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Red Devil said:
They have to be, no contest.

If you consider the "potential" there, Gerrard; Lampard, Rooney, Rio etc etc and their performances - we have to have the worst international team on the planet. They are so bad they are dire. Its an embarrassment to watch. :eek:
tut tut tut, oh ye of little faith ;)
 
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Too many cooks spoil the broth. Clichés are often dismissed as predictable escape routes but their existence suggests they possess some truth.

And as the debate surrounding the international careers of Steven Gerrard and Frank Lampard rages, the above forecast appears to hold substance. The topic of England's central midfield pairing is not a new one but it has again reared its head after two disjointed World Cup performances against Kazakhstan and Belarus.

On paper, Liverpool captain Gerrard and Chelsea ace Lampard should have been the dream team at the heart of their country's midfield since making respective international debuts in 2000 and 1999. However, the pair have been unable to dovetail and openly admit to failing to 'click'.

Both players are class acts for their clubs. Unrivalled match-winners capable of taking games by the scruff of the neck, and, in theory, would provide a middle pairing to rival any in the world. But a tuneful partnership to match Lennon and McCartney has failed to materialise and the song sheet would appear more Doherty and Barat.

The simple conclusion would be to suggest that the pair are simply too similar to work in tandem. Dreams are not always practical in reality. That seaside house with ocean views and a garden measured in acres appears perfect, but might leave you on the verge of ruin. Likewise, that eye-catching girlfriend or boyfriend may not be the one you would necessarily take home to meet Mum and Dad.

This seems a very English argument. Despite setting a new record with a four-game winning run in the opening stages of 2010 World Cup qualifying, the search is still on for the negatives. Is there anything wrong if the team is consistently sampling success?

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Jazz 16 said:
tut tut tut, oh ye of little faith ;)
Guilty as charged, but, when typed, was true. But, credit where credit is due. They got better, but still only half way to qualification.
 

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Getting into the World Cup is so much easier than winning it. It is the big-time choker type of reputation that is frightening as it seems to have some unknown powers. Just look at the All Blacks, favourite for every World Cup but have only won it once.

Then again, if Spain managed to break free from its stranglehold, perhaps England can do it too.
 

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Getting into the World Cup is so much easier than winning it. It is the big-time choker type of reputation that is frightening as it seems to have some unknown powers. Just look at the All Blacks, favourite for every World Cup but have only won it once.

Then again, if Spain managed to break free from its stranglehold, perhaps England can do it too.
I wouldnt call England chokers. Id say they were more unlucky. Since 1990 they
have made a semi and about 3/4 quarter finals of major tournaments.
Thay always lose on penalties as well, which is more or less the flick of a coin at times.

You mentioned the All Blacks. There have only been 6 rugby World Cups and they
have still won one (the inaugural one) and have been unlucky in some of the rest
of them, especially as one other team has tended to come good (SA, England, Aus)

Every team is in with a chance of winning the World Cup.
Look at the recent results in South America with Brazil and Arg failing to win games,
and here in Europe, the likes of France, Czech rep and Portugal not doing great either.

In international football there is a VERY fine line between success and
failure and luck can play its part also as well as player/ref mistakes.
Imo there are about 10-12 teams that could win the next World Cup.
 

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Jazz 16 said:
I wouldnt call England chokers. Id say they were more unlucky. Since 1990 they
have made a semi and about 3/4 quarter finals of major tournaments.
Thay always lose on penalties as well, which is more or less the flick of a coin at times.

You mentioned the All Blacks. There have only been 6 rugby World Cups and they
have still won one (the inaugural one) and have been unlucky in some of the rest
of them, especially as one other team has tended to come good (SA, England, Aus)
On second thought, England may not even qualify as chokers (it feels like chokers to me because I am an England fan, having grown up on English football so its national team has always been a natural inclination). Well, in honesty, they are never really expected by the neutrals to win the World Cup.

But not so for the All Blacks. They always dominate in Test series even before the World Cup, widely tipped by neutrals to win in each tournament but except for the inaugural one, they just choke again and again. :(
 

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Jazz 16 said:
I wouldnt call England chokers. Id say they were more unlucky. Since 1990 they have made a semi and about 3/4 quarter finals of major tournaments. Thay always lose on penalties as well, which is more or less the flick of a coin at times.
Brings back a lot of unhappy memories :(

England have always been a match for the best teams in the World (that's why we keep drawing against them :rolleyes: ) but in recent times we've never been able to say that we are genuinely better than them.

We are also very, very bad at penalties. Chris Waddle, Stuart Pearce, Gareth Southgate, David Batty, David Beckham, Darius Vassell, Frank Lampard, Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher will never be forgotten. :D
 
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