should england play foriegn born players in our national team ?

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haggler

Discussion Starter · Jun 9, 2008

heard a debate earlier on talk sport about the number of foriegn players in french team for example in euro 2008 . they all seem to be at it so should we do like jack charlton and domenech ?

for me if you were not born in a country you should not play for the national side .

look at germany last night ---- best two players were poles and podolski didnt even celebrate his goals

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G

· #2 · Jun 9, 2008

I bet a small percentage of the French
national side are born in France. They're
all born in French colonies or lived in France
from an early age. Zidane was Moroccan.

I think we could do that but who do you
have in mind Hagglesworth?

cjl_safcfan

· #3 · Jun 9, 2008

we are so bad, we need to

haggler

Discussion Starter · #4 · Jun 9, 2008

i think its wrong and france germany etc should be made to only field players born in home country

frenchie

· #5 · Jun 9, 2008

haggler said:
i think its wrong and france germany etc should be made to only field players born in home country

fully agree mate..

thedude

· #6 · Jun 9, 2008

Is there a talent pool of foreign players who could play for England that are talented enough to make the English squad?
Its not like many foreign players have their English citizenship and havent played for their country because the EPL has the 'Work Permit' regulation.

spellbound

· #7 · Jun 9, 2008

-zuco- said:
I bet a small percentage of the French
national side are born in France. They're
all born in French colonies or lived in France
from an early age. Zidane was Moroccan.

I think we could do that but who do you
have in mind Hagglesworth?

Sorry Zuco, Zidane was born in France, Marseille. And he holds dual citizenships, a French and an Algerian. He's not a Moroccan.

And the talk about "non-french'...what is french by the way. 1998 when they were the WC host France wasnt really supporting the team. The far-right nationalist politician and xenophobic Jean-Marie Le Pen even said the national team was a disgrace because of all the black players in the team. With the success througout the tournament the people joined the suppoter masses following the team. Since then Zidane and the other with an immigrant background, or 2nd generation immigrants, were heroes. I guess its just the same ugly face like back then. Its eight years ago since France with their 'foregin' players won something.

eoininho

· #8 · Jun 9, 2008

-zuco- said:
Zidane was Moroccan.

He's Algerian ya, Zinadine Zidane means 'gift from god' in an Algerian language..
ya the French are a little different cos all of the players they have were entitled to have French passports.. obviously its not the same for the former British Colonies or you lot would've done the same!
You'll definitely have a few in the English team before long.. the likes of Almunia, maybe guys like Denilson or the Brazilian twins if they come good will line up for England!
Wasn't Hargreaves born in Canada??
You've already done it in Rugby Union with Vainakolo (what ever his name is) and Kieran Bracken before him

G

· #9 · Jun 9, 2008

spellbound said:
Sorry Zuco, Zidane was born in France, Marseille. And he holds dual citizenships, a French and an Algerian. He's not a Moroccan.

Moroccan, Algerian, what's the difference?

RichardsReds

· #10 · Jun 9, 2008

Name the English players you have in mind??

Hargreaves for instance are you talking about.

Who do you really mean?

eoininho

· #11 · Jun 9, 2008

frenchie said:
fully agree mate..

do you ever disagree with any1..?!!

Dynamite

· #12 · Jun 9, 2008

haggler said:
heard a debate earlier on talk sport about the number of foriegn players in french team for example in euro 2008 . they all seem to be at it so should we do like jack charlton and domenech ?

for me if you were not born in a country you should not play for the national side .

look at germany last night ---- best two players were poles and podolski didnt even celebrate his goals

I agree with you haggler & the same regards with coaches as well!!

hafiz_shukri00391

· #13 · Jun 10, 2008

GK--- Englishman (Italian Born)
RB--- Englishman (Italian Born)
CB--- Englishman (True Englishman)
CB--- Englishman (France Born)
LB--- Englishman (Portugese Born)
RM--- Englishman (Holland Born)
CM--- Englishman ( True Englishman)
CM--- Englishman (true englishman)
LM--- Englishman (Morroco born)
ST--- Englishman (Spaniard born)
ST--- ENglishman (Brazilian born)

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RedForceRising

· #14 · Jun 10, 2008

If your parents are from a country, what difference does it make that you were born in one location versus another? Your genetic material is still the same.

See Hargreaves. Both of his parents are from England, but he was born in Canada.

On the other hand, what if a person has lived in a country his whole life soon after being born in another. He might have some association to the country of his birth, but if you were to ask him where he is from, he would definitely say the country he grew up in.

Lukas Podolski has lived in Germany since the age of two and even though he speaks some Polish, he definitely considers himself German and is probably more patriotic than most.

This is very different from the french players who have become naturalised citizens or who were born in a French colony.

These player spent most of their lives outside of France AND their parents are not from France.

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haggler

Discussion Starter · #15 · Jun 10, 2008

RedForceRising said:
If your parents are from a country, what difference does it make that you were born in one location versus another? Your genetic material is still the same.

See Hargreaves. Both of his parents are from England, but he was born in Canada.

On the other hand, what if a person has lived in a country his whole life soon after being born in another. He might have some association to the country of his birth, but if you were to ask him where he is from, he would definitely say the country he grew up in.

Lukas Podolski has lived in Germany since the age of two and even though he speaks some Polish, he definitely considers himself German and is probably more patriotic than most.

This is very different from the french players who have become naturalised citizens or who were born in a French colony.

These player spent most of their lives outside of France AND their parents are not from France.

thats the german part of you speaking there !!! guess what i was born in rinteln near hannover and i couldnt play for germany as it was a british military hospital so classed as britain - i have 2 birth certs as well .they wanted me badly but i couldnt play for them and my principles meant i had to say no to sir bobby robson too .

RedForceRising

· #16 · Jun 11, 2008

haggler said:
thats the german part of you speaking there !!! guess what i was born in rinteln near hannover and i couldnt play for germany as it was a british military hospital so classed as britain - i have 2 birth certs as well .they wanted me badly but i couldnt play for them and my principles meant i had to say no to sir bobby robson too .

Haggler, Du darfst in meiner Mannschaft spielen!

frenchie

· #17 · Jun 11, 2008

eoininho said:
do you ever disagree with any1..?!!

not often,i'm a placid girl me.lol

reddwarf

· #18 · Jun 11, 2008

I think we need to rebuild the British Empire - let's start with Brazil

If people think of themselves as English and qualify through their parents, grandparents or whatever then I don't see a problem with them playing for the national side.

We've already got the likes of Kevin Pietersen (born in South Africa) in our cricket team and Lesley Vainikolo (born in Tonga) in our rugby union team.

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