) 15 February 1994 - LUKE McCULLOUGH (CB) (Cheltenham)
51) 16 February 1994 - CHARNI EKANGAMENE (MF/LB/CB) R
52) 11 March 1994 - AGNALDO (MF) (status?)
53) 23 March 1994 - #25 NICK POWELL (MF/ST) R
54) 2 April 1994 - #42 TYLER BLACKETT (LB/CB) R
55) 13 April 1994 - #21 ANGELO HENRIQUEZ (ST) (Wigan)
56) 14 April 1994 - GYLIANO VAN VELZEN (LW/ST) R
57) 27 August 1994 - LUKE HENDRIE (MF/RB) R

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Academy U18s:

58) 3 September 1994 - JONNY SUTHERLAND (GK) AC2 R
59) 29 September 1994 - KENJI GORRE (RW/ST) AC2
60) 14 November 1994 - JACK BARMBY (LW/ST) AC2 R
61) 15 November 1994 - JACK RUDGE (MF) AC2
62) 2 December 1994 - DONALD LOVE (RB/LB) AC2
63) 4 January 1995 - BEN PEARSON (MF/ST) AC2
64) 7 January 1995 - DECLAN DALLEY (CB) AC2
65) 11 January 1995 - JOE ROTHWELL (MF) AC2
66) 13 January 1995 - MATT WILKINSON (CB/RB) AC2
67) 2 February 1995 - LIAM GRIMSHAW (RB/CB) AC2
68) 5 February 1995 - ADNAN JANUZAJ (MF/Wing) AC2 R
69) 6 February 1995 - LUCAS EVANGELISTA (MF) (unable to play until he turns 18)
70) 2 March 1995 - MATS MØLLER DÆHLI (MF/Wing) AC2 R
71) 18 March 1995 - PIERLUIGI GOLLINI (GK) AC2 R
72) 21 April 1995 - LOUIS ROWLEY (LB/LW) AC2
73) 27 April 1995 - PADDY McNAIR (MF/CB) AC2
74) 23 July 1995 - SAM BYRNE (ST) AC2
75) 4 August 1995 - JAMES WEIR (MF/RB) AC2
76) 8 September 1995 - BEN BARBER (LB/CB/MF) AC1
77) 2 October 1995 - ASH FLETCHER (ST) AC1
78) 3 October 1995 - RYAN McCONNELL (RB/CB) AC1
79) 11 October 1995 - CALLUM EVANS (MF/RB) AC1
80) 10 November 1995 - NICOLAS IOANNOU (CB/LB) AC1
81) 1 December 1995 - JAMES WILSON (ST/LW) AC1
82) 15 December 1995 - JOSH HARROP (MF/RB) AC1
83) 1 January 1996 - ANDREAS PEREIRA (MF) AC1
84) 22 April 1996 - KIERAN O'HARA (GK) AC1
85) 28 June 1996 - JOEL CASTRO PEREIRA (GK) AC1
86) 20 August 1996 - MATTHEW WILLOCK (Wing) AC1
87) 1 October 1996 - SEAN GOSS (MF) AC1

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U16s and under:

88) 1996 - DEVONTE REDMOND (ST/Wing/MF)
89) 1996 - EDWARD COLE-FULWOOD (CB)
90) 1996 - JOE RILEY (MF/RW/RB)
91) 8 December 1996 - SCOTT McTOMINAY (MF)
92) 20 December 1996 - RUAIRI CROSKERY (FW)
93) 8 January 1997 - BRADLEY CARROLL (DF)
94) 11 January 1997 - DEMETRE MITCHELL (LW/ST)
95) 2 February 1997 - CAMERON BORTHWICK-JACKSON (CB)
96) 12 March 1997 - DEAN HENDERSON (GK)
97) 30 April 1997 - ELLIOT WATSON (RB)
98) 1997 - KIERAN HARRISON (GK)
99) 1997 - CALLAN BARROW (GK)
100) 1997 - JACK BURGOYNE (CB)
101) 1997 - RHAIN DAVIS
102) 1997 - REMELL FITTON
103) 1997 - JOE GREGORY
104) 1997 - SAM HEATHCOTE
105) 1997 - TOSIN KEHINE
106) 1997 - JAKE KENYON
107) 1997 - THOMAS LEONARD
108) 1997 - JAPHET MATA (DF/FW)
109) 1997 - DION McGHEE (Wing)
110) 1997 - JOE MOULDEN
111) 1997 - CALLUM NICHOLAS
112) 1997 - CONNOR O'GRADY
113) 1997 - NATHAN PALMER
114) 1997 - OLLIE RATHBONE (MF)
115) 1997 - BUCKLEY ROBSON
116) 1997 - JOSHUA SIGNEY
117) 1997 - JORDAN THOMPSON
118) 1997 - KEES VAN DIJK
119) 1997 - TYRELL WARREN
120) 1997 - CALLUM WHELAN
121) 1997 - MACAULAY WILSON (CB/RB)
122) 1997 - LAURENCE WYKE
123) 1997 – GEORGE DORRINGTON (GK)
124) 1 August 1997 - BEN GREENOP (ST)
125) 2 September 1997 - CHARLIE SCOTT (CB/MF)
126) 31 October 1997 - MARCUS RASHFORD
127) 14 November 1997 - AXEL TUANZEBE (CB)
128) 21 November 1997 - BRUNO DE BRITO
129) 31 December 1997 - OLIVER BYRNE (GK)
130) 19th January 1998 - ADAM SAVILL (DF)
131) 4 March 1998 - TRAVIS JOHNSON
132) 8 March 1998 - SAM SMITH (DF)
133) 1998 - CALLUM GRIBBIN (FW)
134) 1998 - JOE VAN DER SAR (GK)
135) 3 September 1998 - RO-SHAUN WILLIAMS (DF)
136) 28th September 1998 - ZACHARY DEARNLEY
137) 1 June 1999 - FAUSTINO MAKELA (MF)

3 or more of the 'fringe' lot to leave in the summer, hopefully, need to get some of these kids cracking before they are "senior" squad members...

Gibbo, Hargo, Scholes and VDS seem to be off in the summer...

I agree and I have a sneaky suspicion de Laet will leave (with some sort of buy back option) for 7m.

£7m for De Laet?

Funniest joke i've heard in a long time, we'll be lucky to get £1m for him...

I'm wondering which of this season's loanees will be at Old Trafford next season?

Tom Cleverley has to be, but then I'm wondering about Ritchie De Laet and Mame Biram Diouf? They're the important decisions because age-wise they need to be declared for the 25 man squad.

As for the others like Federico Macheda and Danny Welbeck, they're still young, and them being away on loan or at OT doesn't affect personnel decisions. In other words, keeping them at United doesn't mean they take up somebody else's place. However, in playing terms, how many of the youngsters can Fergie accomodate?

Cleverley will, De Laet possibly. How long can Brown & O'Shea be around for? We need some solid squad players and I've seen nothing of De Laet that tells me we need to get rid.

Diouf will almost certainly be gone, wouldn't mind using him as a makeweight. Macheda has to go on loan again, hopefully to a Championship side or a lower Premier Division side.

Welbeck, it's too tough to call, at times there have been hints we may sell him, others hints we will keep him, it's down to how strongly Fergie rates his chances of making it here.

De Laet looked awful in the Championship thus far

Question marks are over Owen, Obertan, Diouf, Cleverley and Delaet.

I think Owen will get released. Obertan will get a loan, Diouf and Delaet be sold and Cleverley im undecided on as yet. In addition Scholes may not continue but thats his call and kuzzy will get replaced if he chooses to leave.

So taking everything what i think we should have around 2/3 free open spaces for future over 21 year old players. If we sign Rodwell he wouldnt need to be in the 25.

Other people voice their opinions which differ to yours:

Portsmouth - I certainly know you are flying Ritchie!

Viewing a thread - Ritchie de laet

I don't understand criticism of De Laet. Ok he's not the finished article, but he's looked quite good from what I've seen. He's a decent, versatile defender who has a bit of height and power about him.
Playing the twins on the wing, could open a place for him to get games in the first team. I'd definitely give him a few more seasons, he could be our next O'Shea, only better.
He looks promising anyway

Really interesting analysis Moon.

Also for next year I think Bebe will be an U/21 for the Prem squad but not for CL as he will not have been at the club for 2 or more years, he will have only been there one year, so I think there is a chance he will either go out on loan or just not included in the CL squad.

For next year Obertan, Cleverley and Smalling become overage, but also Macheda and Welbeck will come back from loan as U/21 which is good.

You are right about the 9 guys born in 1990...really only Rafael and Fabio would be assured of staying, and with Amos in that list good young keepers suddenly become important to find...I think Sir Alex will only want 2 overage keepers, meaning there is a good chance that both van der Saar and Kuszczak will leave, with Lindegaard No 2 keeper, and the No 1 keeper to be bought this summer, and the third keeper will be Amos for 2011/2012, but the year after Amos is overage, so another great U/21 keeper will need to be found.

If United lose van der Saar, Kuszczak, Hargreaves and Owen for next year, then they are down to 24 overage players allowing them to buy a replacement no 1 goalkeeper to replace van der Saar which takes them to 25...then for every other overage player they buy, one overage player will have to be sold (or go out on loan for the season if that doesnt count in the overall overage 25 man list)...so I think a few of these overage players will have to go to make room for new signings: Brown, Gibson, De Laet, Diouf, Obertan, Cleverley, Evans, also with the nine new overage players still to come the season after...this 25 man squad rule I think will make the Championship and lower leagues stronger as Prem teams will have to keep selling players every year who arent good enough to make the 25 man squad once they reach 21.

For 2011/2012 there will be 9 U/21s becoming overage, and the seasons after that (based on the current players) its 8, then 6, then 12, then 9...so it didnt really affect United much for the 2010/2011 season, the first season the rule was in place, but in coming seasons there are going to be alot of unhappy 21 year olds cut.

Currently in the 2010/2011 squad, there are only 23 overage Prem players...but there is also De Laet and Diouf out on loan for the rest of the season, which makes 25...now with overage players out on loan for the season, do they count in the 25 overage players list? Meaning if say United have 30 overage players total next year, could they have 5 of them out on loan for the season, keeping 25 overage players eligible at the club, or does the total of overage players have to be a max of 25 INCLUDING the overage players out on loan?

Phew, treble1999! I think I followed that!

Get rid of Mame Diouf, he's not worthy of being in the 25 man squad.

BUMP - I've added some of the youngsters getting in to the Academy U18 squad rotation at the end of the list of players in the OP.

Still wondering how many of the First Team will leave in the summer, and can't decide if we will have more changes if we win silverware, or if we don't win any!!

Since when is Corry Evans leaving? I thought he looked promising in pre-season.

BBC Sport - Manchester United's Corry Evans to complete Hull move

http://www.u.tv/Sport/Evans-makes-Hull-move-permanent/e74206c3-62b2-4b89-b6a2-ec77489e6059

Seems like the deal was done a few days ago, and becomes official when his loan ends next month. He ain't coming back.

BUMP

Joe Dudgeon left for Hull City the other day, but he was under 21 so doesn't affect the make-up of the 25 man squad.

Looking at the first 27 names in the OP, I think the highest number of departures in the summer could be 6. But I can also see two or three players staying with United, and going away on loan next year with a view to being included the following season.

That means Fergie has great scope to bring in new players this summer, regardless of whether they're over 21 or not "home grown". Could we really see United competing with City and Chelsea to tempt the biggest names? If winning the Premier League and getting to the Champions League isn't enough to bring in big names then I don't know what ...... oh wait, bloody huge wages.

As soon as the transfer window opens, spot who moves for money, and who has integrity to play for the biggest club in Britain.

1) 29 November 1973 - Ryan Giggs (Wing/MF) (home grown)
2) 16 November 1974 - Paul Scholes (MF) (home grown)
3) 7 November 1978 - Rio Ferdinand (CB) (home grown)
4) 13 October 1979 - Wes Brown (RB/CB) (home grown)
5) 14 December 1979 - Michael Owen (ST) (home grown)
6) 20 January 1981 - Owen Hargreaves (MF)
7) 30 January 1981 - Dimitar Berbatov (ST)
8) 25 February 1981 - Ji-Sung Park (Wing/MF)
9) 30 April 1981 - John O'Shea (DF/MF) (home grown)
10) 15 May 1981 - Patrice Evra (LB)
11) 28 July 1981 - Michael Carrick (MF) (home grown)
12) 21 October 1981 - Nemanja Vidic (c) (CB)
13) 20 March 1982 - Tomasz Kuszczak (GK)
14) 1 February 1984 - Darren Fletcher (MF) (home grown)
15) 13 April 1984 - Anders Lindegaard (GK)
16) 4 August 1985 - Antonio Valencia (Wing)
17) 24 October 1985 - Wayne Rooney (ST) (home grown)
18) 17 November 1986 - Luis Nani (Wing)
19) 25 October 1987 - Darron Gibson (MF) (home grown)
20) 16 December 1987 - Mame Biram Diouf (ST)
21) 2 January 1988 - Jonny Evans (CB) (home grown)
22) 13 April 1988 - Oliveira Anderson (MF)
23) 1 June 1988 - Javier "Chicharito" Hernandez (ST)
24) 28 November 1988 - Ritchie De Laet (CB/FB)
25) 26 February 1989 - Gabriel Obertan (Wing)
26) 12 August 1989 - Tom Cleverley (MF/Wing) (home grown)
27) 22 November 1989 - Chris Smalling (CB) (home grown)

I've highlighted the players I feel are in danger of going. SAF likes Gibson and Obertan would probably get a loan spell to build his confidence. He is on fire in the reserves.

What worries me for two seasons' time is Welbeck and the Da silva twins will be over 21.

"What worries me for two seasons' time is Welbeck and the Da silva twins will be over 21. "

Whats the harm in that ... they are kind of replacements for Owen, Gary Neville and may be Wes Brown (if he is sold this summer)