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I think so.........

You have a bad start to the season and you have to go.

Whether it's right or not, it's reality !

In an ideal world, though, a new manager coming into a club would get a certain
amount of time, say two years, so that they can not only start to get results but
the board of directors will be able to see you are the right man for the job.

It will take a bit of time for the board to see how you are developing the club from
the bottom up, from the youth team to the backroom staff and the first-team
squad.

The problem is that the fans and the shareholders whom the directors are
answering to do not see that on a day-to-day basis as the board does.

The directors can still think he is the right man and is handling things which is
why, although Sir Alex Ferguson did not win anything in his first five years at the
club, the board stuck by him because they knew the success would come.

They would not be able to give him that time now. At the big clubs you are
expected to win or to contend right up to the final stages of the Premier League,
the FA Cup, the League Cup and the Champions League. The big clubs expect to
be semi-finalists or finalists year in, year out.

Besides the big four, there are a number of others getting close too, Newcastle,
Everton, Tottenham and probably Aston Villa and Manchester City.

Their directors know that they are big enough clubs to challenge the established
top four, if the manager gets it right.

These are the issues that increase expectation on a manager from within the
club, and from the fans. If they have a bad year or a bad 18 months then the
manager has a very good chance of being sacked - and sometimes they do not
even get that long.

It is very difficult. If you are going to come into the managerial profession now
there is no room for dreaming of having years to build your vision: you have to
be realistic.

There is only one thing that will make it almost impossible to sack you as a
manager - and that is getting results. And sometimes even that is not enough.

If you are the Tottenham Hotspur manager Martin Jol you can have two fantastic
years and still find you are not the man that the directors believe can take the
club to the next level.

In two years Jol twice took Tottenham to fifth in the Premier League and almost
qualified for the Champions League which was probably better than anyone
expected.

His bad start to the season came after it was reported the directors had spoken
to Sevilla's Juande Ramos, who has now replaced him. Once that information was
in the public domain, Jol was always going to go.

You lose the players on the training ground very quickly when things like that
come out and the chairman, Daniel Levy, has apologised for the way it was
handled.

They clearly did not fancy Jol despite the results so it is not always as
straightforward as saying that you need more time in the job. And this is not
new - the pressure has always been there whatever era you managed in. And
the bottom line is that it's a great profession even though you know that just
around the corner the sack could be coming. The highs are incredible highs, the
lows are depressing and every manager would tell you the same.

What do you think.....................???
 

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Yes, they are sacked too quickly. We're in the results business now, no one cares what kind of football you play or how much many you spend as long as you win. Just look at Sir Bobby Robson. Beautiful football Newcastle played under him, they fail to qualify for the champions league and gets a couple of bad results at the start of the following season, and he is out.

Clubs need stability. No wonder the two most succesful clubs in england the past decade actually had the same managers for that period of time. If a board believes in a manager and they go on and bring him to their club, they should trust him enough to give him some time to get his mark on the club and install his beliefs and ideas. Just look at what Alan Curbishley has done in his time at Charlton, look and learn.
 

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Who said football was easy...?????

The fan bases are big and their expectations are even bigger...
In the pubs two seasons ago Fergie was being clled upon to be sacked by a lot of people...
Successors were being named...Lippi...O'Neill...."but the board stuck by him because they knew the success would come".
I think it's ridiculous to be honest..the expectations and pressure put on premier league managers.
However they know what they are getting themselves into and if they don't, they should not be in the job.




Hughes, Coppell, Fergie and Wenger are the stand out managers for me.
 

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Keano's fan said:
Yes, they are sacked too quickly. We're in the results business now, no one cares what kind of football you play or how much many you spend as long as you win. Just look at Sir Bobby Robson. Beautiful football Newcastle played under him, they fail to qualify for the champions league and gets a couple of bad results at the start of the following season, and he is out.

Clubs need stability. No wonder the two most succesful clubs in england the past decade actually had the same managers for that period of time. If a board believes in a manager and they go on and bring him to their club, they should trust him enough to give him some time to get his mark on the club and install his beliefs and ideas. Just look at what Alan Curbishley has done in his time at Charlton, look and learn.
Agreed Keano. You just need to look at Fergie as the prime example. People around OT were bringing in signs with Fergie out! on them. He was pretty close to facing the chop and obviously that would have been a mistake of massive proportions.

I feel sorry for the mangers who are sacked, they usually have to up and leave on little or no notice. They have their kids in the local schools, they have to sell their house etc etc. I know its part and parcel of football and its a results orientated business but I cant help feel sorry for them, especially when its the players who have let them down.
 

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Some are and some aren't.

Martin Jol was sacked far too quickly this season. He has turned Spurs into a reasonably successful and highly profitable club. He was a victin of his own success because the board wanted too much too quickly.

On the otherhand, I believe that Bolton made the right decision in sacking Sammy Lee. He has been a good coach for many years and should have known Bolton inside out having worked there under Allardyce. However, it quickly became apparent that he is not cut out to be a manager (it was the same with Brian Kidd - great coach but not a good manager). The only mistake Bolton made was appointing Gary Megson as his replacement!
 

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More than firing too quickly, which does happen as in the case w/ Jol, I found it ironic that Spurs could still only draw a winnable game this weekend. I find it srange how some managers still have jobs. Lawrie Sanchez at Fulham spent 20 million pounds on some players which are total stiffs. Chris Baird, their right back, would be manna from heaven if he is in the lineup against United, he's a championship league back on a premier league team. Healy is also an unimpressive signing. I feel for the ones who get sacked, because they are professionals indifficult positions, but again, they are big boys who know what they are getting into.
 

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More than firing too quickly, which does happen as in the case w/ Jol, I found it ironic that Spurs could still only draw a winnable game this weekend. I find it srange how some managers still have jobs. Lawrie Sanchez at Fulham spent 20 million pounds on some players which are total stiffs. Chris Baird, their right back, would be manna from heaven if he is in the lineup against United, he's a championship league back on a premier league team. Healy is also an unimpressive signing. I feel for the ones who get sacked, because they are professionals indifficult positions, but again, they are big boys who know what they are getting into.
Be fair mate. healy is a proven goal scorer at international level. His record is up there with the best and Baird is a solid defender. Plenty of teams were looking for him last summer. Sanchez is a good manager and probably needs time with the new team and players.
 

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Hutchings and Lee were doing a bollix job anyway - they deserved to be sacked imo.

Both looked funny aswel.................:rolleyes:
 
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