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We'll probably have to agree to dissagree, yeah.TheManc said:But I guess we'll have to agree to disagree in that if he had gone to say Milan, his training would have been different. For instance, Manutd are one of the few clubs who allow there young players to to express themsleves.
Ronaldo used to go around trying to take the world on, but we let him figure it out himself, whereas other teams would have straight away told him to 'cut it out'.
He has been able to express himself here more than he would have at any other club except Barcelona (expressive, attacking football is a must for both teams obviously).
We have also kept him on the straight and narrow, which is far easier said than done. Ronaldo is the perfect target for media hype/pressure.
We've seen first hand about how it can affect them. We had a player Lee Sharpe a while back who was similar to Giggs and came up at the same time. Who knows, at another club Ronaldo may have turned out be a Lee Sharpe instead of a Giggs.
You have no way of teeling if that guy is gonna be the best in the world. You can say "that guy is gonna be a decent player" or "He's got the potential to be world class" - but no one can say that an 18 year old is gonna end up the best in the world.
OT but Just wondering, having seen players like Figo, Quaresma, Ronaldo, Simao ect, whats your opinion on how far Nani can go?
But a few points I'd like to make:
-both the EPL and La Liga have much more emphasys on quality rather then regularity. I don't like italian football, to much rigour, defensive consistency, not taking goals is much more important than scoring them. That beeing said, i probably agree that an 18 year old boy wouldn't have cut it in the serie A in his 1st years, but then again, i doubt they'd buy someone that young.
-I think (and you can dissagree with me here) that the main reason CR took of so fast is that you had just sold beckham, so you we're a winger short, in effect. That gave him consistent 1st team play, in order to evolve. I think any team with the same ambitions and the same deficit would have handled him the same way.
Cuz let's face it, you don't buy a tenor and have him sing soprano.
It's not like he was like this when left, of course, you did in fact let him blossom (sounds gay, i know), but, in my view, he would have blossomed anywhere. Maybe it'd had taken him a couple more years, but don't forget, the main reason SAF came to Alvalade to play a friendly match and left wth a new winger is cuz he knew someone might snatch him first, so he knew even then.
That bit about nani i'll adress lower, since christiano asked the same, i'll answer both down there.
Barcelona has made some lackluster deals since Laporta became president.christianoharleiro said:Sporting4Ever, you're just as deluded if you think he'd have risen to the top wherever he went. I agree that you can't say a young players gonna flop unless he goes to Man Utd. But take Quaresma and Simao for example, they were the next big thing, way more hyped than Ronaldo was - got their move to Barcelona and flopped the show and returned to Portugal.
Buying simao, not using him, then selling him to benfica for less than half what they payed. And simao was THE benfica squad when he was there. now in Atletico he may do some nice things, but his time has passed, and i think going to benfica was the worse move he ever made.
Then quaresma, who did some nice things on his 1st and only year there, was traded in BarÃ§a's purchase of Deco, and he's also been the driving force in Porto. Mourinho going for him just tells you how good he is, but, to me, both players we're pretty much screwed by BarÃ§a's bad deals in recent years (loosing Figo like that???)
But there's also another thing for your consideration. Both quaresma and simao left Sporting at about 21, 22, while Ronaldo was bought at age 18, after his 1st year in Sporting's 1st team.
Quaresma and simaos played 1st team for Sporting for 2-3 years before moving to BarÃ§a, so that in itself should tell you something.
The quality and potential were already there, and credit to Man Utd to let him achieve it, but, to me, just letting a player play isn't the same as making him what he is.
Well, if things keep going like this, you may have him, but I'd think twice about making him SAF's successor.christianoharleiro said:
And take into account that I've had CQ as manager, and he gave us our 1st trophy after about 15 years of desert crossings, but what I've seen so far in the National team makes me question his methods and choices A LOT.
Firstly, I think Man Utd jumped the gun on taking him so soon. SAF said he considered buying him, and leaving him here for one more season, and I think that would've been best. Nani is very skilled, no doubt there, but he's trying to hard to prove himself, trying to (imo) show he can be just as good as ronnie. He may, but that's a few years away, hence him staying here one more year might have been better.christianoharleiro said:Oh and Sporting4Ever, out of interest, how far do you think Nani will go? there's alot of debate on this forum about him, just interested to see what you think of his character etc as I'm sure you saw alot of him for Sporting.
I hope he doesn't loose it, I think he's walking a fine line atm. The problem with buying players so young is they get starstruck and can loose themselves. He should focus on beeing a winger 1st, get to line and cross properly, then, when get's that, maybe aim higher. Ronaldo spent 2 years beeing a winger, nani wants it all fast. He just needs to keep his focus on the team, rather than on the show, and he hasn't been there so far...