1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.
  2. Welcome to manutdtalk.com

    Register now for free and join in with fellow United fans. Registered members enjoy extra benefits such as the ability to join our Prediction Game, No Ads for better experience plus much more

Winners medals for club competitions

Discussion in 'Man Utd Chat' started by treble1999, Apr 12, 2011.

  1. treble1999

    treble1999 Regular Members

    Messages:
    1,499
    Likes Received:
    116
    Trophy Points:
    65
    The following is the amount of winners medals given for all the various club competitions...

    FIFA Club World Cup:
    total between 23 and 45 -
    23 to players in the 23 man tournament squad, and up to but no more than 22 tournament club officials(same amount of runners up medals and third place medals also given to players and officials from losing finalists and 3rd place teams)

    UEFA Champions League, UEFA Europa League, UEFA European Super Cup:
    total 30 -
    players and club officials combined(same amount of runners up medals also given to runners up)

    FA Cup:
    total 30 -
    players and club officials combined(same amount of runners up medals also given to runners up)

    FA Community Shield:
    total: 25 -
    players and club officials combined(same amount of runners up medals also given to runners up)

    Football League Cup:
    total:21 or higher -
    16 to players(plus more if requested by the club and it is approved by tournament committee - extra medals have to be paid for by the club) and 5 to the following club officials...manager, secretary, physio, and 2 other members of staff(same amount of runners up medals also given to runners up)

    Premier League:
    total 21 or higher -
    players and club officials combined(only given to players with at least 10 appearances, both as starter or substitute combined)...special dispensation can be given for players who have less than 10 appearances such as a reserve goalkeeper or an injured player who was injured for a long period of the season

    It appears in the UEFA comps, and FA Cup and FA Community Shield clubs can decide for themselves how to split the total medals between players and staff, but for FIFA CWC and League Cup there are a specific amount set aside for club officials/staff...for the league I'm thinking if a team has less than 21 players who qualify for a medal having played less than 10 games, then the remainder of medals will all be given to members of staff at the club...so if 18 players qualify for a medal then the other 3 will be to manager, secretary and assistant manager as a potential example of how a club could distribute their medals.

    If I have made a mistake on any of these rules for medals let me know.

    If United win the CL it will be interesting to see exactly which players get medals, and if Hargreaves is allowed to get one, despite not being in either the group stage squad or the knockout stage squad...also Neville, despite being retired is still registered in the 2 English comps United are still trying to win, and was in the group stage squad of Champions League, so I wonder if he will get a CL medal...United have used 28 players in the CL as a starter or sub this season and with 30 medals they can choose how many club officials are deserving of one and then choose which players should be given one.

    For FA Cup United have used 26 players...again 30 medals for staff and players total so I wonder again if the likes of Hargreaves and Neville would get one and how many to staff.

    For Uniteds Community Shield win does anyone know the 25 players/staff who got medals? Do they officially announce it?

    You would think Fergie would get one medal no matter the comp, and then most of the other staff may miss out(apart from League Cup which has 5 for staff...and CWC which has up to 22 for staff)...but for Community Shield, FA Cup, CL and Premier League it seems like there are only enough medals for players and just the one staff medal for the manager.

    Is it the manager only, or the club board who decide who should or should not get a medal?

    Premier League current status of eligibilty for Man Utd players getting a Premier League winners medal(should United win the league)...

    There are 21 medals...if Sir Alex gets one then there are medals left for up to 20 players playing 10 or more games...plus special dispensation cases for players under 10 appearances

    United have used 29 players in the league not including unused sub appearances, just players who have got on the pitch in the league at least once...

    Currently 18 United players have 10 or more league appearances(starter/used sub combined) which qualifies them for a medal:

    van der Saar, Evra, Ferdinand, Anderson, Berbatov, Rooney, Giggs, Smalling, Park, Hernandez, Vidic, Carrick, Nani, Scholes, Rafael, O'Shea, Fletcher, Gibson.

    11 other players have been used(starter/used sub) and are under the 10 appearances needed with 6 games to go:

    Neville(3 appearances)(retired but still registered for the remainder of the season)
    Macheda(7 apps)(away on loan for rest of season)
    Hargreaves(1 app)
    Kuszczak(4 apps)
    Bebe(2 apps)
    Obertan(7 apps)
    Owen(7 apps)
    Brown(7 apps)
    Fabio(7 apps)
    J.Evans(8 apps)
    Valencia(5 apps)

    Also backup keepers Lindegaard and Amos have zero appearances in the league in terms of actually getting on the pitch...and only really Valencia appears to have a high chance of getting to 10, but he may be in line for a 'bonus medal' not part of the 21 medal total that is given to players who have been injured for a major part of the season...others who may be in line for a medal under that rule include Hargreaves and possibly even Owen...not sure how many of those they can grant, but also Neville as club captain before he retired, and Kuszczak as main backup keeper could be in line to receive one(Kuszczk has received two medals under this rule in the past apparantly so is likely to get one again).

    If Fergie gets one of the 21 medals for himself, add the 18 players who already qualify for one makes 19...so a potential 2 others, not counting the ones for special dispensation.

    Owen(7)(if doesnt get one for being injured for alot of season), Evans(8), Brown(7), Fabio(7) are the ones trying to get one of those last 2 potential medals. but at least one of those, and possibly all 4 could miss out on a medal, along with Obertan(7) who is unlikely to get the chance unless United win the league early allowing Sir Alex to field the backup players...Bebe(2), Gill(zero) and the players out on loan like Macheda(7), Diouf. Welbeck and De Laet will all miss out along with Lindegaard and Amos and the other U/21s.

    In the Premeir League years, players from 31 countries have won a Premier League winners medal...England have 59 different players, next is France on 20...the next nationality is Netherlands with 9, with the other nations in single figures...surprisingly no Italian player has ever won one making Itay the only major football nation still to have a player with a PL winners medal...Macheda would have been the first when he helped United win the league in 2008/2009 but he was one appearance short of the 10 needed...should United win the league he will again miss out this season with 7 appearances before being loaned out for the rest of the season..

    For me the 10 match rule is not fair, and other than a player who plays no matches for parent club and is loaned out for entire season, the club should be given a medal for all the players to have featured in their 25 man overage Prem squad for first half and second half of season wether they play a match or not(due to injury), and medals should also be given for any U/21 player who gets onto the pitch just once even as a sub. I think if a player contributes on the pitch in a match even just once then they should be entitled to a medal. Like the League Cup where additional medals are allowed at the request of the club and are paid for by the club, that should be allowed in the league as well.
  2. SimplyGiggs

    SimplyGiggs Juventus fan

    Messages:
    19,665
    Likes Received:
    5,263
    Trophy Points:
    266
    Valencia will get to the 10, maybe Fabio aswell.
  3. abojodeh

    abojodeh Proto-Hipster

    Messages:
    49,439
    Likes Received:
    4,107
    Trophy Points:
    716
    I hope Owen get to then 10, would be fantastic to have a Premier league medal with us.
  4. Flash

    Flash Saviour of the Forum

    Messages:
    15,261
    Likes Received:
    2,322
    Trophy Points:
    266
    Only 21 Premier league medals?

    Don't we get to register 25 players (over 21 years old) for a start?

    Owen(7 apps)
    Brown(7 apps)
    Fabio(7 apps)
    J.Evans(8 apps)
    Valencia(5 apps)

    Will all end up getting medals
  5. j4v3d

    j4v3d M U F C

    Messages:
    7,784
    Likes Received:
    651
    Trophy Points:
    166
    hope so
  6. SimplyGiggs

    SimplyGiggs Juventus fan

    Messages:
    19,665
    Likes Received:
    5,263
    Trophy Points:
    266
    Brown and Owen may play the last game or two if we have the title wrapped up. Don't think they'll get to 10. I hope Owen does though especially.
  7. j4v3d

    j4v3d M U F C

    Messages:
    7,784
    Likes Received:
    651
    Trophy Points:
    166
    he's fit and raring to go, so fergie should use him.
  8. Flash

    Flash Saviour of the Forum

    Messages:
    15,261
    Likes Received:
    2,322
    Trophy Points:
    266
    It's only appearances so that includes subs too I reckon.
  9. treble1999

    treble1999 Regular Members

    Messages:
    1,499
    Likes Received:
    116
    Trophy Points:
    65
    the thing is apparantly with only 21 medals for players and staff combined plus those received under the special rule for long term injured and for the main backup goalkeeper, even if a player gets to 10 appearances it doesnt necessarily mean he will get a medal

    18 united players already have 10 or more appearances, with more than 11 players under 10 appearances - even with extra medals which may or may not be awarded to maybe the likes of Kuszczak, Valencia and Owen, there will still be players who will miss out

    The other comps give out more medals but the league is the most major part of the season so I dont know why there is a need to have a 10 match and 21 medal rule which basically will almost always exclude some players from getting a Premier League winners medal
  10. Flash

    Flash Saviour of the Forum

    Messages:
    15,261
    Likes Received:
    2,322
    Trophy Points:
    266
    Where are you getting this "only 21 medals available" from please.

    I've never heard that before and it seems odd that they would allow a team to register 25 players but only allow 21 of them to have medals.
  11. treble1999

    treble1999 Regular Members

    Messages:
    1,499
    Likes Received:
    116
    Trophy Points:
    65
    Page 82...Rules...Section B - The League - The League Championship -

    27. The League Champions shall further receive 21 commemorative medals to be presented by
    the Club to its Manager and to such of its Players and Officials as it thinks fit provided, in the
    case of a Player, that he has that Season played in a minimum of 10 of its League Matches.
    Additional medals may be presented with the consent of the Board."

    http://www.premierleague.com/staticFiles/7a/20/0,,12306~139386,00.pdf
  12. Spoonman

    Spoonman In Jones we trust

    Messages:
    9,026
    Likes Received:
    5,412
    Trophy Points:
    165
    At the moment he'll be lucky to make it to eight.
  13. Flash

    Flash Saviour of the Forum

    Messages:
    15,261
    Likes Received:
    2,322
    Trophy Points:
    266
    Thanks for that, odd rule.

    I still reckon

    Owen(7 apps)
    Brown(7 apps)
    Fabio(7 apps)
    J.Evans(8 apps)
    Valencia(5 apps)

    Will all end up getting medals though because of the last line.
  14. treble1999

    treble1999 Regular Members

    Messages:
    1,499
    Likes Received:
    116
    Trophy Points:
    65
    but they dont just give out loads of extra medals, based on whats happened in the past it may only be 1 or 2 extra - its not given very easily, but it will be interesting to see how many extra medals are applied for and actually given and for which players.
  15. treble1999

    treble1999 Regular Members

    Messages:
    1,499
    Likes Received:
    116
    Trophy Points:
    65
    updated United player league appearances after Everton game with 4 league games to go...

    Currently 18 United players have 10 or more league appearances(starter/used sub combined) which qualifies them for a medal should United win the league:

    van der Saar, Evra, Ferdinand, Anderson, Berbatov, Rooney, Giggs, Smalling, Park, Hernandez, Vidic, Carrick, Nani, Scholes, Rafael, O'Shea, Fletcher, Gibson.

    11 other players have been used(starter/used sub) and are under the 10 appearances needed with 4 games to go:

    Neville(3 appearances)(retired but still registered for the remainder of the season)
    Macheda(7 apps)(away on loan for rest of season)
    Hargreaves(1 app)
    Kuszczak(4 apps)
    Bebe(2 apps)
    Obertan(7 apps)
    Owen(9 apps)
    Brown(7 apps)
    Fabio(8 apps)
    J.Evans(9 apps)
    Valencia(7 apps)

    It is likely the 21 medals will be one for Sir Alex and 20 for players, plus maybe one or two or three special dispensation medals for Kuszczak as backup keeper and another one(maybe two)for long term injured player/players
  16. Flash

    Flash Saviour of the Forum

    Messages:
    15,261
    Likes Received:
    2,322
    Trophy Points:
    266
    I can now see Brown missing out

    Owen(9 apps)
    Fabio(8 apps)
    J.Evans(9 apps)
    Valencia(7 apps)

    Will get medals
  17. treble1999

    treble1999 Regular Members

    Messages:
    1,499
    Likes Received:
    116
    Trophy Points:
    65
    harsh to have to choose who misses out isn't it? i wonder if its solely the decision of Fergie as to who gets a medal

    Owen, Fabio, Evans and Valencia even if they get to 10 apps doesnt mean they will get a medal with 18 players already on 10+ apps

    surely the Premier League could issue at least 25 medals as the Community Shield does, if not 30, as the Euro comps and FA Cup does

    I think there have been a few players who turned down a special dispensation long term injury medal in the past so if Hargo gets one like that will be interesting to see if he accepts it

    Valencia is borderline in terms of qualifying via 10 apps or being out most of season I think and getting a medal due to long term injury...if they dont play him in 10 maybe that could free up another medal for someone else and Val would get one cause of the leg injury? not sure exactly how that all works and who at the FA decides this
  18. Roger

    Roger Regular Members

    Messages:
    1,332
    Likes Received:
    52
    Trophy Points:
    50
    Ever heard of any of these medals being auctioned??? Wonder how much they sold for?
  19. treble1999

    treble1999 Regular Members

    Messages:
    1,499
    Likes Received:
    116
    Trophy Points:
    65
    I dont see Fergie giving his medal to one of the unlucky players as it would be the 19th league title for United
  20. treble1999

    treble1999 Regular Members

    Messages:
    1,499
    Likes Received:
    116
    Trophy Points:
    65
    I'm hoping United win 5 trophies in 2011...league, champions league, community shield, uefa super cup and fifa club world cup

Spread the Word