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mickthered said:
carlyluvsunited obviously has not got a clue about FC United and looks like someone has been going through other forums to try and find arguments just to have a go at FC
Just a pity she did not care to have a look at the answers and replies as there are many forums where she got her questions from that also have the answers

Not at all - my questions were raised by ME - and because they are a bit different the FCUM people are finding it hard to reach a proper answer........as it is them who have become used to the 'normal' questions but get confused when something different comes up.



Im sure some other teams fans would be happy had a few thousand United fans just turned up with no affiliation to the club and just taken over
maybe carlyluvsunited does not understand what the word protest means
I know Lets form a protest club and not tell anyone about it

As I said before - and will say again as you too completely missed it........Why turn up and 'take over' as you put it ? You don't like United any more - so go and support someone else who you do like.....'taking over' should be the last thing they think of......but always seem to mention.......illusions of grandeur....."We are better than you" etc etc etc.....Have your protest and leave.......easy

Learn to use Google a bit better I think you will find out the the club is Trafford FC who play in the NWCFL and are not struggling and have also done very well out of their games against FC including frendly games

If I had used Google I would have remembered the name of Trafford FC wouldn't I ? Yes I would so thats the end of that accusation......

May be we should ask Glazer if we can pay at OT for free
Its wrong that non league clubs dont get the money and its wrong That Bury do get some money make your mind up

Make my mind up ? Why ? They should have shared a ground with a non-league team to help them out - a ground befitting the size and relelvance of FCUM rather than the extravagance of sharing a ground far too big for them - this would help the smaller club out - the club who 'needs' the money........or maybe this is below them and wouldn't put them in the lime light so much !!


Some will crawl back but I would imagine that as the ST costs go up and and the club takes the piss with ACS etc Im sure others will also be going the other way

If carlyluvsunited wants to try and take the piss out out of many time served reds who have been going to OT for decades and watched the shite football home and away week in week out in the 70s and 80s and who have now been priced out then thats her opinion

Of all the 22 Premier League teams United's tickets come 10th in the list of prices......you get to see the best of the best cheaper than half the other leagues teams charge !!! Seems good to me - after all you cant buy a Rolls for the price of an Escort.......or caviar for the price of a fish cake........but you see United play for less than the price of Reading, Spurs and Middlesborough !!! Bargain !!!

People that have watched United for years through thick and thin priced out then called a traitor by some post 96 footie fan JCL

So anyone who is not pre-96 doesn't count then ? Sounds familiar !

Same old argument all the time it seems that its ok to watch United and any other team as long as its not FC United

Now I wonder where all this has come from as it seems almost word for word that others with their own agenda have used

From my head

Or maybe as a Romanian living in South Wales carlyluvsunited should have taken some of her own advice
After all I hear Barry Town are struggling

Lovely points and blah, blah, blah but AGAIN......no answers to my questions :eek:
 

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I admit that I am by no means an expert on FCUM....

I have seen a lot of good arguments put across but I keep coming back to the same conclusion..
Does FCUM not contradict the unwritten rule of a supporter, which is, stick with the club through thick and thin, good times and bad..
I live in the west of Ireland, and am sixteen, so I don't get to travel to many United matches, maybe one a year.
I can understand fans complaining about ticket prices but it is the same at the other top clubs, worse at Arsenal.
I know the Glazers have no reputation as a football family and at first I was weary but they seem to keep behind the scenes and the club is running really well at the moment..
In the end when you are a up in the stands cheering on the team with the other 75000 supporters you're not thinking of the Glazers, your thinking about the team, the players and the result!
I know that many fans have been priced out but afterall. in the words of Ian the tourguide at OT, "Manchester United is no loger a football club, It's a business".
I must admit I felt a sudden sick feeling in my gut but when I went to the match the next day with my dad and brother we cheered like crazy from start to finish and the Glazers or the price of tickets didn't enter our minds at all......
......However that is not to say I don't feel for the supporters who have gone to nearly every match over the last twenty or thirty years and who are now being priced out..That really is disgraceful but such is life in this day and age.....
 

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Keano4taoiseach said:
I admit that I am by no means an expert on FCUM....

I have seen a lot of good arguments put across but I keep coming back to the same conclusion..
Does FCUM not contradict the unwritten rule of a supporter, which is, stick with the club through thick and thin, good times and bad..
I live in the west of Ireland, and am sixteen, so I don't get to travel to many United matches, maybe one a year.
I can understand fans complaining about ticket prices but it is the same at the other top clubs, worse at Arsenal.
I know the Glazers have no reputation as a football family and at first I was weary but they seem to keep behind the scenes and the club is running really well at the moment..
In the end when you are a up in the stands cheering on the team with the other 75000 supporters you're not thinking of the Glazers, your thinking about the team, the players and the result!
I know that many fans have been priced out but afterall. in the words of Ian the tourguide at OT, "Manchester United is no loger a football club, It's a business".
I must admit I felt a sudden sick feeling in my gut but when I went to the match the next day with my dad and brother we cheered like crazy from start to finish and the Glazers or the price of tickets didn't enter our minds at all......
......However that is not to say I don't feel for the supporters who have gone to nearly every match over the last twenty or thirty years and who are now being priced out..That really is disgraceful but such is life in this day and age.....
HEAR HEAR !!!

Well said Mr Bertie !!

Not much Glazer bashing when United won the league for the 16th time.....

Or when Nani, Anderson, Hargreaves and Tevez turned up was there ?

Selective complaints seems to be the order of the day !!!
 

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carlyluvsunited said:
Lovely points and blah, blah, blah but AGAIN......no answers to my questions :eek:

Not at all - my questions were raised by ME - and because they are a bit different the FCUM people are finding it hard to reach a proper answer........as it is them who have become used to the 'normal' questions but get confused when something different comes up.
Try coming up with something new instead of asking the same old questions then all the answers are there if you could be bothered to look for them without the usual shit stirring the questions are no different


Make my mind up ? Why ? They should have shared a ground with a non-league team to help them out - a ground befitting the size and relelvance of FCUM rather than the extravagance of sharing a ground far too big for them - this would help the smaller club out - the club who 'needs' the money........or maybe this is below them and wouldn't put them in the lime light so much !!
Are you going to name some of these clubs that FC should groundshare with then
May be Bury need the money or do they not count because they are not in the Premier league

So United are cheaper then some other clubs so that makes it all right then to charge what they do and force the ACS on to people


So anyone who is not pre-96 doesn't count then
Did I say that I know plenty of people that are post 96 fans and have no problem with them apart from the small percentage that are only there because they think its fashionable

You don't like United any more
Who do you think you are mystic meg
Who are you to say who does and who does not like United anymore

That last quote shows that you know nothing about FC in any way and are just jumping on the bandwagon of having ago just because you think its fashionable

The answers are out there it just seems that you want to ignore the answers because yo don't like them
 

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mickthered said:
The answers are out there it just seems that you want to ignore the answers because yo don't like them

Why don't you give us the answers or your opinion on what FCUM is, stands for now instead of contradicting everything carly says....;)

Also, I am interested to hear your views on my theory on the whole FCUM debacle....??
 
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carlyluvsunited said:
Lovely points and blah, blah, blah but AGAIN......no answers to my questions :eek:
Carly all the points you raised have been answered, not just by myself but also by someone else i now see. But you just keep refusing to see the replies.
You keep saying no answers to your questions when you yourself refuse to answer any valid questions put to you.

More to the point, seeing as you want to be clever....most of your points are copy/paste jobs that others have asked as they are phrased and quoted word for word exactly how many others have seen before.



A bigger point is....where is there any QUESTION at all in your post that you want an answer to ?
A question begins with, who, what, where, why, when etc. and the sentence ends with a question mark. I for one cannot see any questions, just general accusations, statements and assumptions.
I cannot see any of that in your post below. Can anyone else ??


carlyluvsunited said:
Thats the FCUM agenda though......

I didn't mean for them to barge in through the front door and say "OK we take
over now"....

I mean go and support another local team - within the community of Manchester
United area without all the hype and clap trap about "We hate Glazer - We are
from United.........blah, blah, blah"

They use the name of United and The Glazers to generate publicity !

They still cling to the coat tails of United because letting go would leave them as
just another Unibond Non-League club......

.......and they don't want that - they are too used to the fame and fortune !!!

With this 'fame' they have raised lots of money !!

So they have an unfair disadvantage in the league they now play in - they
just 'bully' teams out the way 5-0......6-0.....8-0......more glory - but all from the
use of Uniteds name !!

Clubs like Trafford Park.....very close to United ground I assume......have been in
existence for such a long time - struggling by as an amateur team......they were
more deserving of the support from these guys........but FCUM chose the 'glory'
trail !!

They pay Bury 5,000 pounds a WEEK to use their ground !!!

Absolutely outrageous !!

Think of what good that could have done to a non-league club who actually
deserve the money to reward them for their years of struggle !!

I'm sorry but I'm entitled to an opinion as everyone else is - but for me this smells
very strongly of narcissism and self indulgence.......

When they move up a couple of leagues and the novelty has worn off......the
crowds shrink a bit.......the games become a 'challenge' instead of a walk
over........things will be oh so different and as has already happened they will all
come crawling back to Old Trafford expecting to be hailed as 'Heroes' of some
description..........

AG was given a hard time the other night for declaring.......

"I am Israeli born but I support Russia for this game........."

Well for FCUM read:

"I support Manchester United but for now I'll support FCUM".....

Traitors !!!

They have all made thier choices......and the choice was FCUM.......now it's time
they let go of United's coat tails and made a go of it alone......if they can !!
That's my last word on the matter, i'm not rising to your childish bait no more, if others wish to that's up to them, you can carry on showing yourself to be very intelligent and keep posting the childish blah, blah, blah that you always reply when you have nothing sensible to say.
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By the way.....

Hi ****....

Nice to meet you.....

We haven't spoken before :)

Welcome.....

Glad we got someone here who likes to have a bit of debating.....

mickthered said:
Try coming up with something new instead of asking the same old questions then all the answers are there if you could be bothered to look for them without the usual shit stirring the questions are no different

Are you going to name some of these clubs that FC should groundshare with then
May be Bury need the money or do they not count because they are not in the Premier league

Well....

FCUM do make a lot of noise about being a 'community' club.....and the fact Trafford whatever they're calles is right on the door step of Old Trafford it would have been nice to join them - and spread some happiness around the 'community' of Old Trafford - rather than going all the way to Bury !! Just an idea though. I think this club is a lot smaller than Bury and would have welcomed the cash and support a lot more than Bury - dont you agree ?


So United are cheaper then some other clubs so that makes it all right then to charge what they do and force the ACS on to people

Well I notice in life that if you want the best - you must pay the highest prices - but United don't charge the higher prices - so it's still a good balance - business is business - you cant expect United to bring the best playersand win the most trophies done on 1999 ticket prices can you ?

Did I say that I know plenty of people that are post 96 fans and have no problem with them apart from the small percentage that are only there because they think its fashionable

It's the way you accused me of being a post 96 fan !! I an't help being as young as I am sorry

Who do you think you are mystic meg
Who are you to say who does and who does not like United anymore

No....Mystic Carly.......

I don't say who does or doesn't like United any more - they made their own decisions - and went away - not my doing

That last quote shows that you know nothing about FC in any way and are just jumping on the bandwagon of having ago just because you think its fashionable

You're right - I do know very little - this is why I ask - dont mind do you :)

The answers are out there it just seems that you want to ignore the answers because yo don't like them
 

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Keano4taoiseach said:
Why don't you give us the answers or your opinion on what FCUM is, stands for now instead of contradicting everything carly says....;)

Also, I am interested to hear your views on my theory on the whole FCUM debacle....??

May be when she stops telling others who they do and dont like without even knowing anything about them and the fact as others have said her questions are as good as copy and paste from plenty of other forums

My theory on FC well what do you want only problem ask different people and you will get different answers

As someone who watched United through the Good and the bad Started going mid to late 60s with my dad reached the age of seven then started going on my own or with groups of mates from the age of ten the odd away then from fourteen regular aways

Watching United to me was always something that was done week in week out home and away not just a case of one or two games a season that some people are happy with

Out of work now due to ill health and can not afford the prices at OT and the fact that I also want to take my kids to regular football So I take them to watch FC
When they get older if they want to watch United then thats up to them
At least they get to watch regular football home and away and if United are on tv before or after a game then watch that as well (Two for the price of one)

Although saying that I dont think I would pay the prices that are charged now and I think its a rip off Not just at United but all premier football
The likes of Glazer using fans just to line his own pocket
Sick of the sanitised game being told to sit down lack of atmosphere dirty looks from fans if you try to start singing stupid o'clock KOs etc

FC may not be everyones cup of tea and I have no problem with that your choice do what you want
Just because some refuse to pay Glazer a penny does not mean they hate United just Glazer
Maybe someone like carly should learn to work out the difference in the two
Try telling most of the people in the pubs watching and shouting for United before or after an FC game, that they dont like United or they are traitors because many of them have been priced out

Hopefully as long as FC are out there they wont just be a thorn in the Glazers side but also a thorn in side for the likes of the rest of the premier league that they cant just rip of the fans as they like
But I supose all that just means I'm a traitor
 

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mickthered said:
May be when she stops telling others who they do and dont like without even knowing anything about them and the fact as others have said her questions are as good as copy and paste from plenty of other forums

My theory on FC well what do you want only problem ask different people and you will get different answers

As someone who watched United through the Good and the bad Started going mid to late 60s with my dad reached the age of seven then started going on my own or with groups of mates from the age of ten the odd away then from fourteen regular aways

Watching United to me was always something that was done week in week out home and away not just a case of one or two games a season that some people are happy with
Out of work now due to ill health and can not afford the prices at OT and the fact that I also want to take my kids to regular football So I take them to watch FC
When they get older if they want to watch United then thats up to them
At least they get to watch regular football home and away and if United are on tv before or after a game then watch that as well (Two for the price of one)

Although saying that I dont think I would pay the prices that are charged now and I think its a rip off Not just at United but all premier football
The likes of Glazer using fans just to line his own pocket
Sick of the sanitised game being told to sit down lack of atmosphere dirty looks from fans if you try to start singing stupid o'clock KOs etc

FC may not be everyones cup of tea and I have no problem with that your choice do what you want
Just because some refuse to pay Glazer a penny does not mean they hate United just Glazer
Maybe someone like carly should learn to work out the difference in the two
Try telling most of the people in the pubs watching and shouting for United before or after an FC game, that they dont like United or they are traitors because many of them have been priced out

Hopefully as long as FC are out there they wont just be a thorn in the Glazers side but also a thorn in side for the likes of the rest of the premier league that they cant just rip of the fans as they like
But I supose all that just means I'm a traitor

Man Utds fanbase extends all around the world and it is not possible for many fans to go to every match....
The world we live in sadly revolves around money whether you like or not.
Ticket prices are just part and parcel of the modern game just like the players wages, and to quote you sports minister, their "obscene" wages...
The Glazers own United, and that's all there is to it...
As I said earlier it is supporters like yourself who use to travel to nearly all the United games who have been affected the most by th takeover and rise in ticket prices as fans who only go to a few matches a year, the occasion overshadows the price..
However, being a fan is more than just about going to all the matches.
Some of the most die-hard fans only go to one or two matches a year but still love the club and will always have a place for it in their heart...

.......The post you have just typed has explained more to me about FCUM and the reasons behind more than anything else you have posted in this thread to be honest...
However I cannot understand how after supporting the club since the 60's you can just up and leave just like that because the club got taken over...

Do you still support Man United **** or have you broken off all connections with the club.....because if you have stopped supporting Man Utd completely..then as I understand it, the last 40 or years of your life supporting Man United have been a waste of time, especially travelling to all of the matches because I cannot see how after all of that devotion you could just suddenly up and leave and forget about the club....
 

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carlyluvsunited said:
By the way.....

Hi ****....

Nice to meet you.....

We haven't spoken before :)

Welcome.....

Glad we got someone here who likes to have a bit of debating.....
FCUM do make a lot of noise about being a 'community' club.....and the fact Trafford whatever they're calles is right on the door step of Old Trafford it would have been nice to join them - and spread some happiness around the 'community' of Old Trafford - rather than going all the way to Bury !! Just an idea though. I think this club is a lot smaller than Bury and would have welcomed the cash and support a lot more than Bury - dont you agree ?
There is a difference in being a community club and being a charity due to the good ties between both clubs trafford have done well playing against FC and have also played acouple of frendly games against them to thank them for their help in the past
Somehow I think the police and the trafford council would have had something to say about FC playing so close to OT and also the ground not being big enough the main reason why games against FC and trafford were never played at Traffords ground

As for playing at Gigg is it not a bit condescending to say we should not be playing there because of the size of the crowds
Whats next Bury shouldn't be playing there as well as they have almost the same size crowd as FC

If you had took the time to look into things you would have found out that Gigg lane was the last resort fo FC after almost every other non league ground was looked into and was knocked back by the police or local council
Bury was the only option in the end they knew that and had FC over a barrel with a three year contract
If it was possible to play at a smaller ground and at a cheaper price 99% of FC fans would be happy with that so as to use that a a stick to try and beat the club with is a little unfair

I don't say who does or doesn't like United any more - they made their own decisions - and went away - not my doing
Yes you did Just because some have "Gone away" as you say why would that mean they don't like United
So the many millions of United fans around the world who only watch United on tv are not United fans then
If you can work out the difference that hating Glazer does not mean you have to hate United as the stickers go Love united hate glazer
You may hopefully have a little more understanding of FC

Keano4taoiseach said:
Man Utds fanbase extends all around the world and it is not possible for many fans to go to every match....
The world we live in sadly revolves around money whether you like or not.
Ticket prices are just part and parcel of the modern game just like the players wages, and to quote you sports minister, their "obscene" wages...
The Glazers own United, and that's all there is to it...
As I said earlier it is supporters like yourself who use to travel to nearly all the United games who have been affected the most by th takeover and rise in ticket prices as fans who only go to a few matches a year, the occasion overshadows the price..
However, being a fan is more than just about going to all the matches.
Some of the most die-hard fans only go to one or two matches a year but still love the club and will always have a place for it in their heart...

.......The post you have just typed has explained more to me about FCUM and the reasons behind more than anything else you have posted in this thread to be honest...
However I cannot understand how after supporting the club since the 60's you can just up and leave just like that because the club got taken over...

Do you still support Man United **** or have you broken off all connections with the club.....because if you have stopped supporting Man Utd completely..then as I understand it, the last 40 or years of your life supporting Man United have been a waste of time, especially travelling to all of the matches because I cannot see how after all of that devotion you could just suddenly up and leave and forget about the club..
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Its not easy
Still class myself as A United fan still happy if they win and still get pissed off if they loose
Just like many other millions of United fans around the world and just watch them on TV
Just got fed up with high costs the way fans are treated And the likes of Glazer using fans just to try and line his pocket

I enjoy the freedom of watching FC live and United on tv two for the price of one and the best of both worlds
 

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The arguement about the two teams will always drag on and there will always be three camps involved.

1. Manchester United though and though, others do not exist.

2. FC United and their fans, breakaway team and fans who are going their own way.

3. People, like me, who will always support MUFC whatever our position but do not hold anything against FCUM and, in fact, hope they do well. TWO red teams in Manchester will really do the blues heads in - lovely!!

Its a fact that FCUM exist, and are doing very well - good luck to them but this is a continuous arguement that is going in circles and has no end.
 

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What a discussion huh :confused:

All good stuff......

Here's something though......

Love them or hate them.....

Believe them or not......

This is pretty impressive video here, lol......

Kind of backs up a lot of what Sal said actually.......

It goes on forever and ever the guys singing for FCUM here.....

There are little kids clapping and singing and dancing......

It is lovely to see these scenes here......

And I have a strange vision in my head here, lmao......

Check out the guy in the beige coloured coat that keeps being filmed.....

He seems to be the song leader out the front......

I have these strange vision of this being SAL :eek:

Sing Sal.....sing :p

The words they are singing.....

"We don't pay Glazer or work for Sky
We still sing 'City are gonna die'
Two United's but the soul is one
As the Busby Babes carry on"

 
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Cheers for posting that Carly, appreciate you taking the time to finds things out :)

Cannot see YouTube while working but from the song you posted i'm going to take a guess at the clip being from Maine Road v FCUM last season ( will be about 8 minutes long if so) att 4,000+, yes i was there and i've seen myself on that clip but it wont be me in the beige coat , LMAO, i've usually got a red and black coat. No-one really leads the singing everybody does it. You'll find a lot of the songs heard at FCUM games have double meanings sometimes, like this one.

I am an FC fan
I am Mancunian
I know what i want and i know how to get it
I wanna destroy
Glazer and sky
cos i
wanna be
an FC

Most would say it's saying they want to be FC United fans, but it's also having a dig about the words Football Club being taken from the badge and club name of Manchester United Football Club.

anyway here's a clip of the song and a couple of others ( also read some of the comments).
Wont post more as i'm not on here to promote, preach or convert anyone to FC United, just like to give facts to help people understand a bit better and maybe stop some of the myths going round.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=95Vns7WohBU I am an FC fan.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=05fno4frbF8 I am an FC fan again but from in the crowd at the same game at Halifax.

http://youtube.com/profile_videos?user=fcumpassion&p=r&page=2

and this one for the FC versions http://youtube.com/profile_videos?user=fcumpassion&p=r&page=3
 

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Just throwing my 2 cents out there...

I don't know anything about FC United, but after reading a few things I understand the general idea of who and what they are.

At any rate, what ever happened to the phrase "to each his own". No 2 people are alike, and therefore you can't have extremes in life when it comes to opinions - unless you want to single out one particular group of people (be it good or bad). There will always be someone that "doesn't care as much" or "is more devoted than", so why beat a dead horse about it?

Some people have made some good points here, but in the end, it's up to each and every one of us what our opinion is of the situation. You can argue facts and fictions until you're blue in the face, but at the end of the day, each people decides what their own opinion is and that's that. Yes, it's a good debate topic, but honestly it doesn't seem to be making progress - except maybe swaying opinions and bonds that we have within our forum family. I hate seeing a debate turn from the topic at hand, to turning personal. That's usually the sign that the debate is over :)
 

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Just throwing my 2 cents out there...

I don't know anything about FC United, but after reading a few things I understand the general idea of who and what they are.

At any rate, what ever happened to the phrase "to each his own". No 2 people are alike, and therefore you can't have extremes in life when it comes to opinions - unless you want to single out one particular group of people (be it good or bad). There will always be someone that "doesn't care as much" or "is more devoted than", so why beat a dead horse about it?

Some people have made some good points here, but in the end, it's up to each and every one of us what our opinion is of the situation. You can argue facts and fictions until you're blue in the face, but at the end of the day, each people decides what their own opinion is and that's that. Yes, it's a good debate topic, but honestly it doesn't seem to be making progress - except maybe swaying opinions and bonds that we have within our forum family. I hate seeing a debate turn from the topic at hand, to turning personal. That's usually the sign that the debate is over :)
wow!

i had visions of you typing that on your own in your room with the american national antham playing in the back ground on full blast.
 
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