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I don't get it? Can someone explain it to me? If the idea of playing the team we did against Chelsea was to rest players for Barca then why are we now left with a potentially injured rooney? He took a knock against Blackburn and it's obviously been aggravated against chelsea. He should have been the first player on the list for a "rest" if he was carrying a slight knock. Am I missing a trick? Would it not have been better to put out a virtual second team and tell them to go out and attack chelsea and see what happens?
Fergie to me is showing signs of neither doing one thing or another. He says we must impose our game on barca at the Camp but then we go into our shell. He says we need to rest players but then rooney plays (who was surely the one player who had a definite knock) Isn't this the managerial equivalent of a "cross- come -shot" that is neither a cross nor a shot and ends up just being a waste of an opportunity? It has that feel about it for me. I think he's caught between two goals (CL + PREM) and wants to attack but can't bring himself to do it. He wants to rest players but then doesn't rest the right ones. There's an old buddhist phrase - "Man who chases two rabbits catches neither"
 

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Yeah I was about to say...if we are resting players for Barca, why was Rooney who isn't 100% fit starting and a fit Tevez and Ronaldo not? I would of swapped Ronaldo for Rooney in the starting line up or even let Tevez play...okay he did get a goal but seeing him in pain was really bad...and now he most prob won't play against Barca...PLEASE ROONEY GET FIT ASAP!!
 

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Yeah I was about to say...if we are resting players for Barca, why was Rooney who isn't 100% fit starting and a fit Tevez and Ronaldo not? I would of swapped Ronaldo for Rooney in the starting line up or even let Tevez play...okay he did get a goal but seeing him in pain was really bad...and now he most prob won't play against Barca...PLEASE ROONEY GET FIT ASAP!!
...and that's what is so utterly confusing about it. I think fergie should have been more positive , but let's say he's right to rest players . Then , given a negative philosophy based around resting players for Barca does it make sense to not rest a Rooney carrying a knock? This seems especially strange given that up front is where we have the least cover (compared to midfield for example) . Fergie hasn't even achieved his target . Not only have we lost the chelsea game in a relatively neagtive fashion but Rooney could be out. If he had not played he would be in. If fergie wants to rest players then he should b***ing well rest them . This way we have lost on both counts. Lose the game and lose our second best player because he played anyway.
 

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He got a knock against Blackburn and has since been able to play against Barcelona and come through a week of training. The injury wasn't aggravated until an hour into the game against Chelsea. There are just somethings you can't foresee.

Considering Rooney got the goal too I find it strange that you're questioning the decision to play him.
 

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He got a knock against Blackburn and has since been able to play against Barcelona and come through a week of training. The injury wasn't aggravated until an hour into the game against Chelsea. There are just somethings you can't foresee.

Considering Rooney got the goal too I find it strange that you're questioning the decision to play him.
You can't aggravate an injury that isn't already there to be aggravated. If his injury had gone then he can't aggravate it , it would have to be a new injury otherwise. His injury had to vulnerable otherwise he wouldn't have aggravated it. What's more playing on your own against a highly physical back four is asking for trouble. I personally don't remember rooney taking a massive knock , that means he must have been slightly injured going into the match to have aggravated it relatively easily. It's just illogical to say that he was not carrying a knock and hasn't been since the blackburn game. There was no freaky challenge on him , nothing I saw, the only conclusion is that he wasn't quite fit , so playing him runs completely against what fergie said he was trying to achieve. I'm bemused by this.

Personally I would have played him anyway , but according to fergie the whole point of playing a weaker team was to focus on rest and barca. How does playing a player who has a knock (even a slight one) fit in with fergie's stated goal? Tevez looks fresher to me and was not carrying a knock , and might well have scored as well. Are you saying tevez would not have taken that chance? Anyway rooney's goal meant nothing because we played for a draw and sat deep and conceded.

I doubt you can come up with a logical reason for saying either that rooney was not slightly injured or that playing him was good prepraration for barca. Playing rooney is an example to me of a manager in two minds - if he was going to rest players then he should have rested them.
 

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You can't aggravate an injury that isn't already there to be aggravated. If his injury had gone then he can't aggravate it , it would have to be a new injury otherwise. His injury had to vulnerable otherwise he wouldn't have aggravated it. What's more playing on your own against a highly physical back four is asking for trouble. I personally don't remember rooney taing a massive knock , that means he must have been slightly injured going into the match. It's just illogical to say that he was not carrying a knock and hasn't been since the blackburn game.
I never said the injury had gone.

I just said he managed to play 150 mins of football and train for a week without aggravating the injury so how could Fergie predict that it would flare up again?
 

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I never said the injury had gone.

I just said he managed to play 150 mins of football and train for a week without aggravating the injury so how could Fergie predict that it would flare up again?
He can't predict it obviously , but his stated aim was obviously to risk the chance of defeat by resting players for barca. Everyone knows this. Therefore , why risk the chance of rooney aggravating an injury? Anyone who knows football knows how easy it is for a recent old injury to flare up. Fergie had to balance the risk of letting chelsea back in against the risk of knackering his best players for barca. Having assessed that risk he chose to prioritise barca. Therefore logic dictates that rooney should not play and he should follow through on his stated philosophy . Otherwise you might as well play your best team anyway and be done with it. It's a bit like erikson when he took walcott to germany , when the time came he went back on his judgement. It didn't add up.

If you are in the business of resting players for an up coming big match then you look at a player like rooney who has had a recent knock and is not 100% and put him down as a priority to rest. You look at a player like tevez and say to yourself "he's not carrying an injury and he's had quite a bit of rest already " . Rooney on the bench - open and shut case. You also look at the position where you can afford injury and where you can't.
 

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He can't predict it obviously , but his stated aim was obviously to risk the chance of defeat by resting players for barca. Everyone knows this. Therefore , why risk the chance of rooney aggravating an injury? Anyone who knows football knows how easy it is for a recent old injury to flare up. Fergie had to balance the risk of letting chelsea back in against the risk of knackering his best players for barca. Having assessed that risk he chose to prioritise barca. Therefore logic dictates that rooney should not play and he should follow through on his stated philosophy . Otherwise you might as well play your best team anyway and be done with it. It's a bit like erikson when he took walcott to germany , when the time came he went back on his judgement. It didn't add up.

If you are in the business of resting players for an up coming big match then you look at a player like rooney who has had a recent knock and is not 100% and put him down as a priority to rest. You look at a player like tevez and say to yourself "he's not carrying an injury and he's had quite a bit of rest already " . Rooney on the bench - open and shut case. You also look at the position where you can afford injury and where you can't.
I see what you're saying but perhaps Fergie thought there was little chance of the injury flaring up again. I'm sure he would have taken advice from his medical team.

Ronaldo has played in almost every game this season. Tevez didn't have a pre-season, didn't know who he was playing for until a couple of weeks into the season and was then thrown straight into the mix because of Rooney getting injured. Maybe Fergie thought those 2 needed a rest and with Saha injured Rooney was the only other option up front.

Unfortunately, that's all guesswork. I'd love to be able to ask Fergie what his thinking before the game was.

Also, my understanding was that Ronaldo was about to come on for Anderson when Rooney said he couldn't continue so why didn't he bring Tevez on for Rooney and continue as planned by swapping Anderson for Ronaldo? I know that after Vidic's injury this would have left us with no substitutions but we were on the front foot having just scored.
 

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That team he put out at Chelsea should have been capable of drawing,thats what we wanted and thats what he thought he would get.
 

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But he also wanted to make sure he had his best players out there for barca ....so why play rooney carrying a knock?
 

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I felt such concern once he sort of pushed Nani and Fletch away after scoring
clealry not wanting to celebrate.

I'd say he won't play the full Barce game and wouldn't be surprised to see him
start on the bench and coming on.

Hope he recovers soo though, as we've already seen his amazing healing powers!
 

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he is injured non dangerous injury
Rooney a doubt
Sir Alex Ferguson's weekend went from bad to worse when he learned Wayne Rooney is a major doubt for tomorrow night's Champions League clash with Barcelona and the game has been entrusted to one of his least favourite referees. Rooney has been receiving intensive treatment since Manchester United's loss to Chelsea after aggravating the hip injury he originally suffered at Blackburn the previous weekend. And German official Herbert Fandel, who sent off Roy Keane for an alleged stamp on Porto keeper Vitor Baia four years ago and dismissed Paul Scholes against Roma last season, will take charge at Old Trafford. When told earlier this season that Fandel was to referee a United group game, Ferguson asked: "Have we got a supply of Mogadon?" Barca lost 2-0 on Saturday night to Deportivo La Coruna.
Ian Ladyman, Daily Mail
 

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Keano! said:
as we've already seen his amazing healing powers!
This is a major problem if Rooney is not fit !!!

In all but one of the games we have lost - Rooney was absent !!

Against Villa we looked doomed, desperate and a complete debacle.

Enter Rooney and immediately United looked like a team posessed !!!

They tore Villa apart !!

Two goals in 20 minutes - thankyou, goodnight now it's time to go home !!

I would swap Rooney right now for ANY other member of the team (yes even
Ronnie) if he could be fit for tonight !!

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lets all pray togther for rooney and his hip
Yes Fazzy Man, let's all drop to our knees and pray.
Not what I usually drop to my knees for but hey, anything for a United win :eek:

The Rooney's Prayer !

"Our Rooney who art in the sick bay
Chanted be your name
Thy stadium awaits
Thy will come
Old Trafford as it was at Nou Camp.
Give us today our weekly goals
And forgive those that don't score.
As we forgive those that don't sing !
Lead us not into semi final oblivion
But deliver us to the final !
For thine is Moscow stadium
The power, The Glory
For ever and ever
Rooooooooooney !!!!
 

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carlyluvsunited said:
"Our Rooney who art in the sick bay
Chanted be your name
Thy stadium awaits
Thy will come
Old Trafford as it was at Nou Camp.
Give us today our weekly goals
And forgive those that don't score.
As we forgive those that don't sing !
Lead us not into semi final oblivion
But deliver us to the final !
For thine is Moscow stadium
The power, The Glory
For ever and ever
Rooooooooooney !!!![/b]
lol nice chant carly
it is not confirmed that he is going to play or he will not
looks like he will be a surprise
 

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carlyluvsunited said:
It's actually 'The Lord's Prayer' slightly amended to be of use to United fans.
realy the lords prayer is changed into rooney chant :D
i bet rooney gone play tonight we need him
rooney scored in cech net and it is harder than valdes net = rooney gona score alot
but until now there is no any information weather he is going to play or not:(

hope he will play and hope united go to moscow :)
 

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carlyluvsunited said:
The Rooney's Prayer !

"Our Rooney who art in the sick bay
Chanted be your name
Thy stadium awaits
Thy will come
Old Trafford as it was at Nou Camp.
Give us today our weekly goals
And forgive those that don't score.
As we forgive those that don't sing !
Lead us not into semi final oblivion
But deliver us to the final !
For thine is Moscow stadium
The power, The Glory
For ever and ever
Rooooooooooney !!!!
I like it.

Manchester United is my religion and I will join you in prayer.

Anyone got some bread and wine? :D
 

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never thought of this...but seems you are right...tevez should have played and rooney rested
but we cant do anything about it....
roney will/will not play and if he doesnt then we wil have a problem....
we have to win this and if rooney is injured we wil have to do it without him...
 
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