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Interestingly, when he first stormed the football scene, he did not work as hard as he is doing now, coming back deep into our half to collect the ball and start things. Ironically, I thought he was more effective as a forward then.
My point exactly. He had Ruud to hold up the ball back then too. Once we get that out-and-out goalscorer (maybe I should say "if" :mad: ) I think he'll revert back to his old ways and get us 20-30 a year, depending on how much he plays.
 

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Cool it mate. Nobody is judging him or slagging him in this forum. Even Fergie and Capello have openly acknowledged and wondered aloud how to best utilise him. This is just a forum for us fans to chip in our 2 cents' worth. Just leaving him alone to his own device does not serve any purpose in a forum.
No i agree with you, i just think the guy is one game into the season and people are making it out like he has had a stinker already. Give him a few games before we start making something big over nothing.

Last season many people said we needed a striker, it would haunt us when the going gets tough, it would cost us in our challenge etc but we are european and english champs. I just think people are overreacting.
 

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Can't wait to see Rooney back in action with Tevez :)
their partnership is going to be remembered for many ages to come :D
 

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Obviously he knows better than anyone how long his fitness can hold up, so negotiate. Tell him he can run 10k per match, as long as he promises a better goal ratio than last season. If its slipping, he focuses more on scoring, if it's on par or higher, let him play Mr. Lawnmower Man
 

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No i agree with you, i just think the guy is one game into the season and people are making it out like he has had a stinker already. Give him a few games before we start making something big over nothing.

Last season many people said we needed a striker, it would haunt us when the going gets tough, it would cost us in our challenge etc but we are european and english champs. I just think people are overreacting.
Know what you are trying to say mate.

But I think the concern over Rooney's effectiveness as a foward, which is his primary role anyway, does not just come about from Newcastle game. Think it has been for a pretty long while now, be it for England or for United. And it must be of concern long enough for both Fergie and Capello to voice out their concerns and to wonder aloud how best to utilise him.

Maybe he really tries too hard to do too much.

Maybe he had too many disruptions due to unwanted injuries.

Maybe he really needs a main striker to play off from, which was clearly lacking last season because Tevez is too similar to him.

Maybe as one article posted in this thread, he is not a central striker afterall?! Think Harry Redknapp recently even suggested he plays on the wing!

This is what we are supposed to discuss here: how would Rooney be more effective as a forward for us.

True, no doubt we ended up as double champions last season. However, it is easy to forget that it is also largely due to the unexpected scoring record of Ronaldo, a 42-goal feat as a winger that everybody knows is unlikey to be repeated. Minus a few goals from an outperformance could have easily meant a few points dropped and the EPL title lost, given that we only clinched the title in the last game by 2 points and were also not too far ahead of third-placed Arsenal by 4 points.

This must be one of the strong reasons why we really need an outright striker to complement Rooney and Tevez. Not forgetting too that the entire forward line could only score as many as one winger! And in this case, how best to utilise Rooney to contribute towards this cause.
 

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Last season, Rooney was average. I don't think anyone can argue otherwise.

But his season was interupted with injuries, and when he started coming on top form, he was struck down again.

But in my mind, there is no doubt that when hes on top form, hes one of the best. And there is also no doubt in my mind that Rooney plays best in behind a front man.

I also think that Rooney plays better with a pacey front man. I think that once he and Saha hit top form together, they were outstanding. However, Saha's injury jinx struck again that time.

I think, as someone said, the expectations that Rooney finds himself under are his achilles heel. No matter what he does, hes scrutinise to an unbelievable extent. And really, with Ronaldo playing so well, Rooney was scrutinised further. With Ronaldo playing so well, outside sources were discussing why Rooney was in the shadow to a certain extent.

But this season, I think that if Rooney stays injury free, it WILL be his season. And with Ronaldo probably not going to hit form until December(ish), Rooney has the opportunity to take certain stage.
 

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Don't Work So Hard, Wayne

Every sensible Manchester United fan knows how important Wayne Rooney is to our cause even though he rarely dribbles the length of the pitch and scores relatively few goals. We know he's one of the most important players of the squad and that his performances of last season were not below-par, only different to what people have expected of him.

However, he's come under fire for his England performances where the quality of his teammates is nowhere near to that of United and where he's expected to be the main attacking weapon. And with Ronaldo out until October (or November, reports are a bit confusing) it's time for Wayne to change his game a little and turn into a finisher from provider.

Sir Alex has also told him what is the problem with his game.

"If he is prepared to listen, he will stop galloping all over the pitch and will realise that although he has got a selfless nature about him he wants to be regarded as a goalscorer.

"He doesn`t want to stop being a team player but he has to be involved in more goals.

"He needs to concentrate on being around the edge of the box more but there is always a cross to bear when you have the reputation of being Wayne Rooney."

Which is true. Quite simply we have enough defensive players, we have enough great midfielders to do the tackling, to cover the field. Rooney should concentrate his energy to the attack - where we were lacking against Newcastle.

In the long term, if Berbatov indeed signs for us, when Ronaldo returns and Tevez will also be on the team, Rooney can revert to his favourite role: galloping all over the field and doing everything. It won't satisfy the England fans and pundits but who cares?

Rooney certainly doesn't.

"Maybe I could be more *selfish but I will never change.

"I`ve always said I`m a team player. I`m not concerned about what people are saying. Everyone was talking about me scoring more goals but we won the Premier League and the Champions League last season, so if that happens again I would be delighted.'

Therefore, logically, Rooney has no objections to signing another forward - that would mean he'd have to spearhead the attack on fewer occasions and would have more freedom to roam. That's what he craves it seems.

'There would be an extra burden if we did not sign another striker,' said Rooney.

'Carlos likes to drop behind a main striker, which is probably his best position, so maybe I would have to stay up a bit more. I would have no problem with that.

'But hopefully we can bring another forward in to strengthen the team. It would allow us to spread the matches out and make changes for certain games.

And allow you, Wayne, to work your socks off all over the pitch. In the meantime, though, work a bit less hard, stay up front and wait for your chances. They will come and you've got to put them away.
 

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Look it's like this down through the years United have always had a player with great ability but a bit short in the temper department . I love players like Rooney because what you see is what you get . He has massive heart and you will never see him shy away from anything on a pitch.
Nobby Stiles, Remi Moses , Bryan Robson , Mark Hughes , Norman Whiteside , Roy Keane and of course King Eric all had that wild side to their play but i would never had dropped any one of them . We need a balance in our team , thats what makes us the best . You need flair and pure determination to play for United .
Every team needs someone who is prepared to get stuck in .
 

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Look it's like this down through the years United have always had a player with great ability but a bit short in the temper department . I love players like Rooney because what you see is what you get . He has massive heart and you will never see him shy away from anything on a pitch.
Nobby Stiles, Remi Moses , Bryan Robson , Mark Hughes , Norman Whiteside , Roy Keane and of course King Eric all had that wild side to their play but i would never had dropped any one of them . We need a balance in our team , thats what makes us the best . You need flair and pure determination to play for United .
Every team needs someone who is prepared to get stuck in .
Wow, very well said. Makes us realise how lucky we are to have Wayne.
great post Dublin red
 

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I think Wayne's form last season is very underrated because of his appaling finishing. I thought he was one of our most important players and was at the centre of nearly all of our attacks.
The fact that we never lost with him on the pitch also backs that up.
If he can just improve his finishing then he would fulfil his potential of being the best player in the world.
 

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dublin red said:
Look it's like this down through the years United have always had a player with great ability but a bit short in the temper department . I love players like Rooney because what you see is what you get . He has massive heart and you will never see him shy away from anything on a pitch.
Nobby Stiles, Remi Moses , Bryan Robson , Mark Hughes , Norman Whiteside , Roy Keane and of course King Eric all had that wild side to their play but i would never had dropped any one of them . We need a balance in our team , thats what makes us the best . You need flair and pure determination to play for United .
Every team needs someone who is prepared to get stuck in .
^thaqt's very true and I think that's one of the reason Fergie splashed the cash for him. Players like Rooney don't come by often. Well, perhaprs the tamper, but not the temper bundled with THAT kind of ability.

However, Wayne is supposed to be a striker. Whether you want to call him a supporting striker or a second striker etc. he is a striker and as such, his finishing needs improving. Simple as.

I love him too. He belongs to my fave players along with Vidic, Evra, Giggs and Scholes, but he needs to put away those gilt-edge chances or we could get punished ESPECIALLY this season.
 

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I think Wayne's form last season is very underrated because of his appaling finishing. I thought he was one of our most important players and was at the centre of nearly all of our attacks.
The fact that we never lost with him on the pitch also backs that up.
If he can just improve his finishing then he would fulfil his potential of being the best player in the world.
^ We did lose to Chelsea in the league and Portsmouth in the FA Cup with him in the team. Was playing whilst being injured against CHel$ki though.

When he finds his scoring boots he will be nominated for player of the year. I'm deadly serious. Pele talks about him in glowing terms and this is not just lip service, but the fact is he plays as a forward, so he should be banging 'em in.
 

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TheManc said:
I think Wayne's form last season is very underrated because of his appaling finishing. I thought he was one of our most important players and was at the centre of nearly all of our attacks.
The fact that we never lost with him on the pitch also backs that up.
If he can just improve his finishing then he would fulfil his potential of being the best player in the world.
I think we lost with him once last season in the FA Cup against Portsmouth.
 
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