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i know he's a false moralist, double standard scum, but after seeing some of his movements, defensive displays,attacking options i think that certainly he's the best cmf in the world and i believe he is amoung the best midfielders england have ever produced....



i mean what he's done with liverpool equals maradona's achivements with napoli....


steven and 10 lumberjacks won the CL...


he is a possible goal danger even when he receives the ball around the centre circle...i see that abilty only in 3 more players at this moment...ronaldo,messi and torres....

i know scholes has had his moments and achivements but even without him we are and were good enough to win the CL


btw - i have to say that i actually haven't seen the likes of charlton and co playing , but i think that the fact that football has evolved and that now includes more options as there are many quality players out there, and the fact that gerrard tops them all is enough for him to be considered amoung the best ever
 

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VaVaVoom said:
CROoney....... you have officially lost it!!
Only 2months ago he was been tipped to be dropped from the England starting 11.

by whom ?



also redondo was dropped from argie squad back in 98 but that doesn't stop him to be considered one of the best dmf's ever...


and cantona was also dropped...so was effenberg, anelka,fat ronaldo,ronaldinho - lots of 'em were dropped


why is this so strange - he would be the first choice midfielder in ANY European club...that's a fact
 

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abojodeh said:
Bryan Robosn was a more complete player and more wanted by most of European clubs
Juve were dieing for him

even Fat Frank Lampard is better than him overall
lol - frank's great but steven - i'm affraid when he has the ball in his own half....


and believe me - the entire europe would love to have him, but are not dieing for him because they know they can't afford him
 

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VaVaVoom said:
CROoney come on, he was gonna be dropped him for Barry and Lampard!
Cantona was a Utd legend but never our greatest ever player. and how is Anelka the best ever or Effenberg for that matter...... you gone way off topic here-- your saying Gerrard is the best England ever produced-- IMO not a chance and we will see by other members reactions:D
I hate getting into stuff with you because you never know when to quit!:cool:
lol - i didn't say cantona or effenberg were the greatest i was simply implying that at the time they were amoung the best their country had...and still were dropped


is it really funny asking is gerrard the best or should i say the most complete midfielder england has ever had... well if he's the most complete at the moment and lots of unbiased fans will agree - then he has to be up there with the best


is he the best or not - i left for you guys to pick - i've already said i didn't follow history that much, but it seems to be that he deserves to be amung the best ever


especially for what he's done with liverpool in europe...he's a big game player - always there to drag the team forward, he inspires fringe players and improves the team simply by being on the teamsheet


and i know when to quit - it's quite simple - when i'm proved wrong - and i'm not so firm on this one -


to tell you the truth -i'm not so sure what to think on this one - i was hoping you GUYS WOULD HELP ME SO THE TITLE OF THE THREAD IS A QUESTION...


but to say that he was gonna get dropped is a tribal football really....insinuations
 

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ryders - surely most managers would agree that he is the most complete midfielder in the world...


and the fact that he needs a dmf to paly alongside him doesn't tell anything about his possibilities ...cos every team needs a quality dmf...it doesn't depend on your playmaker


look at cesc without flamini

oh and - what do you mean by this "Secondly when robsonn and charlton both united players and both better mids than gerrard are missed out by a united fans "


didn't understand that
 

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vava - for starters - read my post to you on the previous page ---


if you have - i think you have some issues with understanding people mate


i'm not trying to prove anything and i don't like repeating myself

ryders - de rossi and hargo more complete ?

wow ! and i thought you were unbiased - hargo is a great player , but c'mon you can't be serious - gerrard is on another level


and de rossi - i'm not going into that - he has never controlled their midfield against us


and i'll say only this - it has more worth his CL trophy then winning the WC with England, cos with liverpool he had only 10 lumberjakcs back then

FOR THE LAST TIME - I'M NOT TRYING TO PROVE ANYTHING ,BUT I AM TO BLAME FOR ACTUALLY THINKING THAT I MIGHT FIND SOME UNBIASNESS ON HERE...

My bad folks - just forget about the thread - i got my anwer

cheers
 

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rydersonthestorm said:
do you even know what complete means crooney or have you got the wrong word, it means good at all aspects of the game. Hargo, de rossi and essien are all more complete layers than gerrard, i didn't say they where all better than him. The players i mentioned can do well at everything where as gerrard excels in certain areas but not in all, i think you need to find out what the words mens before makign such big statements.
To be honest your one of the most biased posters and to acuse me of being biased is one of the stupidest things i have heard, any longer poster with any sense would know that i will give a realistic opinion of players and will argue at length with numerous bias united fans over united legends from cantona to best.
the most complete - hmmm


let's see - taking free kicks - who's scored more free kicks....


headers - who's scored more headers


playmaking - who's a better playmaker


passing - who's the better passer



vision - who's got the better vision



crossing - who has more assists from crosses



playing with both feet - i think gerrards better


tackleing and defending - i'll give them a slight edge overthere, but that's because they're only dmf's not cmf's,,and de rossi can play only as a dmf...ONLY , while gerrard and hargo can produce great performances on any postion


do you know that liverpool had the best record of wins 2 seasons ago i think when he was played as a RMF


oh and - how is that i'm biased...on what issue
 

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rydersonthestorm said:
that is a poor list of things, that is not the sum total of a footballer,
you missed running round like a headless chicken gerrard wins that
not being in the right place at the right time another win for gerrard
hollywood pass to nobody another great win for gerrard
pulling your team apart as you want to score good goals and be roy of the rovers another win for stevie g
playing well for you club side but terrible for the national side stevei g wins again

also you have yet to comment on robson and charlton.[/QUOTE]


lmao - ok ok - -you're right if it makes you happy


i've already commented on it on the previous two pages where i explained how i do not actually think he is THE best


and you've really done yourself no favours with that statement how he fails to be at the right place in the right time considering he's scored more goals than some cf's...


and i suppose de rossi and hargo have been class acts for their sides...c'mon hargo has playe great only 5 matches for his side and before that he was no one...

anyway - you won it with your list of the things - i'm a bit surprised you didn't comment those i stated - maybe you agree with my FACTS
 

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rydersonthestorm said:
you seem to forget about luka modric the worlds best player going to a top wolrd team and being better than numerous other mids who play betetr and have signed for better clubs.
luka modric is amoung the best midfielders for me....


what's wrong with that ?

lol - he eat ballack,vdv,riquelme,diego and co whenever he met them


perhaps you failed to see it

and i never said he is the world 's best player


are you deliberately trying to wind me up by imagening things
 

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rydersonthestorm said:
thats why he signed for tottenham, i have no doubts he is a good player but in the summer you said he was one of the world best and the euro's and his start to the league have done nothing to proove this.
ermmm - he was amoung the best mids at euros...

and give him time - he's already started showing some class


and I consider him in the top 10 of world's midfielders...


lol - so what if he signed for tottenham... they payed big money for him BEFORE EUROS....


and in that way they did a smart job...the word is - juve are in for him but that's another subject
 

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anyway - you don't think gerrard is amoung the best - fine


let's drop it - cos we might say something we both will regret ok
 

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rydersonthestorm said:
nice post jazz, you know your football unlike some :D
unlike some - true


some who think de rossi is more complete than gerrard only because he has defensive responsabilities
 

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rydersonthestorm said:
crooney not one person has agreed with pretty much anything you have said, i think as usual your just being an arse.
thanks

that's very mature


oh and i suppose everyone has agreed with your de rossi > gerrard
 

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stretty said:
You have got to be joking crooney , i think you should go and have a drugs test after starting this thread lol.
Even fat frank plays better without him , no doubt hes good for the dippers but for england he only performs in about 2 games out of 10
and lampard performs 1 in 100


lol


ANYWAY - GUYS - I'M SORRY FOR STARTING THE FUZZ - THERE'S NO NEED OF NAME CALLINGS AND BECAUSE I NEVER SAW LIVE THE LIKES YOU MENTIONED AND HAVE NO GERAT KNOWLEDGE OF ENGLISH HISTORY I'VE DONE MYSELF NO FAVOURS BY OPENING THIS THREAD...

I saw liverpool match the other day and it just struck me to ask you your thoughts about the player - you proved me that he is not the best but maybe some of you think he is amoung the top 5...thank you
 

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rydersonthestorm said:
i just say what i see,
again perhaps you don't know enough english to see the point where i said gerrard was a better player than de rossi, i just don't think gerrard is a very complete player and is more of a playmaker or attacking mid.
and by being a dmf ONLY , the player is more complete


cos that's what they are - players with defensive qualites
 

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Jazz 16 said:
lads can we have civilised debate without resorting to name calling please?

Crooney-It appears you are wrong on this one mate. I dont think you should
argue the merits of it anymore. ;-)
Charlton and Robbo p1ss ALL over Stevie Gee any day of the week.
Im shocked that you could think Gerrard is greater than those 2 Gods.
Maybe you should have thought a bit longer when making this thread?
Just take it on the chin and crack on! :)

Edit: just saw your post above Croo. Good man.
And when did you start the Fuzz? :eek: ;-)
well - when people started calling me idiot and an arse
 

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ryders mate - you apologised only cos u were warned i think -


you've already said you meant every word you were gonna say


but hey - better late then never


as for the part before - who scored against us ? de rossi ?

yeah whenthey were 6-0 down - great captain - scored 1 goal
 
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