Great post though Rfr. I understand your views.RedForceRising said:I'm not sure how many of you have seen the pre-season games, but it was quite eye-opening to see the youngsters playing alongside Darren Fletcher.
Now granted it was pre-season, but for crying out loud, the youngsters looked as capable as Fletcher and in Possebon's case have better first touch and ball control.
A point raised by versa is that Fletcher raises his game according to the opposition and this is definitely true.
I dont think this is particularly true. He always puts the same effort into every game. Maybe its cos he plays so well against big teams that he gets this label and unjustly so. Not that thats a bad thing to be-a big match player. Thats why he is vital to our squad.But what's the point of having a squad player who does a good job three to four times a season and in the rest of the games he's called upon does a decent job at best? Cos he's a squad player. He isnt first 11 is Fletch. How many 'stars' would be happy with his role? Fletch never moans or gives out. He gets on with it by getting stuck in. He never lets the team down. Never
There's no point. In all the years of watching Fletcher, he has only managed to improve marginally and I'm certain he wouldn't have been this long at UNited if he weren't one of Fergie's faves. Fair point again. Its hard to argue with these points to be honest. Im in the 'Keep Fletch' camp but you do raise some valid criticisms. Your post nearly had me convinced lol but Fletch has earned the right to be in the United squad. He's a fighter who we should appreciate more, especially when you have ****s like Ronaldo *****ing about the place.
John O'Shea always gives you a 7/10 performance, whether he's playing Roma or Derby. The same cannot be said of Fletcher. With Flethcer it can be 8/10 against Roma and the 6/10 or 5/10 against West Ham.
hmmm I see the point you are trying to make but Fletch had a fair few 9's last season, as well as 8,7,6's. Id say he is consistent enough. Same level of consisency as the rest of the midfielders. All of them had lulls in form at some point. Every last one of them. So we need to allow for the odd '6' I think.
I like his character and personality, but contrary to what a few people are claiming he is NOT a good squad player, because of the point I've highlighted above. Perhaps he's a decent squad player.
Im glad you can appreciate some of his qualities but maybe you arent giving him his just rewards? Performances like against Arsenal were out of this world, Bryan Robson like even.
Before you start getting out your knives, consider this: Cast a glance at Chelsea. Check out their squad and their squad players. Would Darren Fletcher have a place in that squad?!?!
The answer is no.
I actually agree with you here. Mainly cos Chelsea have an obscene amount of quality midfielders He would stroll into Pool or Arse's squad though.
And Chelsea are our biggest rivals and we have to stay ahead of them. I truly believe that the current youngsters like Possebon and Eagles can be better than Fletcher if given the chance.
Possebon I agree with ya there, but not Eagles. He is 22/23 and still not ready. He may score the odd goal in friendlies (and score some crackers in the reserves) but he gives the ball away FAR too much and hasnt taken his chances at all. Not United material imo.
At the most, I'd keep Fletcher for one more season to have decent cover while the youngsters cut their teeth, BUT I would have no qualms if we sold him for a decent sum.
Now your talking I hope he sticks around for at least another season or 2 but as you said the young lads are getting ready. Anderson and Possebon will be ahead of him shortly, if not already.....
No qualms whatsoever.
Just saw this after... great post, great reasoning.abcdef said:Fletcher should stay as long as he wants to because he is a good squad player who always gives his best and will play wherever the gaffer tells him. Hes got Rooneys attitude, albeit with less anger.
His footballing ability is not enough though. I never feel he has the talents to win us a game. If we need someone to step up, it can never be Fletcher. He owes it to himself to seek first team football for his careers sake, but only if that is what he wishes.
Most players leave big clubs to seek regular football because they aim for international football etc, but Fletch is Scotland captain already. He plays a good amount of games per season and is a cog in a very good footballing machine.
If he is happy being part of our squad and can accept he will never be under the column "matchwinners", then long may he stay and do the job Sir Alex keeps him to do.
Fletcher will never and has never been a matchwinner.abcdef said:I never feel he has the talents to win us a game. If we need someone to step up, it can never be Fletcher.
Whats the obsession with everyone saying Fletcher is Scotland captain? Its not just ^ but a couple of people.abcdef said:but Fletch is Scotland captain already.
RFR just read my mind exact word for word!RedForceRising said:I, on the other hand, hope he goes.
- He will get regular first team football
- He is not united quality
- His departure will open a spot for a youngster to fill
- We could use the money from his departure to help fund our bid for a top striker... not that we desperately need the money.... but it would help
- He is a loyal player, who loves United, but even with all his improvement, he is still just a mediocre player
rank him then in order of getting a game for our current midfielders.Cappy said:What the hell is with some of you? Its not football manager As long as Fletch is happy with his role as a squad player we should hold onto him. Our stars are not going to play every match, and you have to have some quality back-up players to fill in. Think the Arsenal game should he was capable.
However if he wants regular action, then sell him.