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Why you should look no further than Arsenal & Man United to know it pays to be patient!

Football FanCast columnist Shaun Murphy feels that trigger happy chairman should only have to look at Manchester United and Arsenal to realise that it pays to keep faith with your managers.

"Alex Ferguson and Arsene Wenger are the longest-serving managers, and that's no coincidence. When they had difficult times - and both did - they were given time to get it right and bed things down. Yet at other clubs, the manager leaves straight away, because he isn't given any control."

"I've been here six years, and that makes me the third longest-serving manager, and in a way, that's some sort of success."

-- David Moyes, Everton manager (2002-present)

As things stand, 29 managers have been relieved of their duties already this season in the top four divisions - and it's only January!

For some, past glories have meant precious little. Take the recent scandalous sacking of Martin Ling at Leyton Orient for instance. Yes, the O's currently find themselves embroiled in a scrap at the foot of the table in League One, but are by no means cut adrift. But, after over five years of good service at Brisbane Road, including a successful promotion campaign in 2006, he was dispensed of as soon as the going got tough.

The irony of the decision? Ling was linked with the Swindon Town job a matter of weeks ago, a club where he has strong links from his playing days. However, Ling, who was the sixth longest serving manager in the league, stayed loyal to his present employers and look where that got him.

And what about Aidy Boothroyd at Watford? He massively overachieved in his first season in charge by guiding his side to the Premiership. However, following relegation, he had a number of players sold under his nose and received no money for new signings in return, making progress a near impossible task. Working as well as he could with what he had, Boothroyd was also dismissed. How the Hornets could do with his fighting qualities now, with the club embroiled in a relegation battle at the bottom of the Championship.

Unreasonable expectations from the fans and board alike also appear to be a factor. Earlier in the season, Alan Curbishley walked out on West Ham citing a "breach of trust and confidence" as his reasons for leaving Upton Park. But in reality, he had one of the most thankless tasks in football. West Ham fans not only want success, but good, attacking football. A big ask in the Premier League these days without big resources. Curbishley never truly endeared himself to the West Ham faithful, and his departure was inevitable.

It's the same in the lower leagues too. Danny Wilson was ridiculously sacked from his post at Hartlepool after seeing his side slip into the bottom half of the table in League One. Hardly a crisis, is it? But the Pools board certainly thought so, and the experienced Wilson was sent packing.

Some dismissals were warranted, however. The departures of Glenn Roeder at Norwich City and Alan Pardew at Charlton Athletic were more than justified, with both teams struggling for confidence and form. However, with both clubs appointing their replacements from within, it seems the cheap option is preferred as the two clubs strive to stay in the Championship.

There are exceptions to the rule, though. Despite Middlesborough's precarious position in the Premier League, Gareth Southgate will be given plenty of time to turn things round at the Riverside Stadium. In Steve Gibson he has one of the most patient chairmen in football, and the emphasis on English youth has been refreshing to see at Boro.

Mick McCarthy at Wolves is another example of a manager being given time to turn things round. Last season saw McCarthy spend lots of money, only to see his Wolves side fail to make the play-offs. But, he was backed by his chairman, Steve Morgan, and his Wolves side are now reaping the rewards, sitting pretty at the top of the table and playing some fabulous football to boot.

Of course, football is a results business, and no more so than in today's cut throat industry. The price of success and failure is all too much to bear these days. Managers have to learn from their mistakes, and those who have made mistakes must be given time to do so. Chopping and changing constantly is not the key to success, and a glance at the top of the longest serving managers list will tell you that.

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Yes I agree with this but if a manager loses the dressing room or is clearly going to take a club down they have to go .

No company would keep with a boss that was going to make them bust would they and that applys to football aswell .

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I agree, managers need more time than they are currently given.

It's ironic that there was a quote from David Moyes in the article, as I was going to use him as an example. A couple of season ago, Everton were struggling at the bottom of the table and some of the fans seemed to want a new man in charge. However, the board stuck with him, they finished 11th that season and look at them now.

Obviously, as red dave says, if he loses the dressing room then I think they should go.

However, in terms of going down there are two ways to look at it. If they are going down without a fight, then I would say they have to go. But I think clubs who sack managers when they are in a relegation battle, when they are still fighting then that is the wrong choice.

And even if they go down, they should think before acting. Reading could easily have sacked Steve Coppell. But they didn't, and rightly so, and they are challenging at the top looking as though they are returning to the Premiership.

In just the premiership, it might suprise some just how many managers there has been since the premiership started. (hopefully not missed any off this list).

Adams, Mickey
Adams, Tony
Allardyce, Sam
Allen, Clive (C)
Ardiles, Ossie
Atkinson, Ron

Ball, Alan
Ball, Kevin (C)
Barlow, Frank (C)
Bassett, Dave
Benitez, Rafael
Black, Eric (C)
Bonds, Billy
Book, Tony (C)
Boothroyd, Aidy
Branfoot, Ian
Brolin, Thomas (C)
Brooking, Trevor Sir (T)
Brown, Phil
Bruce, Steve
Burley, George
Burrows, Frank (C)
Burton, Terry (C)

Carver, John (C)
Clark, Frank
Clarke, Steve (C)
Clemence, Ray
Clough, Brian
Coleman, Chris
Coppell, Steve
Curbishley, Alan

Dalglish, Kenny
Davies, Billy
Deehan, John
Dowie, Ian

Eriksson, Sven-Goran
Evans, Roy

Ferguson, Alex Sir
Francis, Gerry
Francis, Trevor

Gabriel, Jimmy (C)
Goddard, Paul (C)
Gorman, John
Gould, Bobby
Graham, George
Grant, Avram
Gray, Eddie
Gray, Stuart
Gregory, John
Gross, Christian
Gullit, Ruud

Harford, Mick (T)
Harford, Ray
Hoddle, Glen
Hodgson, Roy
Horton, Brian
Houllier, Gerard
Houston, Stewart (C)
Hughes, Mark
Hughton, Chris (C)
Hutchings, Chris

Ince, Paul

Jefferies, Jim
Jewell, Paul
Jol, Martin
Jones, Dave
Jordan, Joe (C)

Keane, Roy
Keegan, Kevin
Keen, Kevin (C)
Kendell, Howard
Kidd, Brian
Kinnear, Joe
Knox, Archie (C)

Lawrence, Lennie
Lee, Sammy
Lewington, Ray (C)
Little, Brian
Livermore, Doug
Lombardo, Atillio (C)
Lyall, John

MacDonald, Kevin (C)
McCall, Stuart (C)
McCarthy, Mick
McDermott, Terry (C)
McEwen, Billy (C)
McFarland, Roy
McGhee, Mark
McLaren, Steve
McLeish, Alex
Megson, Gary
Merrington, Dave
Mourinho, Jose
Mowbray, Tony
Moyes, David

Neal, Phil
Noades, Ron (C)

O'Leary, David
O'Neill, Martin
Olsen, Egil

Pardew, Alan
Parker, Garry (C)
Parkes, Tony (C)
Pearce, Stuart
Pearson, Nigel (C)
Perrin, Alain
Perryman, Steve (C)
Pleat, David
Porterfield, Ian
Pulis, Tony

Ramos, Juande
Ranieri, Claudio
Redknapp, Harry
Reed, Les
Reid, Peter
Rice, Pat (C)
Rioch, Bruce
Rix, Graham (C)
Robson, Bobby Sir
Robson, Bryan
Roeder, Glenn
Royle, Joe

Sanchez, Lawrie
Santini, Jaques
Sbragia, Ricky
Scolari, Phil
Shreeves, Peter (C)
Smith, Alan
Smith, Jim
Smith, Walter
Souness, Graeme
Southgate, Gareth
Strachan, Gordon
Sturrock, Paul

Taylor, Graham
Taylor, Peter
Thompson, Phil (T)
Tigana, Jean
Todd, Colin

Venables, Terry
Vialli, Gianluca

Walker, Mike
Warnock, Neil
Watson, Dave (C)
Webb, David
Wenger, Arsene
Wigley, Steve
Wilkins, Ray
Wilkinson, Howard
Wilson, Danny
Worthington, Nigel

Zajec, Velimir
Zola, Gianfranco


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A lot of the guys on that list were caretakers though, but its still pretty insane.

A lot of guys get let go of too early imo, yet Agent Hughes still has a job?

I guess that goes to show....

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Why City sacked Sven is beyond me. I used to think he was a moron, but I gained a lot of respect for him when he took over at City - did a great job, but they sacked him... I was baffled.

Clubs overall aren't patient enough, I'll agree, although I don't know why Arsenal should be put in the same category with United. If anything, Wenger's been there too long, and he's only now starting to lose touch with the fans.

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Even with care-taker manager, there have been way too many managers.

Clubs are shooting themselves in the foot.

After Moyes, I think Benitez is next on that list. You need to empower managers and you don't do that by having a history of sacking managers.

How many managers have Fulham had?

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i think sometimes its good to get rid of a manager as soon as possible..
for example getting rid of paul ince and bringing in big sam seems to have improved blackburns recent performances

same with spurs as-well
redknapp has got them playing which ramos couldn't
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