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i was starting to think twice about the long term futures of these two at the beginning of the season. so glad i didn't say much about it. they have been used sparingly, and that has been to their advantage. they have really pulled a few performances out the top drawer when we need them, and have surely shown gibson, possebon, tosic and any others vying for their position that they have a long way to go. with the vision and control they have, the mental speed starts to become more important that pace. long may the oldies continue