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with the arabic invasion of the epl and all the rich bums slashing cash
is money is going to be the answer to win trophies

with chelsea already bough by a rich bum
city have been bough by a rich **** al fahim
allot of arsenal shares are being bough by a share holder
and liverpool are romoured that they are about to be bough by a richer bum sheich mohamed

will the money will be the answer for the trophies ?
will we have to splash cash in the following season to stay successful ?
 

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Fergie must relish the challenge of seeing off City after he successfully saw off Chelsea. It's just a shame he is so close to retiring.

With virtually unlimited wealth City have got to be taken seriously. I'm sure the big clubs around Europe will react furiously to approaches for their best players but some may crack with the amount of money these guys can offer.

I don't think they are a real threat this season but in the coming seasons I think the big 4 will become the big 5. This could have disastrous consequences (probably for Arsenal or Liverpool) because failure to qualify for the Champions League is unthinkable for these clubs.
 

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of course money buys to trophies. chelsea 05/06.

providing you have the manager who's capable of turning world class individuals into a team (which chelsea had in Mourinho) then yes money buys trophies.
 

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Before football was commercialised and before tranfer fees skyrocketed, a combination of a big club with traditions and huge fans base, a good visionary manager and good players (probably attacted by the first two factors) would suffice to dominate the league.

Think how we built ourselves again from ashes after the Munich tragedy with a legendary manager and some legendary players. And also think about the all-conquering Liverpool team, never more well off than us, more than 20 years ago. Of course, there are some oddballs, some with traditions too, spoiling the exclusive party but they never lasted.

Fast forward to the age of commercialism, we were always the biggest and richest club in England who benefited with our global brand name and hence the lucrative merchandise and big sponsors. No doubt we first broke the stranglehold of Liverpool with the arrival of a French rebel and a bunch of youngsters, we can't deny we were always the one smashing tranfer fee records just to buy the must-have quality players like Keane etc, and if not, a higher price than if it would have been another club to get what we wanted eg 18m for Carrick and various substantial figures too for players like Ronaldo, Anderson and Nani etc under the category of 'unproven' but talented.

The point is, money is needed to buy quality if we can't find them in our own backyard. Again, there were some oddballs like Rovers but they did not win again, did they?

Then out of the blue, no pun intended, Chel$ki came from nowhere to win back to back titles with the entry of Abramovich with his massive wealth to spend on his latest hobby. I mean, what brought Mourinho, a good, boring but effective (result-oriented) coach, into the club and enabled the amassing of some quality players in the first place to clinch the title? I mean, what can allow them to win from nowhere in sight suddenly? Money, of course.

And obviously no argument too for the existence of the Big Four and their dominance over the smaller clubs for these years.

Yes, money is not The Answer but is the majority of the answer, especially in this moden era.

And guess what? Think Citeh with richer owners than Abramovich, just set a new British transfer record for Robinho. They have a good coach, amassed some good players and will be continuing to do so and have a good fans base too. Like Giggs said today, we may just see a new Top Five. Just don't bet against it.
 

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I dont think money is the answer. Look what we did with Ronaldo. From 12 million to 100 million in 2 seasons. Wenger did it with Henry and Fabregas. Money isnt needed. Just a bonus...
 

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i see Arsenal as a threat that Russian is buying more shares every day
just few more million shares and he will be owner of Arsenal
 

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Money is not THE only answer, but its one of the answers.

You need team spirit, and a great manager to make a successful team. However, you do need money nowadays imo.

Also, a team of superstars doesn't work either, and that is why it's pretty debatable whether City become a success if they get their 18 players.

However, they need to be considered a threat in about 3 or 4 years.
 

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Money is not THE only answer, but its one of the answers.

You need team spirit, and a great manager to make a successful team. However, you do need money nowadays imo.

Also, a team of superstars doesn't work either, and that is why it's pretty debatable whether City become a success if they get their 18 players.

However, they need to be considered a threat in about 3 or 4 years.
I agree 100% mate...
 
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September 5, 2008

Manchester City: an accident waiting to happen

Simon Barnes

Dr Sulaiman al-Fahim should take note of Dr Simon Barnes's first law of football. It states: “Ownership of a club invariably diminishes the person who does the owning.†This can be expressed less formally — under normal circumstances, anyone who buys a football club will end up looking an idiot within a year and a bloody fool within two.


Everyone who goes into club ownership thinks that he will be the one who does it differently, the one who can do what has never been done, who can win what has never been won. But with the inevitability of the sun rising in the east, the rich and powerful men, the brilliant creative leaders of business, take a seat in a directors' box, put on the red nose and the funny hat, assume a cheery smile and step straight into the open manhole.

As the good doctor from Abu Dhabi contemplates his almost completed purchase of Manchester City, he should take a look around the Barclays Premier League at all the fine messes other owners have got themselves into and ask himself: “Why should I be different?â€

Look at Mike Ashley. For all of us who read the back pages, the Newcastle United owner is a man who has long gone beyond the “bloody fool†stage. It takes an effort of will to recall that he is also a crash-hot businessman with a fortune of £1.4 billion, No 54 in The Sunday Times Rich List.

He is not, then, an obvious candidate for the clown's make-up and fright wig. But ever since he bought Newcastle United just over a year ago he has become a laughing stock, while the club he was going to launch into the stratosphere have staggered from one crisis to the next, making everyone who lives a decent distance from the Tyne howl with laughter every time United's name comes up in conversation.

Ashley, no doubt wearying of the hostility of the business world, clearly wants to be loved. He also has romantic feelings about football, but mixing business and romance is never a good idea. Ashley has the romance thing worse than most, sitting with fans in his replica shirt, drinking lager, dismissing the unglamorous Sam Allardyce as manager and replacing him with, of all people, Kevin Keegan.

If there was a point in signing up Keegan for his second stint at Newcastle it was to be found in the manager's mad impetuosity, his all-out emotional commitment, his inspiring love for the daft bloody game. But here Ashley lost his nerve. He appointed Keegan's temperamental opposite to keep him in check. Dennis Wise as executive director (football) has consistently undermined Keegan, hence the mess the club are in. Keegan has had a week in which he apparently resigned, had apparently been sacked and has now gone at last, while Newcastle's season fell apart before the astonished and bewildered eyes of supporters.

Everyone knows that stability, consistency and the strong input of a single visible leader are what bring success in football. So in comes a new owner and he goes for turbulence, for chopping and changing, for appointing a manager and then having second thoughts and bringing in an un-manager.

It has been the same at West Ham United. They somehow finished tenth last season and had their best start to a campaign in years, so off went Alan Curbishley because he got fed up with being in control and yet not being in control as the board took decisions about buying and selling out of his hands. As a result, Björgólfur Gudmundsson, the Icelandic chairman and owner, resembles a man unable to organise a drinking session in a Brennivín distillery.

Liverpool more or less patented the ideas of consistency and stability in their glory years, so the new American owners thought it would be more fun to take the opposite route. What's more, they hate each other. George Gillett Jr and Tom Hicks have cooked up some fine stunts between them, such as trying to sign Jürgen Klinsmann as manager while Rafael Benítez was in place. It was a dodgy move to start with, but getting found out was a PR disaster. The pair look disloyal, fickle, untrustworthy. And what about that stadium? Stanley Park — remember that? They would be shifting the earth on the site within 60 days of taking over, all right? We are now 18 months on and work has been delayed again.

The club float along on borrowed money, apparently unable to go forward or back, offering jam yesterday and jam tomorrow, but never jam today. And as always it's the owners who look silly, everyone else a mere victim of their methods of management.

Malcolm Glazer is more hated than laughed at, but the American owner of Manchester United has betrayed no interest in football and has launched the club on to a turbulent sea of debt. His sons, Joel, Avram, Bryan, Kevin and Edward, and daughter, Darcie, are on the board. Glazer's purchase prompted the foundation of a rebel club, FC United of Manchester, who play in the Unibond League. Bizarre stuff.

Not even Roman Abramovich can escape the might of Dr Barnes's Law. Untold billions don't stop you looking a fool; au contraire. Abramovich found his club, Chelsea, turned into a no-go area by the posturing of José Mourinho when he was manager and Mourinho's ability to play the press like a Stradivarius.

Abramovich almost found himself in a position of dismissing a man who won the Champions League — Mourinho twice took the club to the semi-finals — which is an absurd situation to be in. The Russian then made his pal, Avram Grant (initially appointed as an un-manager, to get in the way of Mourinho), manager and sacked him less than a year later for not being quite up to the job, as a million people pointed out as soon as the appointment was made.

Football consistently makes some of the most powerful and effective men in the world look silly. It is football's nature; it is football's gift to the common man. Partly, this comes about because football is not a business like running a shoe shop. Twenty well-run shoe shops will make a few bob, but even if you have 20 well-run clubs in the Premier League, you would still have only one winner.

A further problem is that football is fun and business is not. Millions are interested in the sport and follow it with a passion. Therefore, everything is stared at, everything is discussed, everything is examined, everything is everybody's concern.

But at the last it comes down to the inescapable fact that football is based on wild, romantic notions about life that are fundamentally incompatible with business practice. To go for pure business strategies in football is as inappropriate as going for pure footballing romance in business. But try the two together and you find yourself in a world of eternal tensions, which create eternal chaos in individuals and institutions.

A brilliant business brain doesn't let you off, nor does a bottomless purse, nor does a lifetime in the game.

Source. timesonline.co.uk/

Football makes fools of men; the bigger the fortune, the bigger the fool.

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money is never the answer
you could have all the money in the world and not win a thing (i hope)
i think things may change in the near future with a limit to spending or some sort of way to stop teams being owned by billionare owners
id really love for football to go back to the roots and let the fans own the club or not have this very Americanized Franchised teams and just have good old
manchester united football club instead of the logo manchester united
weather it will happen or not i duno only time will tell
but i think there will be alot of money wasted on clubs in the near future
so much for youth :(
 

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money is never the answer(
True. But it provides most of the answer.

Sure we need a well-run club to take care of the nitty gritty details, an astute manager to blend the players into one fighting unit and for the technical aspects of the game throughout an entire season, a good team spirit and camaraderie in the dressing room etc.

Above all and at the end of the day, however, it still boils down to the genuine quality of the players, even ahead of the manager. I mean, managing a team of Brambles is not going to win you anything. Determination and desire, too, are just not good enough over the course of a season, as witnessed by how lesser early leaders just dropped off the race like pin falls.

If a 7m bid for Campbell is a club's record for Hull, they will never own Rio, probably the best defender in the league, Berbatov, one of the few top strikers, Rooney, one of the best English talents, Ronaldo and Anderson, unproven but promising young talents when they were signed to carry their flag in the future etc. How can they ever compete with the big boys?

And in the case of Chel$ki, it must be money that suddenly put all the favourable factors in place for them to win back-to-back title instantly from out of the blue. Nothing else can explain how Mourinho and other quality players can suddenly 'landed' from thin air to rescue them from obscurity.

Not 100% but at least 70% I would say. And with 70% in your favour already, it does make it much easier than the rest of the lesser crowd.
 

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with the arabic invasion of the epl and all the rich bums slashing cash
is money is going to be the answer to win trophies

with chelsea already bough by a rich bum
city have been bough by a rich **** al fahim
allot of arsenal shares are being bough by a share holder
and liverpool are romoured that they are about to be bough by a richer bum sheich mohamed

will the money will be the answer for the trophies ?
will we have to splash cash in the following season to stay successful ?
chelsea bought by a bum and city bought by what i imagine starts with a f and ends with a k, dont be so ignorant because deep down everyone wants the money to be able to afford who they want,chelsea won their trophies with money. this is where the real men shine where loyalty comes true.What city want fabri, torres and ronaldo, whats stoping city from getting ronaldo if they pay enough he will drop us like a hot snot, and not go to "his dream real madrid" his dream is a bigger house. at the end of the day in my opinion money makes the world go around, everyone has their price.
 

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I wonder if a lot of money also means no brain.

If not, answer me why guys with too much money CRAVES to buy crappy English football teams?
 
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