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In the summer of 2007, I only had two players on my wish list in addition to Owen Hargreaves - Fernando Torres and Nani.

While the capture of both Anderson, as well as Carlos Tevez were a nice surprise, it was the capture of Nani that had me really smiling.

Now, hoever, I'm not sure if my enthusiasm was warranted.

During that summer, Sir Alex and Carlos Queiroz chose not to move for other good left wingers that were avilable like Martin Petrov, Ryan Babel, Flourent Malouda and Franck Ribery, because they had decided to move for Nani.

To me this signaled incredible belief in the youngster.

Nani went on to have the best season out of the left wingers that joined the premiership that summer and also had the most impact on his team, which led to the Premier League and Champions League double.

Even though Nani did make a lot of telling contributions, a lot of fans rightfully had several complaints about Nani, not least of which were his team work and maturity.

Now, regardless of whether or not Nani becomes the player we hope he can and the player his talent should allow him to becomes, I get the feeling that he does not intend to stay at Old Trafford for the long haul.

Along with Anderson, Nani enjoys a close friendship with Ronaldo and when Nani arrived at OT, his intial interviews had a lot of references to "the best player in the world".

When Ronaldo finally leaves, how happy will Nani and Anderson be to stick around without their ring leader?

I don't have a crystal ball, but it doesn't take a big leap of imagination to deduce that without Ronaldo's presence, Nani would be inclined to leave soon after.

In addition, Nani is not a left-footed player and always needs to adjust his body to put in a cross. He is very fast, but his acceleration is actually not that great, so it needs a couple of yards to really get going and instead of using his pace to get past players when he finally is full stride, his natural style is to stop and try to pull some flashy trick.

For these reasons, I do not think that Nani will or can be our long-term solution on the left wing. It is still early days and he will be here for a few seasons yet, but I think it would prudent management to start looking seriously at some left-footed wingers.

Park Ji-Sung can do a good job on the left, but i would say he is more of a tenacious midfielder than a winger, who can run the flanks and whip in a cross.


In general, good left wingers seem to be in rather short supply, so I'd be interested to see who you guys think can be the long-term replacement of Ryan Giggs.

Do you think Nani will prove me wrong and stay - long after Ronnie has left?
Will he develop into a world beater or will he be an expensive flop?

Who do you think are the best left-footed wingers in the game, who are realistic targets and would love to ply their trade at OT?
 

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dlan4327 said:
Well Sebastian Giovinco can play left wing... Wishful thinking, right? :p Hmm... Left wing, left wing...


Frank Ribery is probably the best left winger out there at the moment. Either him or Robinho I guess & I prefer Ribery.

I suppose Marcelo could be regarded as more of a left winger than a full back because he's not a very good defender.
- I love Franck Ribery and he actually would be available, because Bayern cannot afford to resist a big money offer for their players.

By Marcelo, you mean Madrid left back? I haven't see much of him, so i can't comment.

Sebastian Giovinco is going to be a world beater. If I were Fergie, I'd try to sign him right now., before his contract negotiations are finalized. I would play him as an attacking midfielder though, where he can be a maestro and conduct beautiful football.


andersons_left_foot said:
good thread and good write up

david silva for me, although he can play more central i still beleive his best position is left wing right?

hense why we had that bid for him this summer? please stop me if im wrong

if not silva i have to so Ribery or ashley young there both great talents and id lean more toward young cause he's a young bright english talent and one would hope cost's less than Ribery

but nani mite make it although i have my doubts only time shall tell
Thanks!

David Silva is a good shout and an obvious one. You are right that Man Utd put in a bid for him and I wouldn;t mind him at all. He isn't the finished article yet either though.

Ashley Young needs to be bought, he is probably my fave player outside the prem's top 4. I would prefer him on the right though and a natural left footer for the left wing.
 

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zoran_zlatanov said:
I am not sure if you know that Martin Petrov is Berbatov's best fried. They feel so good together on the pitch. They are the best players in Bulgarian national team and it is always very difficult for opponents defense when both of them are on the pitch. He gives him just perfect balls. So for me Martin Petrov is the best choice if Berbatov plays. But Petrov is even older that Berbatov so this could be only a short-term choice. Maybe 2-3 more years only. So for a long-term i will pick Ryan Babel.

I wasn't aware that they are best mates, but I know they have got great on-field chemistry. Just before Man Utd signed him, he scored for Bulgaria's National Team with a header and the cross was supplied by Petrov.

You;re right about his age though and he couldn't be considered to be a long-term replacement. Fergie really should have encouraged Ryan Giggs to have a few love children down the years. Maybe one out of ten of them would have turned out to be a great footballer :).
 

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abojodeh said:
Nani And Anderson will stay for a long time mark my words

we have an Portuguese AKA Brazilian atmosphere between the players :D

Manucho Nani Ronaldo Rafael Fabio Anderson Possebon and even if Slave leaves there will be many Portuguese AKA Brazilian players i our team

you can that Portuguese language is the club's second language especially if Carlos had stayed

Welcome back, Abo!

Good point about there being a lot of Portuguese. It could work out that way, but Nani, Anderson and Ronaldo are very close. Closer than the rest.

Good to see a positive perspective on it though. It would be nice, if nani stays long after Ronnie is gone.

p.s. Behave later during the game, ok? :)
 

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piazza said:
Drenthe. Rumor is, he's upset about his lack of playing time at Real. He's got loads of talent, and a crazy good shot. Plus, unlike Nani his crossing is consistent.
I've only seen him once as a sub last season.

Didn't make much of an impression.

How's his pace? I thought he was more of a left back than a winger.
 

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manutd004 said:
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But the fact is, Nani is 3 years older than Ronaldo was. He should be more progressed than Ronaldo was, and quite frankly hes playing in a better team than Ronaldo was at the time. His performances should be better than they are, and more regular. And in all honesty, if we don't see considerable progress from him this season, I'll start to question whether hes worth the money and whether hes worth a place in the squad.

- Good point. He is in a better team and older than when Ronnie arrived and this season is supposed to be his coming of age season.

He HAS the talent. It's there. What he needs to do is improve his decision-making. When to pass. When to shoot. When to run the flanks and whip in a cross and when to hold up play and wait for the cavalry. But s far it's the same old Nani and against Aalborg, it was a total regression.


Harsh? Possibly. But I'm only assessing what I see, and its not a lot atm.

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But, with the amount of games and the way we play, I think we need another type of winger. Park has a future here, but its through rotation with the other wingers imo. I think Park is a must to play in the big games though, against the Chelseas, Liverpools, Arsenals, Barcelonas etc etc. I think Park and Ronaldo should also be our no 1 choice of wing partnership throughout the Champions League campaign.

- Oh yeah! Park is perfect for those games. Unwavering, industrious performances with ability to stifle attacks on the right.

I would suggest that we sign a winger in January if we are going to give Nani plenty of time to progress. Perhaps a cheaper option, like an Antonio Valencia for example.

But if Nani doesn't show must progress by the time next summer comes around, I think we need to take a serious look at better, more expensive wingers, such as David Silva.
- Maybe our Bulgarian had a point with signing Martin Petrov, to give Nani some competition and someone to look up too, but I have suspicion than Nani would be too proud to take pointers.

Plus Petrov wouldn't be a realistic target I suppose.

I don't think Silva is the right man either. His body is too slight too.

Someone like Robben would be perfect.

I know he didn't have a good game, but maybe Gamst Pedersen could be bought to give Nani some competition.

He has a sweet left foot and maybe playing in a better team will help him become a more consistent performer.
 

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piazza said:
He was a left back for a while, until Marcelo came around and then once Robben got injured they used him on the wing mainly. His pace is in all honesty, pretty blistering. He's got a pretty good touch on the ball too. The first two of these vids show skills and his pace, the third shows his shot.

Well....

great ball control, good pace and is two-footed.

Not a bad prospect at all. I wonder if Real would be willing to sell and if he's ready to move to a club that can appreciate him. He doesn't seem like a Madrid-type player.
 

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Banana-rama said:
I think this is a good subject, I think we are certainly in need of another top quality winger. We spent 17 million on Nani which is about the same as what Bayern paid for Ribery, Nani looks worth nowhere near 17 million whereas Ribery would cost twice as much if you tried to buy him now.

Why the hell did we buy Nani instead of Ribery????? Ribery had already showed his awesome talent with France at that stage whereas Nani was only good potential, you have to say it was a costly error of judgement that I still can not understand. I was begging for us to sign Ribery that summer on every United forum. But anyway it is time to move on and I would suggest Aiden McGeady, he is quick and very skillful and can play on either wing, he is playing in the SPL where there is not alot of money so im sure we could get him for under 10 million. Also there is Schweinsteiger who's contract runs out at the end of the season so he would be a great signing on a free transfer.

Actually we spent 13million on Nani and 17 on Anderson.
Both big sums of money. ...... then again Gareth Barry is valued at 16 and Robbie Keane at 20 :rolleyes:

Still, I get your point and I was so surprised that Bayern were able to buy Ribery. It was a total coup for them.

Schweinsteiger is a great player, but is much better on the right.

Haven't seen McGready, so can't comment.

Ribery would be a great signing, but if Bayern bought him for 17mil, his price will be astronomical, so I'm not sure he's a realistic target.
 

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Jazz 16 said:
Depends on the game really.
My preference would be Ron on the left and Hargo on the right.

Other options are Park for when we need some extra cover,
Nani against weaker teams where he will get some room to play,
Evra can play there with O'Shea at LB.
Even Anderson too.
We have such a versatile squad that it shouldnt be a problem.

Ron on the left and Hargo on the right WOULD be a formidable threat to any defense, but it would be playing players out of their favoured positions and how effective has Ron been when he's been play on the left?

Still think a class, left-footed, left winger would complete the midfield. I want that Nani to be that guy, but can he mature mentally to become a top-class player? Will he stick around Ronaldo leaves? Will he learn to cut out the gesticulating and mimicking of Ronaldo?

BTW, I would have no qualms with Hargo on the right though. He's done an excellent job there with his pace and ability to deliver great crosses.
 

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Poll added.

Obertan really impressed me two seasons ago, but I saw him mostly on the right. He's looked handy the few times he's played on the left for UNited though and I hope big things for him.

Given the names that are being talked about my vite would go to Joe Cole.
If money weren't an option, my vote would undoubtedly be with Franck Ribery who can also play on the left and as an attacking midfielder.
 

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i voted for Obertan despite being a right footed player

Nani is not good enough on the left
Park is meh
Giggs is closing the end of his career

we need a left footed player in our team
its depressing that we have 3 right footed young wingers but have no any left footed ones :(

we won't sign Ribery and he is right footed
David Silva likes Spain and i don't like him
Di Maria's expensive and in the middle of this current crises i doubt we can afford him
Young is right footed and would be useless without having a good header of the ball upfront
Milner is right footed and better in the middle
Modric looks classy but i don't want to sign ANYONE from Spurs

i would love to see us signing Diniyar Bilyaletdinov who should be on the poll
he will have reasonable price and without a doubt he has all the talent and class to make at United

the best left winger in the league without a doubt
I like some of your reasoning but if money weren't an object, whom would you want Man Utd to sign?
 

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Seeing as Nani plays better on the right, but is capable of playing on the left maybe an inexpensive signing would make more sense.

Joe Cole would fit that bill and be available for free in the summer, I would still love for him to come to United. He has great skill and can play on the left. He can cut in and play as an attacking midfielder. Given the financial situation, I'd say a punt for Joe Cole would make more sense than for Ribery. Joe Cole might have his occasional injury niggles, but that would give Gabriel Obertan a few games too.

Barring that, maybe we should just put in a bid for Angel di Maria. The guy seems very talented, quick and can run with the ball at pace.

So my first choice is Joe Cole followed by di Maria.
 

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I used to like Ribery's playing style and thought he would suit United's style of play but with each passing day, becoming more and more as a mercenary.

Big fan of Silva and hope he gets to wear the red shirt but highly doubt Fergie to cash in for him :(

I know what you mean. I was such a Ribery fan, but the whole farce in the summer has sort of put a dampener on things. He also had an injury and now an indifferent season. In fact it's Robben who is making the headlines for Bayern.

I now would prefer Madrid to take him. They just want him for his name. They can pay the 40mil and the wages. I would be happy with Joe Cole a or an Antonio Valencia type layer on the left. If that person is left-footed as well, it would be great.
 
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