I posted this on page 4 but you might have missed it....carlyluvsunited said:Sal someone asks on youtube what is the words to the song.....
I know this bit.......
"Iam an FC fan
I am Mancunian
I know what I want
And I know how to get it...........
What are all the right words please ?
I wish Ferguson had been openly hostile to the takeover, but I understand his position, as I do those who felt there was nothing wrong in continuing to go to OT. One of the reasons we have such division is because there is clearly no right or wrong in this!
I decided back at the end of 2003 that the Glazers were not right for United. Their questionable dealings, even with their own relatives were a little off-colour and then added to that the question of over Â£500m in debt was posed. During 2004 I came to the conclusion that I could not give money to the Glazers if they did take control. My choice alone. Not part of a grand boycotting scheme, just a simple feeling of something I needed to do.
When 12 May 2005 came around I cannot describe the sick feeling I felt when I heard the news. I went to the Chelsea game and stayed after a lot had left because Ole and Heinze were at the end of the players "lap of honour" and I knew it might be the last time I stood there for a good while.
When I left the ground, I expected to be leaving live football behind. FC came along and I decided I had nothing better to do and a load of other United fans seemed to have the same idea, so I got behind it. I liked the idea of something we could call ours, where no-one could come along and own it, or change it, or do things we didn't like.
I don't have great socialist principles, I have my own business and understand FC needs to cover its running costs and needs money to grow, particularly for its own ground. Some of the critics forget other clubs have a Â£30m head start on us because they own their own ground and the land it's built on. If we manage to stay shirt-sponsor free, I'll consider that worthwhile as long as we can afford a place of our own. Simply existing and having a home is enough for me. I don't want FC to clamber up the leagues towards the Premiership.
I often ask myself how I feel about United. What was it Churchill said about a riddle wrapped in an enigma? I don't watch United on TV. I jacked MUTV and Sky Sports back in 2005 and I don't go to pubs as I hardly drink now and have a youngster. I often listen to games on the radio and while I don't have the same intensity as I did, I still get a fierce rush of pride when United score, or I find out after a game that we've won. I watched the last ten minutes of Saturday's game and I felt bitter disappointment when we conceded the equaliser in stoppage time. I feel a bit like an outsider now, looking in. There may be an element of cutting off nose to spite face, but I feel comfortable with what I decided two years ago and now I'm like 99% of United fans, a non-matchgoing distant observer. I'm particularly disappointed at being branded a traitor, or a judas, but accept that if you see supporting United as following only the team on the field, anything else is treachery. Still, I hope one day we can all be United once again.
Sal (SALFORD RED) shows me videos of the FCUM games.kingstreet said:Carly, it's easy to see things only one way. Back in summer 2005 I couldn't understand how people could carry on going; how they could protest and stand up and speak out against the takeover then meekly wander in to watch the game. I guess we've all had to grow up a bit in the last two years - me included.
I'd like to think that in the longer term, youngsters from around Greater Manchester can start off watching the fans' team before moving on to OT to follow United when they can afford it. Believe me, they'll get an excellent education in the United matchday experience and it'll only cost them Â£2 per game with no credit card needed six weeks in advance!
"We work in the Manchester area with children and young people who have arrived unaccompanied in Britain to apply for asylum. They are placed into our care and we work with them until they are 21 years old.
"A few of the workers either attend FC United matches themselves or have partners that do. It's widely known that a giddy time is to be had following FC and we were aware that FC United have a project that allows children in care free entry to all home matches. As we worked with children in the care system we looked further into it.
"One of the social workers told us that her sons attend the matches and thoroughly enjoy the day, as does their dad. He works as a volunteer with the promotions group trying to promote FC to a wider audience. He put us in touch with Vinny Thompson who gave us a call in September 07. Once Vinny gets wind of a community project that's it, there's no going back.
"A few of the workers met up with Vinny and he suggested a training session at MANCAT with further projects to run in the future, such as banner making and getting them to come to the games.
"Our Department was very exited about this involvement as the young people are here alone living without parents, siblings and extended family. Many are coping with mental health problems due to isolation and traumatic events. We wanted to get them involved and give them something to look forward to at the weekend.
"We envisaged them coming to the home matches, getting a little gang together on the bus, learning the songs and so start to feel a sense of belonging to Manchester.
"Dozens of letters were sent out inviting them to the session. Many of the return phone calls to us were amusing as they thought they were being asked to play for FC United ,so were asking when the next home match was as they hadn't played for a while. Once I explained that it was a training session they told me they would love to still come. Two lads persuaded their social workers to buy them new trainersâ€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦.those lads will go far.
"On the afternoon of the training session we headed up to MANCAT to see who had turned up. We must admit that we were a bit worried Karl would be having a training session with one Leaving Care Worker, two Social Workers and a foster dad.
"We needn't have worried, 6 young people were there before we were. They were all kitted up eagerly awaiting the session. Twenty- seven turned up for the training and three came to watch, one had a gammy knee so couldn't play but had a keen interest in FC.
"Watching from the sidelines it was hard not to be moved by the enthusiasm of the lads. Most had not met before and were initially shy. We counted around 14 different languages spoken on that field that day. It's amazing to watch lads asking in Pushto for the ball to be passed from a lad that only speaks Arabic.
"Karl soon had them training well and co- operating with each other. One young 12 year old from Nigeria kept mithering Karl to remember him as he played for a youth team back home.
"One moment stands out for me though; one of the lads Ali, turned up in a short sleeved t-shirt and was shivering. Karl noticed this and took of his sweatshirt and gave it to him. Ali played in goal proudly wearing his FC top with the initials KM.
"The feedback from the lads who attended has been brilliant; they keep asking when the next session will be. They will also be invited to come along to the game on the 8th December which they are really looking forward to. We really appreciated Karl coming to work with them, especially since FC had a home game that evening. We hope to continue the work with Vinny and FC United and hope our young people begin to feel it is their club too."
So we need BPA to slip up tonight. A loss and we have a really good chance going into the final game. They draw tonight and we'd have a mountain of goal difference to climb. Curzon can win it, but they have two of the hardest games of the season to play this week.Remaining games;-
21 BPA v Ossett
22 Wakefield v Bamber Bridge
23 FCUM v Woodley, Newcastle BS v Curzon
24 Bamber Bridge v Ossett
26 Garforth v FCUM, Rossendale v BPA, Skelmersdale V Curzon, Clitheroe v Bamber Bridge
29/30 Play Off 1 - 2nd place v 5th place
29/30 Play Off 2 - 3rd place v 4th place
3/5 Play off final - Winner play off 1 v Winner play off 2
they are man united fans they are not mugs though they will not pay off a debt that shouldnt be there.carlyluvsunited said:Thats the FCUM agenda though......
I didn't mean for them to barge in through the front door and say "OK we take
I mean go and support another local team - within the community of Manchester
United area without all the hype and clap trap about "We hate Glazer - We are
from United.........blah, blah, blah"
They use the name of United and The Glazers to generate publicity !
They still cling to the coat tails of United because letting go would leave them as
just another Unibond Non-League club......
.......and they don't want that - they are too used to the fame and fortune !!!
With this 'fame' they have raised lots of money !!
So they have an unfair disadvantage in the league they now play in - they
just 'bully' teams out the way 5-0......6-0.....8-0......more glory - but all from the
use of Uniteds name !!
Clubs like Trafford Park.....very close to United ground I assume......have been in
existence for such a long time - struggling by as an amateur team......they were
more deserving of the support from these guys........but FCUM chose the 'glory'
They pay Bury 5,000 pounds a WEEK to use their ground !!!
Absolutely outrageous !!
Think of what good that could have done to a non-league club who actually
deserve the money to reward them for their years of struggle !!
I'm sorry but I'm entitled to an opinion as everyone else is - but for me this smells
very strongly of narcissism and self indulgence.......
When they move up a couple of leagues and the novelty has worn off......the
crowds shrink a bit.......the games become a 'challenge' instead of a walk
over........things will be oh so different and as has already happened they will all
come crawling back to Old Trafford expecting to be hailed as 'Heroes' of some
AG was given a hard time the other night for declaring.......
"I am Israeli born but I support Russia for this game........."
Well for FCUM read:
"I support Manchester United but for now I'll support FCUM".....
They have all made thier choices......and the choice was FCUM.......now it's time
they let go of United's coat tails and made a go of it alone......if they can !!