Manchester United (1990-present)acazzer said:does ryan giggs deserve to be the all time appearance holder for united?
Couldnt have put it better myselfKeano's fan said:Manchester United (1990-present)
FA Premier League - Champion (9): 1992-93, 1993-94, 1995-96, 1996-97, 1998-99, 1999-00, 2000-01, 2002-03, 2006-07
FA Premier League - Runner Up: 1994-95, 1997-98, 2005-06
FA Youth Cup Winner: 1992
FA Cup Winner (4): 1994, 1996, 1999, 2004
FA Cup Runner Up: 1995, 2005, 2007
League Cup Winner (2): 1992, 2006
League Cup Runner Up: 1994, 2003
Community Shield Winner (6): 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2007
Community Shield Runner Up: 1998, 2000, 2001, 2004
UEFA Champions League Winner: 1998-99
UEFA Super Cup Winner: 1991
UEFA Super Cup Runner Up: 1999
Intercontinental Cup: 1999
Now, does Ryan Giggs deserve to be the all time appearance holder for united ?
based on what ? a drop in form in the past couple of months ? Is that enough to erase 17 years of great service by him ?carlyluvsunited said:To say he has won 10 billion trophies so he deserves it is nonsense !
A record like this is earned on merit ...
You break the record if you are good enough to play for that amount of time ...
It's not based on ANYTHING else !
Sure Giggs is, and will always be a legend ....
But nowhere near as big a legend as the current record holder is ...
Check the title, you're in the wrong thread. If you wanna discuss his current performances there are other threads for that.kbucka said:I agree Giggs has been a Legend for us but you can see he has lost his pace and the amount of times he lost possesion last night was beyond belief, this should be his final season....He wasn't good either last season, us winning the league covered his performances up somewhat.....
I have to take my hat off to giggs and the great servant he has been for Manchester united. if he manages to break Charlton's record yes he fully deserves it particularly in this day and age of mercenary footballers whose only loyalty is to their wage packet. How he has kept the hunger and drive going for so long is somrthing to marvel at and shows what a humble and nice guy that he genuinely seems to be.Keano's fan said:based on what ? a drop in form in the past couple of months ? Is that enough to erase 17 years of great service by him ?
Its easy to say that a player who played in an era you never lived is better than a current one. You've seen Giggs on good days and on bad days whereas you only hear the good things about our past legends. You probably dont know that in his Sir Bobbys early career he was deemed too slow and that he stalled us in many ways. Some even claimed that he only made his name off munich. He played out wide many times and he was average there by his own admission, and Giggs get attacked for putting in an average perfomance playing up front. Many also feel that Sir bobby was a shadow of te player he was in the last couple of years of his career as well, the same could be said about George Best. Now why are they held on a higher level than Giggs ? Is it because we havent seen a full match of them let alone a poor one ?
You know whats nonsense Carly ? Its the short memories some people have. In his 17 years career, This is only Ryans second major dip in form after the high profile one of 2002. Are you telling me that Sir Bobby, Best, Law and Cantona never suffered dips in form ? Why is Bobby Charlton a bigger legend than Giggs ? Give me a logical explanation. I believe that if you searched our 130 years of history, you wouldnt find a player more worthy to carry such honor.
Which like I said makes Charlton slightly more of a legend than Giggs ...Fergaiste said:As for him being considered a great player for Man united I would stop short of putting him in that category alongside such luminaries as Keane,Robson,scholes,cantona,Law,best and Charlton.In relation to the latter he happens to be our record goalscorer with 298 goals from midfield compared with 142 for Giggs. He was European footballer of the year in 1966 and is also England's record goalscorer with 49 goals