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Found this whilst trawling through the net,thought it would make for good debate:

Arsenal have William Gallas, a player who agitated for a move away from Stamford Bridge on a contract dispute, was at Arsenal for only an year before he was made captain, has spent less time at Arsenal than most players at the club, is inspirational and temperamental, and has a habit of talking to the press (and criticises his teammates).

Liverpool have Steven Gerrard, a home-grown player, a leader on the pitch and off it, and most importantly, someone who commands the respect of the squad and manager.

Chelsea have John Terry, as home-grown a player as Chelsea are going to get, a leader and much respected by teammates and coaching staff.

Manchester United have Gary Neville, United boy for life and a capable leader. In his absence the standard-bearers have been Ryan Giggs (another home boy and well-respected) and Rio Ferdinand, the de facto captain, a leader on the pitch, a senior member of the squad and determined to see his career out at the club after having spent 5 years at Old Trafford.

Notice the difference?

Now the interesting thing here is the link between man-management in a business and man-management in a club. In both cases you have personality clashes, the drive to work as a team, egos, respect issues, people coming and leaving, leaders and star performers. In both cases, the owner / manager must know everything there is to know about the squad - (preparation can help but ultimately Benitez has a better understanding of Liverpool's squad and capabilities than Scolari has of Chelsea's) - Ferguson's statement that the manager was the most important man at the club is spot on.

Similarly, if you are appointing leaders within your organisation, the man from within has a substantial advantage in terms of knowing his peers, of knowing how things work in the organisation and being in sync with the organisation's mindset and philosophy. All else being equal, promoting from within is a more effective solution than promoting someone who is an outsider (relatively speaking).

In Gallas - and we said this last summer as well - Wenger made an outsider the leader when there was a suitable candidate within the club - Kolo Toure. Not selecting Silva or Lehmann was understandable - neither were expected to be long-term fixtures at Arsenal. Henry's departure meant that Arsenal needed a fresh start, and as one of the senior members of the Gunners‘ side (in terms of stature, experience and time spent at the club), Toure was the ideal person to take over the captaincy.

The one thing Toure lacked in comparison to Gallas was experience. And as I said last year, the decision was probably motivated by the desire to raise Billy's game to a higher level by building the defence around him.

Whether it raised his game and saved Arsenal more points than he cost them is debatable and those who have followed Arsenal more closely than I have will be able to answer this better. The question I'm more interested in is - does the choice of captain influence a club's form in any way and can it have enough of an impact to decide a closely-contested title race?

Going back to the comparison between businesses and clubs, as a leader Gallas faced several challenges. Some of those were impossible to cater for, such as the refereeing decisions that led to Arsenal's exit from the Champions League. Others required a strong team spirit, mental fortitude from the players and a leader / manager who could drag his players kicking and screaming through the bad times so that they could come out the other end fighting.

As captain and leader, Gallas shoulders some responsibility for both Arsenal's successes and failures. He bailed Arsenal out on several occasions with his defending and contributed with goals as well. On the other hand, he failed as a leader in gelling the squad together when they needed to play like a team and he failed in leading by example by complaining about the unfairness of Arsenal's situation instead of fighting for Arsenal's chances in the league while they still had the lead.

Could a different choice of captains have changed history? Not as much as getting refereeing decisions right (which see Everton qualify for the Champions League ahead of Liverpool) but in the context of the title race and how close it was right till the end, would a captain who was better at building team spirit and a more durable character under pressure than William Gallas have changed history for Arsenal and the Premier League?

Can the choice of captain influence a title race?

http://soccerlens.com/does-captaincy-decide-the-title-race/8253/
 

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They make a huge difference IMO...

...take the top 4


Arsenal; Gallas gave up on his team at Birmingham
Chelsea; Their defence is a shambles without Terry
Liverpool; Gerrard virtually carries his team...
Man Utd; Rio played like a leader last year


A captain needs to be mentally stronger then the others and also put in performances
on the pitch. They rally the troops on the field and in a way, they are the onfield
manager. I was captain of my own team for two years, and always felt like my mates
were always seeking my advice.

I always believed that captains should be a central figure. If they are at the back, they
can see exactly what is going on. For me, Rio was an awesome stand in captain for
Neville. Giggsy was good too, but as a leader, Rio wins out IMO...

...One thing aboy Rio that I really admire is that when he was done for missing that
drugs test, (Got, he had blonde hair back then :rolleyes:) he sat aside and his loyalties
kept him at the club and he's moved on to bigger and better things. I know many
United fans who were out raged that he missed the test and wanted him gone.
They're awfully quiet now...

...despite my theory about captains playing in a defensive role, I'm fairly sure that
Uniteds next captain will be Wayne. I don't understand managers who don't think the
captains role is important..

...so to answer your question, I think they are vital to the teams morale and overall
attitude..



I can't wait to see Gary back for us and leading us out...
 

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Gallas could be one of the worst choices for Captain I've ever seen, especially with Kolo Toure around.

I don't always, hardly ever, in fact, see eye to eye with John Terry but he's one heck of a forceful personality and a good choice for Captain.

Personally I don't see Rio as captain material. He's an awesome defender. He's got the skill and the know how to be captain. He can do the job.

What he lacks is the charisma and charm a captain must exude. I can see Rooney as a captain, though.

As for Gerrard he's another one of those personalities. He's got it, whatever it is.
 

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One of the greatest captains ever was Roy Keane no matter what the situation he always lead his team, sometimes dragged them and said what had to be said he didnt care if u liked him or not once the team got the win a leader and great player he was the ultimate captain in my opinion
 

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Boomhauer50 said:
One of the greatest captains ever was Roy Keane no matter what the situation he always lead his team, sometimes dragged them and said what had to be said he didnt care if u liked him or not once the team got the win a leader and great player he was the ultimate captain in my opinion
Well said. Keane was the greatest captain of all time. It makes a huge
difference as we saw with baby Gallas and Arsenal last year.
Whether we have Nev, Giggs or Rio we KNOW we are in safe hands.
 

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To quote Wes Brown from the 05/06 Season Review DVD:

"If you weren't playing well then Keano would make you play well"

Thats what a proper captain does. Imagine if it was Gallas who got booked in a Semi final and was gonna miss the final - I don't think he'd be mentally strong enough to do what Keane did that night.
 

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yea if gallas got booked in that semi he would def cry like a baby, ah but then again theirs only 1 Roy Keane. I think that Rooney some day could make a good captain he seems to be vocal enough with the rest of the team and always puts in the hard work plus his bit of aggression and never say die temperament is a good captain quality.
 

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First time poster and i agree that the captan has a big influence in each game and season, every team needs that leader on the pitch.... the roy keane, patrick viera, gerrard and so on!! other players around them see them giving it there all and winning been the main objective. All of these players did the simple things when needed and stood out when things are going good. notice when utd had keane as captan when the team were playing well he let them flow and kinda stood back and when we needed grit he was there to show the youngings how its done.... ANDERSON for future captan LOL:)
 

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Yes vidic would be a good captan, he is a man mountain. One of the strongest defenders in the prem!!! Rooney would be a great captan but i dont like strikers as captan.
 

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First time poster and i agree that the captan has a big influence in each game and season, every team needs that leader on the pitch.... the roy keane, patrick viera, gerrard and so on!! other players around them see them giving it there all and winning been the main objective. All of these players did the simple things when needed and stood out when things are going good. notice when utd had keane as captan when the team were playing well he let them flow and kinda stood back and when we needed grit he was there to show the youngings how its done.... ANDERSON for future captan LOL:)
Hey and welcome to the forum. Feel free to make an introductory thread in
new members section.
You make some good points above.
Not sure about Anderson as future captain. That will be Rio for years to come. ;)
 

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Jazz 16 said:
Hey and welcome to the forum. Feel free to make an introductory thread in
new members section.
You make some good points above.
Not sure about Anderson as future captain. That will be Rio for years to come. ;)
Mate, Rio is already 30 in 3 months, so I don't know for how many years to come.

Dean555 said:
This how a captain can really influence his club title chances.
LMFAO that's the funniest pic I've seen yet.
 

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Boomhauer50 said:
One of the greatest captains ever was Roy Keane no matter what the situation he always lead his team, sometimes dragged them and said what had to be said he didnt care if u liked him or not once the team got the win a leader and great player he was the ultimate captain in my opinion
Download the "World Soccer Daily" podcast off of iTunes for the date of July 21, Robbie Earle is in the studio and he gives a great bit on why Roy was such a great captain at some point during the show.
 

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Mate, Rio is already 30 in 3 months, so I don't know for how many years to come.

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No reason he cant play until his mid to late 30's. He is that kind of player.
He is also very fit and still very fast. When he starts to slow in 5+ years time,
he will still be a fantastic reader of the game and 5 years more experienced.
Scary thing is that he still hasnt peaked and he is already the best in Europe.
 

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Jazz 16 said:
No reason he cant play until his mid to late 30's. He is that kind of player.
He is also very fit and still very fast. When he starts to slow in 5+ years time,
he will still be a fantastic reader of the game and 5 years more experienced.
Scary thing is that he still hasnt peaked and he is already the best in Europe.
I hope you're right.
 
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