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Manchester United are known for attacking play and positive thinking. We are good on the break and we are known to play 4-4-2 or even 4-3-3 formations. We have got results with this formation and it has worked wonders for us. Fearing gaps in defence and a mini defensive crisis , Fergie is now going for 4-5-1 and even resorting to Rooney and Tevez playing out wide. This was evident as we struggled to maintain possession at the Nou Camp. Yes, we played defensively but we did not have any control over the game. Even the first half at Chelsea , the dictated the game . But we are the ones who play at a good tempo. Since Fergie changed his tactics in the second half and we pressurised chelsea , we sneaked a goal. Then again Anderson was subbed in for Oshea , a defensive player. What do we get ? A 2-1 scoreline. So we must stick to our strenghts and playing attackinf football , for what we are known for.

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I think we are better off sticking with 4-4-2..... We usually play better with this formation... i feel Fergie should play 4-4-2 against Barca :D
 

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In the earlier part of the season we played a 4-4-2 and it has worked for us. i don't know why Fergie is changing his tactics at this crucial point of the season. It seems to be doing no good for the team. I hope we play 4-4-2 against Barcelona.
 

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The Australian CL analyst said it was a disgraceful performance from Man United at the Nou Camp for a club of such a big size and I tottaly agree. We are an attacking side who are brilliant on the counter attack and you know the 4-5-1 did work pretty well for us in some games and we did play good football like vs Liverpoo at OT but imo the reason why we played poorly was the fact that we had players out of positon. If we had each player in their best position in that formation, we would of played much much better. Put Ronaldo on the wings, Rooney/Tevez up front and Hargreaves in DMC and you will see a much better performance imo.

Vs. Chelsea it was the starting line up and the personell choice which let us down. We should of chose our first strongest 11 and they would of won us the game imo. No Tevez, Scholes, Ronaldo, Evra in the starting line up says enough because if each played 90 mins I am sure we could of got a better result.

Tactics should be changed according to the different oppositions and what tactics they play with imo but we should play the players in their strongest positions in each tactic we play. I mean I wouldn't want to see Rooney on the left wing and Ronaldo up front in a 4-4-2. Tactics are good at the moment but the positions are key. Like Jazz said before - we didn't pay 18m for a new rb (Hargreaves). It just shows how we need to buy a rb in the summer.
 

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we'll come good, k'o barca then smash a few goals in against est ham with a clean sheet at the other end and stevie bruce will stick out the under 9's for us to be crowned champions :D haha
 

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IMO , Fergie is just too scared to show attacking intent. This is just guessing but i feel fergie wants the cl more and is tries something new which is not working. We must stick to our usual style at OT.
 

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We are one of the best teams in the world going forward. I hate to see us sit back and try and defend. We have to go for it on tuesday because Barca will score.
 

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I don think it will be that dramatic , but yeah we must attakc especially as it is a home game...... but if they score we must score 2wice.... fergie must not think of defending

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i think some of what he says is spot on , i have been saying for ages when you go negative and play defensive it sends out the message you are scared because you are changing your tactics due to fear o the opposition.
with the players we have at our disposal we need not fear anyone , our magnificient back four give us the springboard to play our 4-4-2 attacking formation.
fergies job should be easy all he has to do is say "go and enjoy yourselfs they are not fit to be on the same pitch as you".
I think he should remember how most of his success was achieved , 1999 in particular we played the same formation week in week out and shuffled a couple of players about

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the trouble is fergie is always nervous when it comes to europe , as this is his failing.
his negativity and nervousness transmits itself to the team in the latter stages., the poblem is it effects our league performances as well , eg chelsea in a title decider leaves his best players on the bench and tries to make a gifted team defend in order to save them for tuesday.
if he had played his strongest team like chelsea did , we would have beaten them and gone into the barca game very upbeat .
i think the emphasis on winning the champions league dictated his 4-5-1 formation , he thinks its best system to win in europe and uses it in away matches in the league.
 

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this is just a tactical reason for being defensive... dun think SAF is preferring one competition to another... after having gone thru so much throughout the season, do you think SAF will just decide that now he wants the CL more so he is keeping his better players on the bench? dun think so mate... we know very well that the points are in our hands for the league.. ( as in goal difference) Chelsea would still need to hope that we drop points on our remaining games in order for them to have any chance of claiming the title. so, it could have been a great result if the score at the bridge remained a draw, but it was just to late after Ballack's goal for a come back...

am glad that most of our starting 11 had some rest for the game on Tuesday... it will do us a world of good!!! have faith people, we'll definitely be celebrating soon ...
 

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stretty said:
the trouble is fergie is always nervous when it comes to europe , as this is his failing.
his negativity and nervousness transmits itself to the team in the latter stages., the poblem is it effects our league performances as well , eg chelsea in a title decider leaves his best players on the bench and tries to make a gifted team defend in order to save them for tuesday.
if he had played his strongest team like chelsea did , we would have beaten them and gone into the barca game very upbeat .
i think the emphasis on winning the champions league dictated his 4-5-1 formation , he thinks its best system to win in europe and uses it in away matches in the league.
I cant argue with anything you have said Stretty. Spot on as usual.
but the 2 reasons we have been playing like this are: Nou Camp and
Stamford Bridge. Notoriously tough places to go. The result in the Nou Camp
was good, despite the performance not being great.
The result at Stamford Bridge was terrible but we were very close to getting
that valuable draw....

So in one sense we were 5 mins or 1 dubious penalty away from it being
a good week. Thats all that was in it.
Fergie knows best anyway and I wont see anybody complaining if we get to
the CL final and win the Prem...
 

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we were away the last 2 games and we tried not to lose and to get a scrappy win....
we ddint lose against barca bu it was inevitable against chelsea....
but we have 2 home game coming up and the away game is against wigan..we can win them all...
GLORY GLORY UNITED!
 

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Manchester United are known for attacking play and positive thinking. We are good on the break and we are known to play 4-4-2 or even 4-3-3 formations. We have got results with this formation and it has worked wonders for us. Fearing gaps in defence and a mini defensive crisis , Fergie is now going for 4-5-1 and even resorting to Rooney and Tevez playing out wide. This was evident as we struggled to maintain possession at the Nou Camp. Yes, we played defensively but we did not have any control over the game. Even the first half at Chelsea , the dictated the game . But we are the ones who play at a good tempo. Since Fergie changed his tactics in the second half and we pressurised chelsea , we sneaked a goal. Then again Anderson was subbed in for Oshea , a defensive player. What do we get ? A 2-1 scoreline. So we must stick to our strenghts and playing attackinf football , for what we are known for.

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Oh boy , you have no idea how much I agree with you......

stretty said:
the trouble is fergie is always nervous when it comes to europe , as this is his failing.
his negativity and nervousness transmits itself to the team in the latter stages., the poblem is it effects our league performances as well , eg chelsea in a title decider leaves his best players on the bench and tries to make a gifted team defend in order to save them for tuesday.
if he had played his strongest team like chelsea did , we would have beaten them and gone into the barca game very upbeat .
i think the emphasis on winning the champions league dictated his 4-5-1 formation , he thinks its best system to win in europe and uses it in away matches in the league.
AAABBSObloomingLUTELY!!! I see no reason why we should not dominate many games and hold our own in others.

This philosophy is based on an illusion of risk versus caution (no risk). Both tactics have risks attached to them. Defending deep and conceding possession has it's own risks as balls are frequently played into your box and you have few chances to score. It's also risky to try and score an away goal or try to win at the bridge. Risk in football is unavoidable , the choice is which kind of risk is best suited to your team and the situation. The idea that there is a choice between a risky approach and a cautious approach is false. The choice is between a passive approach and a pro-active approach. Both have risks , both have good points and bad points but one of them suits our players and one of them has got us where we are now.

For example Man United have lost more games than Chelsea or Arsenal but are sitting top because of a pro-active approach based on trying to win games and score goals. Chelsea , for all their hyped home record have taken 7 points less at home than United and have dropped points through draws not defeats. Has that been a risky approach for United or would it have been more risky to try and remain unbeaten at home? Is trying for an away goal more risky than not getting one or less risky?

I'm sitting watching the Arsenal match thinking "they are going to score in a minute" watching our players stand 5 yards away from their midfield looking like muppets while Adebayor wastes chance after chance. Will he continue wasting them , no of course he doesn't , so instead of putting those tackles in and knocking Arsenal out of their stride (eg - 4-0 FACUP) we let them play , let them pass , let them dominate , conserve energy and then have to use it all anyway trying to dig ourselves out of a hole of our own making. Boy did we get away with it that day!!! Why on earth Fergie didn't tell them to do exactly what they did in the FA CUP I don't know. It seemed to work before? But no , he prefered to allow the Arsenal midfield more time and space than they would get against Wigan. Did it work? - no ! They scored and we had to come to life 50 minutes later than we should have. Unbelievable! I could see what was going to happen , I bet you could. Fergie gave them instructions to not get within 5 yards of any Arsenal player thus giving a team that was low on confidence the chance to play their way into the game. Risky or what? Pundits have been saying for years that United are at their most effective playing a high tempo game. If we do the same against Barca their midfield will think it's Xmas come early. In football you have to do what the opposition don't want you to and I reckon Barca were scared of us at the Nou Camp and were grateful that we kept our gloves on. The Barca players and management did not seem at all phased by our tactics probably figuring (in a Rangers type way) that their best chance was at OT.

You see to me Fergie's current tactics seem safe and cautious because we forget the hidden risks involved and perceive adventure and attack as risky and defending as "clever". I think allowing Barca onto us at the noucamp and having no away goals is highly risky and letting Chelsea back into the title race is very risky. Fergie's current tactics are risk free and cautious but looked at in another way they are not. It just feels safer to defend and play cagey , but many teams have plotted their own downfall doing so , teams that are better at it than United are. To me Fergies tactics seem naive and fearful. It's as if losing having a go at it would be worse than losing by palying it cagey (which could easily happen).


So given the choice I would prefer United to take risks the United way rather than take risks the Chelski way. That way United can be true to themselves and and keep their fluency . If it all goes wrong then at least we can say we bought a ticket. Attacking more may be risky but so is defending your 18 yard line for 90 minutes.

You watch against Barca, at some point the game will come alive and release itself from this tactical nonesense and when it does United will be stronger than Barca. I just hope we don't have to wait for them to score before we finally get going. Does our season really have to hang by a thread before we return once again to the football that brought us here
 

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i can't understand fergie playing these negative tactics at all.the guy has proved himself to be the greatest british manager of all time by playing good attacking football at both utd and aberdeen,yet in the last 4 champions league semi final ties we have been involved in since 99 he has gone negative {to date} and we have bottled everyone {i hope we play with 2 strikers on tuesday then we can win}.
he is now using these tactics in major premier league games and still losing them ,we are losing games with these negative tactics when our team is every bit as good has our opponents ,yet our players are played out of positions and are told to contain instead of attack.unless he gets back to his basic style of play he will bottle every major challenge he sets himself,he deserves at least 3 european cups to his name {only 1 landed so far} if he had attacked in past semi's he could well have won 3 already but he chose the negative game and we beat ourselves and i mean no disrespect to our opponents but they probabley expected to lose in all honesty.
 

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Defensive play should be banned from football. The only solution is to make the goals bigger or reduce to 10-a-side. For the good of entertainment.
 

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sweet fa said:
i can't understand fergie playing these negative tactics at all.the guy has proved himself to be the greatest british manager of all time by playing good attacking football at both utd and aberdeen,yet in the last 4 champions league semi final ties we have been involved in since 99 he has gone negative {to date} and we have bottled everyone {i hope we play with 2 strikers on tuesday then we can win}.
he is now using these tactics in major premier league games and still losing them ,we are losing games with these negative tactics when our team is every bit as good has our opponents ,yet our players are played out of positions and are told to contain instead of attack.unless he gets back to his basic style of play he will bottle every major challenge he sets himself,he deserves at least 3 european cups to his name {only 1 landed so far} if he had attacked in past semi's he could well have won 3 already but he chose the negative game and we beat ourselves and i mean no disrespect to our opponents but they probabley expected to lose in all honesty.
Yes , 0-0 is good away but United have gone out twice in these circumsatnces and I can't think of a major tie they have won like this. In a way 0-0 is only marginally better than a 1-2 defeat (eg roma last year) because in both cases you have to score and win to go through. A 1-0 win sees you through in both cases , a 1-1 draw knocks you out in both cases. The only difference with 0-0 is that if it's 0-0 at fulltime you go to extra time...but who expects it to be 0-0 at full time at OT? 0-0 0-0 over two legs is a very rare result. Therefore United are only at best 5% better off than if they had lost 1-2 in the Camp , it might have been better to risk losing 1-2 to have a chance of a 2-1 away win or even 2-2 , which really is a top result. But no , united have forfeited their chance of doing this by going for the slight and dubious "advantage " of a 0-0. So which approach is risky and which is cautious? Assuming that 0-0 is a very unlikely score on Tuesday then United have to win at OT just like against Roma last year. Yes we are a bit better off than at 1-2 but the risk of losing at the Camp was worth the possible rewards. Wake up an smell the coffee Fergie! If we are going to be Champions of Europe then we have to grasp the nettle of fear.
 

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whether it is 451 or 442, it comes down to mentality at the end. we prove that we can go out and attack with either 451 or 442. we sit back and defend in the first half, and we decide to go out and attack after going one goal down in the second half, both half we played with 451. it is not down to formation, it is down to mentality.
 
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