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Ryan Giggs is set to make his 750th United appearance on Sunday against Middlesbrough, but passing Sir Bobby Charlton's club record milestone will have to be shelved until next season.The 34-year-old will have to have an ever-present end to the campaign to equal Charlton's 759 appearances.

If the Welshman plays in the remaining six Premier League matches and in the possible four European outings, then the Champions League final in Moscow would be a fitting occasion to rub shoulders with Sir Bobby as the No 1.He would then become the outright club record appearance holder next term.

Sir Alex Ferguson's rotation policy and campaign plan to keep Giggs fresh, means the possibility of that Russian landmark is as likely as a Cristiano Ronaldo goal famine.Having missed out on an extra match to add to his stats in Italy on Tuesday night against Roma, all personal career accolades are on the back burner.

"I think that has definitely proved right this season. I have had no injuries, played a lot of games and felt good.

"That was my aim at the start of the season so I am happy I took the decision to retire with Wales. It was a tough decision. I loved playing for my country but there were young players coming through and it was the right time to make the decision.

Thanks Giggsey......
 

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I have to add , he's a great leader and an inspirational player. I know he has done Manchester proud
 

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futbol said:
I have to add , he's a great leader and an inspirational player. I know he has done Manchester proud
I disagree on one point.

He is inspirational, yes, he's served United proud, yes, but a good leader?

He's crap at being captain in the vocal sense, such as Rio would be a fantastic leader on the pitch.

Giggsy shows by example how to play.
 

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Agree partially , Giggs is not vocal but leads by example..... Inspires others and motivates them . Yeah he'snot a vocal leader. Rio is one. Good at organization
 

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I disagree on one point.

He is inspirational, yes, he's served United proud, yes, but a good leader?

He's crap at being captain in the vocal sense, such as Rio would be a fantastic leader on the pitch.

Giggsy shows by example how to play.
Sorry, but I have to vehemently disagree with your 'crap' comment! How do you know this? Are you there for team talks, or when he discusses decisions with the referee? Not all great leaders and captains yell, scream and gesticulate all over the place. Look at william gallas, he does all that, and I would call him crap!

I, for one, am happy we have a leader and an interim captain with a laid back style.
 

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Some captains are vocal, some arent..... Captains have different style. But whatever be his style , giggsey motivates the team. Its visible on Tv ..... Whatever it may be he has served our club well
 

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Sorry, but I have to vehemently disagree with your 'crap' comment! How do you know this? Are you there for team talks, or when he discusses decisions with the referee? Not all great leaders and captains yell, scream and gesticulate all over the place. Look at william gallas, he does all that, and I would call him crap!

I, for one, am happy we have a leader and an interim captain with a laid back style.
Look at Rio Ferdinand.

Ideal United captain.

If someone messes up, he's right at them. Earlier on this season, (could be last season) van der Sar was having an awaful game, and Rio was screaming at him when they got together, but instead of arguing back VDS took it on board and they shook hands.

He helps Simpson in the few games in which they've been playing alongside together.

Giggsy is a phenomenal player, up there with the best ever at Manchester United, but for me, he shouldn't be captain. He leads by example, like futbol concured, but we need a presence on the pitch who can be captain.

Roy Keane, for example.
 

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Shephen,

Good points.

I have played sports at a fairly high level (perhaps you have as well) - mostly hockey, and I have found that the leaders/captains who are in your face and scream at you all the time, especially when you make mistakes, become useless after a while. You simply start to ignore them.

I much preferred those captains who commanded a presence with their performances, and would just say a quiet word or two, mostly of a positive nature, or give you a look when you screwed up.

Again, I give you gallas as the 'poster boy' for bad captains.

It's just my opinion and preference tho...:eek:
 

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Look at Rio Ferdinand.

Ideal United captain.

If someone messes up, he's right at them. Earlier on this season, (could be last season) van der Sar was having an awaful game, and Rio was screaming at him when they got together, but instead of arguing back VDS took it on board and they shook hands.

He helps Simpson in the few games in which they've been playing alongside together.

Giggsy is a phenomenal player, up there with the best ever at Manchester United, but for me, he shouldn't be captain. He leads by example, like futbol concured, but we need a presence on the pitch who can be captain.

Roy Keane, for example.
so u like captains who shout at the faces of his teammates..;)
then i suppose gazza is not such a good captain also.:p
 

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i would agree that giggs isnt good at captain. he leads through his performance and inspirational. but for me, manunited needs a captain who is more vocal and willing to scream in the players face when they are not performing. ferdinand would be my choice, even if neville returns, i would choose to retain ferdinand's services as united captain. neville is far too quiet, except probably when he chose to kiss his badge in front of loserfool(sorry, liverpool) fans after manunited scored last season.

rooney would be a perfect candidate after ferdinand, even though he's still young. but look how much impact he has had.
 

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As a fan of united ive witnessed many a great player and many a superstar but in ryan giggs we have not only a great pro a superstar footballer but also a good man who does loads for charitey and is great with fans home and away . He is a huge clubman who will be with the club im sure to his last days . It has been a pleasure to witness him in the flesh on many a game so well done ryan i cant wait till you break the record and become the all time record apperence player .
 

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ryan giggs 750 not out

this has been posted by carly in news room but what better subject for discussion as well ? please delete and repost here yourself carly :)

ryan giggs is getting ready to make his 750th United
appearance on Sunday against Middlesbrough.

Breaking Sir Bobby Charlton's record of 759 games will
have to wait until next season though, sadly for Giggsy.

He will have to have an ever-present end to the
campaign to equal Charlton's 759 appearances.

Sir Alex Ferguson's rotation policy and campaign plan
to keep Giggs fresh, means this is unlikely.

Having missed out on an extra match to add to his stats
in Italy on Tuesday night against Roma, all personal
career accolades are on the back burner.

But Giggs - as always being professional said:

"I was shattered at the end of last season but it could
be too much the opposite this time, I am struggling to get
games now!" Giggs told the Manchester Evening News.

"But we were crying out for this situation last season so
we are not going to moan about it now, and neither am I.

"There is now a fight for places and that is how you want it.

"If somebody is playing better than you in your position,
that is the challenge you face.

"It is a task you have to get on with. You wouldn't swap it
for the world."

ryan has just gone quietly about picking up a record haul of medals . we do not see him complaining in the press and he is a shining example to all players .

i believe he is taking his coaching badges and the club are due to offer him a role similar to oles on retirement .

if this is true it can only be great for utd future -- liverpool built on shankly legacy thru bootroom of ex players and club men and if we emulate this the future is bright .

ryan giggs i salute you . i also doubt i will see a goal in such a big game like that fa cup semi winner again .
 

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haggler said:
this has been posted by carly in news room but what better subject for discussion as well ? please delete and repost here yourself carly :)
It's OK - we can leave this one here ... :)

It will be good to hear others views actually
we recently had a discussion asking whether
we thought he deserved this record ... so now
we can decide if he will - or will not - break
the record ... :confused:
 

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I am pretty sure Giggs will beat the record of Bobby Charlton. And it is to his great credit that he has stayed a one-club man in this modern era where money talks louder than the heartbeat. For that same reason, I doubt there will ever be any one else who will even come close to it.

He is a legend no doubt but will never be a good captain even as he leads by example. A good captain, in my opinion, is one who not only just leads by example but one who has that certain charisma and impact on the team to motivate, galvanise, inspire and drive his team mates forward even when the chips are down; consistently. Nope, unfortunately he does not have that.

No matter. Nonetheless, I will never forget his faithfulness and loyalty. And that wonder goal in a FA Cup Semi Final will always remain with me.
 

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750 games is just an incredible achievement.
Just 9 off Sir Bobbys which he will pass next season.
Congrats Giggsy on a great career.
Lets hope his experience counts for something at the end of the season.
 

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United Fans Want Giggs Dropped

Source: Jimmy James, Goal.com

Ryan Giggs made his 750th appearance for Manchester United at the weekend, but that hasn't stopped growing numbers of Red Devils fans calling for Sir Alex Ferguson to drop the Welshman

Giggs has delivered a string of poor performances in recent times, with some United fans failing to see what the 34-year-old brings to the side nowadays.

The career-long United servant is only nine games off equalling Bobby Charlton's all-time record for Manchester United appearances, but among sections of the fanbase at least it appears there is little room for sentiment.

Past His Best?

“Can you possibly tell me why Ryan Giggs keeps getting the sympathy vote? He was woeful today," said one caller to a phone-in show on United's own TV channel, MUTV.

Another said: “I do not see what Ryan Giggs brings to the side at the moment. He has been a great servant and got some fantastic goals. But at the moment he’s not worth playing. He’s no threat.”

Fergie Frustrated

Sir Alex Ferguson himself was unhappy with Giggs on Sunday as he failed to latch onto a great through-ball from Park Ji-Sung late in the game at Middlesbrough, which ended 2-2 and saw United's lead at the top cut to just three points.

Indeed, Fergie's recent team selections suggest he is reluctant to play the winger in many big names now, hence his exclusion from the XI that won in Rome last week.





O...k........ here we go again.. My stand remains the same on this.
 
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