top scorer in la liga does not always relate to 20 goal a year man in the prem . ladies and gentlemen i give you diego forlan for evidence . couldnt hit an elephants bottom with a banjo from two paces in our game yet thrived in spain
Luis Fabiano
Manchester United were mob-handed in Barcelona last weekend. While Sevilla were destroying Espanyol up on the Olympic hill of Montjuic, one of United's most senior talentspotters plus members of the club's recruitment team from Spain and Portugal were watching attentively.
It was a re-run of last season's Hampden UEFA Cup Final but this time there were six goals, not four and the Andalusians cracked in four of them to depart with the points.
With Dani Jarque and Carlos Kameni plus Luis Garcia catching the eye for Espanyol and a veritable feast of top-quality players in the red and white of Sevilla—Christian Poulsen, Ivica Dragutinovic, Luis Fabiano, Feydou Keita, Diego Capel to name only a few — the trip was never going to be a waste of time.
But the fact that United's Porto based man made the trip to rendezvous with his colleagues suggests that it was former Porto striker and Brazil centre-forward Luis Fabiano, of Sevilla, who was the main target. And, as Barry Norman used to say, "Why not indeed?"
Fabiano has scored over 30 goals since August—easily the best striking performance by any player in Europe's top leagues. He, like his team-mates, has won five trophies since May 2006 and, best of all, his contract stipulates a buy-out clause of only £8million.
However, if you are scratching your head a little and admitting that Fabiano would not trip off your tongue if asked to name a list of the world's top No 9s, then that is quite explicable.
The Brazilian is one of those guys who's life is as sweet as a nut right now but who has suffered terribly over the last decade. Lonely, miserable, cold and almost mute because of his failure to understand or learn French at Rennes aged only 17, he flopped like a Duran Duran haircut. Back at Sao Paolo, and team-mate to the young Kaka, he scored so many and such good goals that he was nicknamed O'Fabuloso — the Fabulous One.
But when the post-Jose Mourinho era at Porto kicked off with Fabiano replacing the goals of Derlei and Benni McCarthy, the player was not only hopeless, he suffered the worst time of his life.
"I only left Sao Paolo the second time because the club needed the bucks," he explained. "But I came back to Europe with the intention of proving myself and becoming a great. I didn't want the setback at Rennes to stain my CV.
"However, it was when I joined Porto that gangsters kidnapped my mother back in Brazil and threatened to kill her unless I paid a huge ransom. Those were two months of hell and although, thanks to God, everything resolved itself without my mother being hurt, she still suffers the fear and is not the same person any more."
Naturally, Fabiano's football was affected. However, the exceptionally shrewd "Monchi' (head of Sevilla's scouting team) understood that this was a good player who was underperforming, not an overrated chump.
Fabiano failed to sparkle in his first few months and incurred the wrath of the demanding Sevilla fans. Until, that is, he found fitness and a perfect partner in Fredi Kanoute. The pair are dynamite.
"The impact of who I play with and how Juande Ramos and Manolo Giminez have coached me is fundamental," he agrees.
"A Brazilian striker lives for goals —more so than any other nationality.
"If you aren't scoring, you are not alive; you feel asphyxiated and you cannot find any peace either in your work or at home.
"If I'm not scoring, I can't sleep. I mope around the house, I'm mean and you just wouldn't recognise me.
"Now I feel like the guy who was baptised O' Fabuloso in Sao Paolo."
They adore him back there now as much as ever. His instant impact when Brazil were playing Uruguay last year and getting a chasing was to come on and score twice to give his country the victory.
If there is a cloud on his horizon it is that, although he'll be cheap to buy in the summer, he is another Carlos Tevez-West Ham-Manchester United-FIFA row waiting to happen. Seville only wanted to take a partial risk on him when buying the 'flop' from Porto.
"It's a mess," Fabiano confirms. "Sevilla only own 33 per cent of my registration, with the rest being in the hands of a company.
"Life here is brilliant. I like the people, the language, the weather and the football. But if Sevilla think they are going to keep me in the summer, then I'd like to see them making more of an effort to do it.
"The contract is quite specific — 711m (£8m) buys the part of my registration which Sevilla holds, so if someone comes in with that money in the summer then there will be nothing Sevilla can do.
"It's down to them to renegotiate my deal before then—all I'll do for the meantime is try to keep on scoring goals and take us to the Champions League Final."
Manchester United will be watching. And they won't be the only ones.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...all.html?in_article_id=517781&in_page_id=1779
It was a re-run of last season's Hampden UEFA Cup Final but this time there were six goals, not four and the Andalusians cracked in four of them to depart with the points.
With Dani Jarque and Carlos Kameni plus Luis Garcia catching the eye for Espanyol and a veritable feast of top-quality players in the red and white of Sevilla—Christian Poulsen, Ivica Dragutinovic, Luis Fabiano, Feydou Keita, Diego Capel to name only a few — the trip was never going to be a waste of time.
But the fact that United's Porto based man made the trip to rendezvous with his colleagues suggests that it was former Porto striker and Brazil centre-forward Luis Fabiano, of Sevilla, who was the main target. And, as Barry Norman used to say, "Why not indeed?"
Fabiano has scored over 30 goals since August—easily the best striking performance by any player in Europe's top leagues. He, like his team-mates, has won five trophies since May 2006 and, best of all, his contract stipulates a buy-out clause of only £8million.
However, if you are scratching your head a little and admitting that Fabiano would not trip off your tongue if asked to name a list of the world's top No 9s, then that is quite explicable.
The Brazilian is one of those guys who's life is as sweet as a nut right now but who has suffered terribly over the last decade. Lonely, miserable, cold and almost mute because of his failure to understand or learn French at Rennes aged only 17, he flopped like a Duran Duran haircut. Back at Sao Paolo, and team-mate to the young Kaka, he scored so many and such good goals that he was nicknamed O'Fabuloso — the Fabulous One.
But when the post-Jose Mourinho era at Porto kicked off with Fabiano replacing the goals of Derlei and Benni McCarthy, the player was not only hopeless, he suffered the worst time of his life.
"I only left Sao Paolo the second time because the club needed the bucks," he explained. "But I came back to Europe with the intention of proving myself and becoming a great. I didn't want the setback at Rennes to stain my CV.
"However, it was when I joined Porto that gangsters kidnapped my mother back in Brazil and threatened to kill her unless I paid a huge ransom. Those were two months of hell and although, thanks to God, everything resolved itself without my mother being hurt, she still suffers the fear and is not the same person any more."
Naturally, Fabiano's football was affected. However, the exceptionally shrewd "Monchi' (head of Sevilla's scouting team) understood that this was a good player who was underperforming, not an overrated chump.
Fabiano failed to sparkle in his first few months and incurred the wrath of the demanding Sevilla fans. Until, that is, he found fitness and a perfect partner in Fredi Kanoute. The pair are dynamite.
"The impact of who I play with and how Juande Ramos and Manolo Giminez have coached me is fundamental," he agrees.
"A Brazilian striker lives for goals —more so than any other nationality.
"If you aren't scoring, you are not alive; you feel asphyxiated and you cannot find any peace either in your work or at home.
"If I'm not scoring, I can't sleep. I mope around the house, I'm mean and you just wouldn't recognise me.
"Now I feel like the guy who was baptised O' Fabuloso in Sao Paolo."
They adore him back there now as much as ever. His instant impact when Brazil were playing Uruguay last year and getting a chasing was to come on and score twice to give his country the victory.
If there is a cloud on his horizon it is that, although he'll be cheap to buy in the summer, he is another Carlos Tevez-West Ham-Manchester United-FIFA row waiting to happen. Seville only wanted to take a partial risk on him when buying the 'flop' from Porto.
"It's a mess," Fabiano confirms. "Sevilla only own 33 per cent of my registration, with the rest being in the hands of a company.
"Life here is brilliant. I like the people, the language, the weather and the football. But if Sevilla think they are going to keep me in the summer, then I'd like to see them making more of an effort to do it.
"The contract is quite specific — 711m (£8m) buys the part of my registration which Sevilla holds, so if someone comes in with that money in the summer then there will be nothing Sevilla can do.
"It's down to them to renegotiate my deal before then—all I'll do for the meantime is try to keep on scoring goals and take us to the Champions League Final."
Manchester United will be watching. And they won't be the only ones.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...all.html?in_article_id=517781&in_page_id=1779
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Luis Fabiano had a trial at Man United before he signed for Sevilla. He was supposed to sign for us but was unable to get a work permit.
think he signed for porto that time actually!sparkic said:Luis Fabiano had a trial at Man United before he signed for Sevilla. He was supposed to sign for us but was unable to get a work permit.
we are in the market for the best in the world not the best 2nd rate players! Benzema!
Hmm not many South Americans manage to hack it in English football so it'd be a bit risky if we bought him.
Would mind us getting Diego Capel though as back up for Nani & Ronaldo when Giggs finally hangs up his boots.
Would mind us getting Diego Capel though as back up for Nani & Ronaldo when Giggs finally hangs up his boots.
Good player, would prefer a big money move for Aguero, Bojan or a more experianced striker
Perfect.
£8m is not a lot of money in todays market, so its worth the risk.
He looks great. And the "top scorer in la liga does not always relate to 20 goal a year man in the prem." Yes, it does not always, but Torres has proved that it can be done.
And will people shut up about Benzema. Doesn't anyone read the reports in the newspapers, on the internet, listen to the radio, watch tv?
Benzema has just signed a new contract with Lyon.
He doesn't want to play in England. He was to play in Italy or Spain.
How plain does he need to be?
And Lyon are demanding something like £40m? I would rather risk £8m than £40m. No player is worth that amount.
£8m is not a lot of money in todays market, so its worth the risk.
He looks great. And the "top scorer in la liga does not always relate to 20 goal a year man in the prem." Yes, it does not always, but Torres has proved that it can be done.
And will people shut up about Benzema. Doesn't anyone read the reports in the newspapers, on the internet, listen to the radio, watch tv?
Benzema has just signed a new contract with Lyon.
He doesn't want to play in England. He was to play in Italy or Spain.
How plain does he need to be?
And Lyon are demanding something like £40m? I would rather risk £8m than £40m. No player is worth that amount.
fabiano is a wicked player but we need a tried and tested player in the prem do i have to keep saying this berbatov!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the mans a genius
Argh i just want any out-and-out striker therefore we wouldnt need the scare of almost drawing to Derby and losing to Pompey a goalscorer like LF would of scored them 
Eh, no!fazman said:fabiano is a wicked player but we need a tried and tested player in the prem do i have to keep saying this berbatov!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the mans a genius
I can't believe the obsession with Berbatov. Yeah, he is a fantastic player, but he has an attitude problem and will cost FAR too much. No way is he worth what Tottenham want for him.
And would he be happy with the rotation policy? I highly doubt it.
Berb would be around 22 million
I doubt Tottenham would sell him for 22 million. Where did you get that from?NoxiousD said:Berb would be around 22 million
berbatov is fantastic striker, world class pedigree is answered with world class goals. like the one scored against psv. He's old though, hasn't had much football exerence in the top league(s) of Europe. He only moved from Bulgaria about 4/5years ago. Was in Germany for a couple of years before his 11m gbp move to Spurs. Hm. A good striker but i'm not going to pay £20m for him. Not by a long shot. He's best at Spurs. Let him stay there and produce the displays he can for us all to watch. Let us not put pressure on the guy more than the 6ft3 man already has at SPurs. Could he handle it? I'm sure his performances were in poor shape when the transfer speculation re: man utd kicked in.
Neither would i want Luis Fabiano. "easily the best scoring pedigree with 30 goals since June 2007". *cough cough*. Pleeeease tell me someone picked up on this red herring. He had a trial in france when a kid, but didn't do so well there. Moved back to Brasil after a year. Cowardice rather than tolerance to a cause. Ronaldhinio was PANTS at PSG, until his final 18months that showed his pedigree once he adapted to the culture of French football.
I have no idea why he flopped at Porto, other than personal reasons. Maybe there was too much pressure on him to sign? After all, this is a lad i named "Mr Record breaker" with my friend Sparkz. We spoke about him a long time ago, i think i still have Emails to prove this in my old Hotmail inbox. I know MUFc were most certianly interested in him, but the deal fell through and he went to Porto instead.
Luis broke evry single goal scoring record that Ronaldo set in Brazil, he banged them in before he left for france but banged in even more after he went back to brasil post France season. he is a goal scorer, but of the type i do not know.
And with the history of Spanish players coming into the Uk late on in their career, i'm not so sure he'd be a suitable buy for us. ## I thin the boat for him to smash it in England went with his unfortunate move to Porto.
He left Brazil at the same time as Kaka and D'Alessandro left South America. Kaka made a brave move to a big club, but Andres messed his career up with his ego all over the palce. Don't know where he is now. Luis's story is explained above. kaka is the only one to come out on tops. ALl 3 are crazilly talented players, ANdres arguably more so than kaka. But their career choices affected their future development.
Luis is too old now to start a fresh career in England. The pace and physicality is nothing like in Spain or Portugal.
Then agfain i do remember him as being a direct forward. Given his age i think this would be his last last last chance to forge a successful career in England. And at 8m gbp, why not#? it'd give Benzema time and space to develop his skills ready for a big move to Man Utd.
In those 2 years maybe Fabiano could indeed become a deadly goal scorer we crave for to partner Rooney and have a direct and scoring team with every attack forward.
Interesting proposition indeed. He's a nice enough guy, just been through a lot of shit. Not a selfish player, but one of undoubted quality. he's used to scoring chances given to him. Accuracy as as good as what Ronaldo had. if he fits in well, he could be a real buy lads.
But one thing i can't understand, is his #9... the guy is a out and out striker, a #10. Where did #9 come from?
and no anatomical/physiological answers allowed.
17 league games this season delivering 17 goals
8 apperances in europe and 8 goals
4 cup[league cup] apperances and 2 goals
nice statistical data there.
His strength on the ball, accurate finishing and pace made him a vital part of the side that fell in the Semi-Finals of the 2004 Copa Libertadores de América.
the subjective side of information on the chap seems favourable as well.
Neither would i want Luis Fabiano. "easily the best scoring pedigree with 30 goals since June 2007". *cough cough*. Pleeeease tell me someone picked up on this red herring. He had a trial in france when a kid, but didn't do so well there. Moved back to Brasil after a year. Cowardice rather than tolerance to a cause. Ronaldhinio was PANTS at PSG, until his final 18months that showed his pedigree once he adapted to the culture of French football.
I have no idea why he flopped at Porto, other than personal reasons. Maybe there was too much pressure on him to sign? After all, this is a lad i named "Mr Record breaker" with my friend Sparkz. We spoke about him a long time ago, i think i still have Emails to prove this in my old Hotmail inbox. I know MUFc were most certianly interested in him, but the deal fell through and he went to Porto instead.
Luis broke evry single goal scoring record that Ronaldo set in Brazil, he banged them in before he left for france but banged in even more after he went back to brasil post France season. he is a goal scorer, but of the type i do not know.
And with the history of Spanish players coming into the Uk late on in their career, i'm not so sure he'd be a suitable buy for us. ## I thin the boat for him to smash it in England went with his unfortunate move to Porto.
He left Brazil at the same time as Kaka and D'Alessandro left South America. Kaka made a brave move to a big club, but Andres messed his career up with his ego all over the palce. Don't know where he is now. Luis's story is explained above. kaka is the only one to come out on tops. ALl 3 are crazilly talented players, ANdres arguably more so than kaka. But their career choices affected their future development.
Luis is too old now to start a fresh career in England. The pace and physicality is nothing like in Spain or Portugal.
Then agfain i do remember him as being a direct forward. Given his age i think this would be his last last last chance to forge a successful career in England. And at 8m gbp, why not#? it'd give Benzema time and space to develop his skills ready for a big move to Man Utd.
In those 2 years maybe Fabiano could indeed become a deadly goal scorer we crave for to partner Rooney and have a direct and scoring team with every attack forward.
Interesting proposition indeed. He's a nice enough guy, just been through a lot of shit. Not a selfish player, but one of undoubted quality. he's used to scoring chances given to him. Accuracy as as good as what Ronaldo had. if he fits in well, he could be a real buy lads.
But one thing i can't understand, is his #9... the guy is a out and out striker, a #10. Where did #9 come from?
and no anatomical/physiological answers allowed.
17 league games this season delivering 17 goals
8 apperances in europe and 8 goals
4 cup[league cup] apperances and 2 goals
nice statistical data there.
His strength on the ball, accurate finishing and pace made him a vital part of the side that fell in the Semi-Finals of the 2004 Copa Libertadores de América.
the subjective side of information on the chap seems favourable as well.
^^^^ thanks for the interesting and informative post.
I didnt know all that about Fabiano. He looks a talented guy
and he keeps banging in the goals. I have my doubts about him
but I cant pin point a reason why.
If we were to get anyone which we dont necesarily need I
would still go for the Berb. I see some Cantona in him and would
love him to play on our team.
Other options could be Villa, Eto'o or Hunelaar.
I didnt know all that about Fabiano. He looks a talented guy
and he keeps banging in the goals. I have my doubts about him
but I cant pin point a reason why.
If we were to get anyone which we dont necesarily need I
would still go for the Berb. I see some Cantona in him and would
love him to play on our team.
Other options could be Villa, Eto'o or Hunelaar.
I don't see how he would be 8 million when sevilla only own 33% of his contract.
villa is too short..Give a chance to Huntelaar. Eto'o is the bestJazz 16 said:^^^^ thanks for the interesting and informative post.
I didnt know all that about Fabiano. He looks a talented guy
and he keeps banging in the goals. I have my doubts about him
but I cant pin point a reason why.
If we were to get anyone which we dont necesarily need I
would still go for the Berb. I see some Cantona in him and would
love him to play on our team.
Other options could be Villa, Eto'o or Hunelaar.
huntelaar will be a good option...he will be cheaper than eto'o and villa too
but we have to know that huntelaar has done a good job at ajax only till now....we will have to see ,if we buy him, if he will improve at united
but we have to know that huntelaar has done a good job at ajax only till now....we will have to see ,if we buy him, if he will improve at united
fabiano would like the premiership.. he would be great for the rotation at United
he would provide United with more options and much more goals.. and attacking presence!! he would be a quality signing
he would provide United with more options and much more goals.. and attacking presence!! he would be a quality signing
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say testicles to benzema and do indeed go for huntlehaar. we're missing too many hots on goal, We need El Hunter to put them away. our season could collapse at this rate. who cares about chances if they are not being put away. derby should have had 4 past them, portsmouth 2 or 3. Rooney ain't scoring neither is tevez. with the burden on ronaldo to score goals we could be in for an edgy end to the season.
ne'er the less we do need a triker. De Hunter i ssay because he's ready for a big club move, his past data shows he;s a consistent goal scorer who will add another dimension to our game. think about it, Benzema and Manucho are both tall and target men who can score goals from nothing (in diff ways). Rooney Rooney the creator. Ronaldo the Magician. and Tevez enhances the play all together. at times it will work others it won't. Tev and ROo can play similar roles as well upfront or the 'sitting behind the striker' role. if playoing togther aint working,
take one off and bring on huntlehaar. we change our style to a direct attacking an productive rather than one of style emphasis.
While Benzema is having a good season, he aint moving for a few years yet. neither has he got history to back him up. thi is his first top season here he has scored over 20 goals isnt it. De Hunter has done this in like past 3/4 seasons... 1 club to another, another to another and same statistics.
at 15m gbp is a pretty good deal mate.
say testicles to benzema and do indeed go for huntlehaar. we're missing too many hots on goal, We need El Hunter to put them away. our season could collapse at this rate. who cares about chances if they are not being put away. derby should have had 4 past them, portsmouth 2 or 3. Rooney ain't scoring neither is tevez. with the burden on ronaldo to score goals we could be in for an edgy end to the season.
ne'er the less we do need a triker. De Hunter i ssay because he's ready for a big club move, his past data shows he;s a consistent goal scorer who will add another dimension to our game. think about it, Benzema and Manucho are both tall and target men who can score goals from nothing (in diff ways). Rooney Rooney the creator. Ronaldo the Magician. and Tevez enhances the play all together. at times it will work others it won't. Tev and ROo can play similar roles as well upfront or the 'sitting behind the striker' role. if playoing togther aint working,
take one off and bring on huntlehaar. we change our style to a direct attacking an productive rather than one of style emphasis.
While Benzema is having a good season, he aint moving for a few years yet. neither has he got history to back him up. thi is his first top season here he has scored over 20 goals isnt it. De Hunter has done this in like past 3/4 seasons... 1 club to another, another to another and same statistics.
at 15m gbp is a pretty good deal mate.
rOONEY CREATES CHANCES, AND NEVER SCORES, what good is that in a striker whop has been in a club that long? he hasnt even got into double figures. tevez has fared better seeing that this is his first season, and Ronaldo has been great, but we cannot have a club where strikers dont score, what happens when Ronaldo gets injured? Fergie has to sign a striker or two, seeing that Saha is always earning a salary while he is constantly injured. get berbatov, he is a proven asset in the english game, any other striker will also be great
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