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no game is easy. if any players think they are in for a hammering against derby, we might be in for a big surprise. correct mindset into the game would be utterly important, because i just cannot afford to see our title hope diminished again because of complacency. the wolves game, the sunderland game, those are not fond memories
 

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no game is easy. if any players think they are in for a hammering against derby, we might be in for a big surprise. correct mindset into the game would be utterly important, because i just cannot afford to see our title hope diminished again because of complacency. the wolves game, the sunderland game, those are not fond memories
I agree that we should never turn up thinking that's all we have to do to win. I'm sure Derby will battle as hard as they can in front of their home fans but they are quite possibly the worst team to have EVER played in the Premiership.

I normally think that the win is all that's important but I'll genuinely be disappointed if we only win by 1 goal agains these also-rans.

I've found a pub that's showing the game locally so I'll be watching it on Saturday. COME ON UNITED!
 

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We currently hold the record (9-0) for a Prem win - theoretically we could beat that here but we won't because Fergie will rest players.
 

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Red Devil said:
We currently hold the record (9-0) for a Prem win - theoretically we could beat that here but we won't because Fergie will rest players.
This 9-0 was at home though ;)

We also have the record away win ...

8-1

Maybe we can make this score again ... :eek:
 

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This 9-0 was at home though ;)

We also have the record away win ...

8-1

Maybe we can make this score again ... :eek:

:) Good times. Andy Cole got 5 goals and Ole got 4.
maybe tomorrow Rooney will get 4/5? I wish.
 

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United with a big win, 3 from Ronaldo, 3 from Rooney, 1 for Saha.
All out attack for Utd, they need to sent some signals to opponents that 1 cup down 2 more to go. We mean business here to shut off all the complains we have in recent games be it from the FA or whatever...
7-0??? I wish. More chance of being 7-0 than Saha scoring.
 

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I see people thinking this game is already won and we already got the 3 points. Fans posting things like 'oh wer gna win 10-0' proves my point lol.

After the Pompey game I am being more cautious and I advise my fellow Man United fans to do the same (now we do NOT want to end up like liverfool fans now do we? or the Arsenal fans who were supposed to have a 8 point lead by now! lol =P). As we all saw the ref can change the game in a split of a second; red card + injuries to certain players can result us in losing or drawing a game we should win!

I also would like to remind that last time we did go to Pride Park it was a 2-2 draw in 2002 and I always get a bad feeling when we go away to the bottom club like we did vs Wolves and lost 1-0 (Rio Ferdinand's last game before his 8 month ban). We fielded a very very strong team, all first team besides Nicky Butt in centre midfield; we dominated and lost. I also remember those tricky away games to Portsmouth when we lost 1-0 to a Steve Stone winner.

So saying it is in the bag is not what I think. Its football and anything can happen. They could park a bus and lose the keys and go for the 0-0 like reading did at Old Trafford and they did make some good signings during the transfer window so they are in a much better state then they were when we beat them 4-1. Yes Chelsea did beat them 6-1 but they also beat Man City and City beat us! The Chelsea result could lead our players to complacency - which is exactly what we CANNOT HAVE at this critical stage of the season!! Sir Alex is known for resting players and that choice has lost us games or points before. I say we start with a real strong team if not our strongest and when we take a comfortable lead we just subsitute the star players (e.g. Ronaldo, Rooney, Tevez - because his getting tired) and try players in new positions like Anderson in a more attacking role like he played for Porto.

There is no doubt that we should rest players and let other good players have a chance like Park Ji Sung and Fletcher (okay maybe his not that good but he is a fresh leg!) but we should not take this game easy! We also have to see who is going to be our keeper since Kuszack comes back next game and imagine Foster gets injured or Van Der Sar is not fit and we have Heaton on goal? This game looks easy on paper but travelling away with a small keeper crisis we should be a little cautious after the Atkinson's performance last weekend.

I wish Rooney and Tevez each score hattricks and Ronaldo, Nani, Fletcher and Anderson score which yes would mean a 10-0 win! BUT most prob we will win 4-0 or 5-0. Okay I know it sounds funny or like a joke after what I wrote above BUT as a Man United fan and with the squad and beautiful football we are playing what else could I expect from us?? =)
 

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It should be a comfortable win, Derby will go all out to limit the damage.

I'd like to see a more settled team now rather than squad rotation. I am certainly not against it, it has to be done to keep players fresh but tbh most of the players should be well rested for one reason or another over the season and now need game after game to reach peak match sharpness.

I think this is especially so for our midfield, no-one knows our best midfield and by now I think we should, they need games together and to get the best from our forwards.

I would say Carrick Anderson Fletcher, or 2 from 3.

Scholes will probably start and get his match sharpness but I'd prefer him to be sub and come on after 70 mins.
 

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The only teams Derby have taken points from this season are Newcastle, Sunderland, Birmingham, Bolton, Fulham (that's the other 5 teams in the bottom 6) Man City and Portsmouth.

None of the top 6 teams have dropped points against them.

The 2 draws against Pompey and Man City were flukes at best.

Their star player, Giles Barnes, is out for the rest of the season, the player who scored against us at Old Trafford was sold in January and their most experienced defender, Alan Stubbs, is out of the game through injury.

I am 100% certain that we will beat Derby.
 

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Prem Preview: Derby County - Manchester United

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What: Barclays English Premiership
Who: Derby County (20th) vs Manchester United (2nd)
When: 15:00 GMT (16:00 CET), Saturday 15 March 2008
Where: Pride Park, Derby


For fans of Derby County, this season has been a lengthy trial of endurance, worsened on Wednesday by the abject 6-1 thrashing the Rams received at Stamford Bridge.

Paul Jewell, speaking post-match on Wednesday, expressed relief that there was one less game to play and stated that:“Our personnel will be totally different next year.â€

These are not the kind of statements that are designed to motivate the players, on whom he has clearly given up, but rather are aimed at fans whose patience has been tested to breaking point, and are an encouragement to stick with the team and come back next season.

Undoubtedly they will, especially as the club has frozen season ticket prices for next season. Whether many of this current squad will join them is doubtful. On trial for their places next season, most of them seemed to have failed the test.

Speaking at a Fans' Forum on Monday evening at Pride Park, Jewell was questioned about the ‘losing mentality' that grips the club, with Academy and Reserve teams receiving similar treatment to the first team this season. He stated that at reserve level, that isn't necessarily a problem, one or two players might emerge from the ordeal and become top players “because they're strong.†He clearly doesn't believe that many are strong enough in his first team.

Craig Fagan returned to Hull this week on loan, and the move will become permanent in the summer. The ‘big clearout' promised by Jewell and chairman Adam Pearson seems to have begun.

Those players left ought to show more professional pride, if nothing else. They owe the supporters a huge debt.

That debt is highly unlikely to be paid on Saturday, and the trail of endurance looks set to continue.

United We Stand

Alex Ferguson, in contrast, believes that referees should be the ones on trial. The bewildering intensity of his livid diatribe about Martin Atkinson following United's exit of the FA Cup at the hands of Portsmouth showed us one thing at least: Sir Alex, even as he approaches his retirement, still hates losing.

The frustration and anger at losing so unexpectedly clearly had to find an outlet, and referees became the first victims of the united backlash.

United were unfortunate last week. They could play their tie against Portsmouth another hundred times and not lose. A freakish combination of ill luck and bafflingly poor finishing, exacerbated by having to use three goalkeepers (including Rio Ferdinand), left the Red Devils feeling a massive sense of injustice.

Derby can expect to follow referees as the next victims of the backlash. Some of United's old soldiers are set to return and they will want to prove that they still have plenty to offer United's title challenge.

Gary Neville may return to the United line-up for the first time in almost a year following ankle and groin problems, while Ryan Giggs and Paul Scholes are also in contention. Giggs, speaking to United's official website, commented this week on the importance of having such senior players in the squad.

Players like Neville, Scholes and himself "who have won leagues and experienced tough times and run-ins before, helped the young lads last year and will help others this time,†he said. If he and Neville return to Saturday's line-up, they will be keen to show that they still have more than enough to offer as the business end of the season approaches.

No hiding place for Derby, then. Having already copped for one FA Cup backlash at Chelsea this week they can expect another at home.

When asked this week if he thought that Derby's one league win this season was a ‘fluke', Paul Jewell replied that with only one win all season it certainly looked like it was. Some would argue that Portsmouth's victory over United last week as also a ‘fluke', and a similar fluke would appear to be Derby's only real chance in this game.

It is difficult to see where on the pitch Derby can compete, and fighting spirit, never present in abundance in this ill-prepared squad, is almost extinguished. A favour from Lady Luck, or maybe from referee Phil Dowd, would seem to be the only hope of leaving Ferguson red-faced and hurting once more.

This is the most vital part of the season for United, the time when urgency and extreme ruthlessness inform everything they do. Derby must expect no mercy.

Form Guide

(last five league games)

Derby County

Birmingham City 1-1 Derby County 02/02/2008

Derby County 0-3 Tottenham Hotpsur 09/02/2008

Wigan Athletic 2-0 Derby County 23/02/2008

Derby County 0-0 Sunderland 01/03/2008

Chelsea 6-1- Derby County 12/03/2008

Manchester United

Manchester United 2-0 Portsmouth 30/01/2008

Tottenham Hotspur 1-1 Manchester United 02/02/2008

Manchester United 1-2 Manchester City 10/02/2008

Newcastle United 1-5 Manchester United 23/02/2008

Fulham 0-3 Manchester United 01/03/2008

Team News

Derby County

Alan Stubbs strained his calf at Stamford Bridge on Wednesday and is rated doubtful-a major blow as his experience and leadership are vital if Derby are to do anything other than crumble. Winger Craig Fagan has departed for Hull on loan this week. Long term absentees are Claude Davis (knee) and Tyrone Mears (shin). Giles Barnes flew to the USA this week to see a specialist regarding his suspected damaged knee cap and looks likely to miss the rest of the season. Roy Carroll and Robbie Savage, if selected, will face their old club.

Last Match: (versus Chelsea, Stamford Bridge, 12/03/2008, EPL)

Carroll, Edworthy, Stubbs (Lea**** 16), Moore, McEveley, Sterjovski, Ghaly (Earnshaw 52), Savage, Pearson, Lewis (Jones 58), Miller.
Subs Not Used: Price, Villa.

Manchester United

Gary Neville may make his long-anticipated comeback following his successful negotiation of 73 minutes for the Reserves on Wednesday night, but Bolton next Wednesday is perhaps a more realistic target. Ferguson may want to shake things up a bit, and Ryan Giggs is also in line for a possible return. Ben Foster will make his debut in goal due to Edwin Van der Saar's groin strain and Tomas Kuszczak's suspension. Louis Saha is rated doubtful.

Last Match: (versus Portsmouth, 08/03/2008, FA Cup)

Van der Sar (Kuszczak 46), Brown, Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Ronaldo, Scholes, Hargreaves (Carrick 68), Nani, Rooney, Tevez (Anderson 68).
Subs Not Used: O'Shea, Park.

Players To Watch

Derby County

David Jones will want to impress. The young midfielder was signed for Derby from Manchester United last season for £1 million, and performed well in Derby's push for promotion. Handed limited opportunities this season, he has shown a good attitude and managed to score Derby's consolation goal at Stamford Bridge on Wednesday. Possessing a quality left foot, Jones's set piece delivery may prove Derby's best hope of a goal. The experience of playing should do him good anyway.

Manchester United

Ben Foster will make his competitive debut in the Manchester United goal and, although he is unlikely to face much threat from Derby's blunt attack, it is nevertheless a test of temperament for the highly rated England international. He has been out for much of the year and comes into the game with only one reserve game behind him. Playing for such a high-profile club, any mistakes he makes will be highlighted and any debut is always nerve wracking. How he deals with that pressure may be key.

Prediction

Barring massive intervention from either Lady Luck or Phil Dowd this game can only go one way. Derby must battle for respectability and professional pride: their aim is to keep the score down. United will be hurting and may run riot.

Derby County 0-4 Manchester United
 

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The only teams Derby have taken points from this season are Newcastle, Sunderland, Birmingham, Bolton, Fulham (that's the other 5 teams in the bottom 6) Man City and Portsmouth.

None of the top 6 teams have dropped points against them.

The 2 draws against Pompey and Man City were flukes at best.

Their star player, Giles Barnes, is out for the rest of the season, the player who scored against us at Old Trafford was sold in January and their most experienced defender, Alan Stubbs, is out of the game through injury.

I am 100% certain that we will beat Derby.
Good points. I think the fact that Alan Stubbs limped out against Chelsea
and will certainly miss our game is a huge bonus for us. He is their best
and most experienced defender and will be a huge loss.
Barnes also is one of their top players so without those 2,
I cant see anything other than 3 points for us.
 
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