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Well its not exactly been the best preseason so far has it . Since that memorable night in Moscow all we have had to listen to as United supporters is about how a player who lets face it is/was idolised at Old Trafford looking to get as far from the club as he possibly can . Then to top it all off it looks like our second in command is doing a runner too.
Im sorry but did we not just retain the league and win the CL . What sort of fools are these guys . When will Carlos Queirez realise he's not cut out to be a manager . For ****s sake he only lasted one season at Madrid . They sacked him at the drop of a hat , you would think he would be plotting how to gain revenge on them .
I've just seen Ronaldo's interview in Lisbon on sky news . Well I was of the opinion that maybe things he said have been taken out of context and twisted as the media do . Not any longer . Its as plain as the nose on your face that he wants out . No two ways about it .
Fergie must be doing his nut at the moment . Get the boy back to Manchester now . He's swanning around Portugal as he pleases . He's not on holidays anymore so get his arse on the next flight back to the club he is under contract to and who hold his registration .

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What the hell.

Firstly, Slaves don't earn £120k a week and live a life of luxury. If the system wasn't in place the way it is, players would just change clubs every 6 months depending on which club offers the most money. Football would just fall apart.

Secondly, Carlos Queiroz wasn't given a chance to succeed at Real Madrid. He was told who to put on the pitch and the club sold and bought players without his consent. He was never in charge so no one really knows how he would fare as a manager.

Thirdly, it has always been obvious Ronaldo wants to leave. The betrayal and disrespect he has shown United is why we all dislike him. I doubt Ronaldo forgot that every high profile player to have a high profile transfer while still having several years left of contract has been hated by the original fans ever since. Zidane, fat Ronaldo, Figo etc. Ronaldo simply doesn't care.

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ManUtd19 said:
Secondly, Carlos Queiroz wasn't given a chance to succeed at Real Madrid. He was told who to put on the pitch and the club sold and bought players without his consent. He was never in charge so no one really knows how he would fare as a manager.
Thats exactly what I was going to say.

And, being a club manager and a national "manager" are two completely different things.

The one major difference being at international level, your not a manager, your a head coach which is completely different, and since Queiroz is a fantastic coach he may well do well with Portugal.

Hopefully he does, and I wish him well.

Also, I can understand why he has left and I have no problems with it. Being given the opportunity to manage your country is the highest honour you can receive. I've continually said I think its the only job he would have left for.

I say good luck to him.

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Just come across this article which fits this thread like a glove.

What a farcical and unproductive summer so far indeed as compared to our main rivals. You will see that Ronaldo the Brat clearly dominated things with his I-am-staying-but-hey-maybe-not antics and probably must have distracted Fergie somewhat in the transfer market...

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Manchester United summer transfers

All the latest transfer news and speculation from Manchester United football club.


Davide Petrucci; from Roma; free

Kieran Lee; to Oldham; free transfer
Gerard Piqué; to Barcelona; undisclosed


11 July: Cristiano Ronaldo declared last night that he agreed with the Fifa president Sepp Blatter's assertion that Manchester United should stop treating him like a "modern-day slave" and release him to Real Madrid.

10 July: FIFA president Sepp Blatter believes Cristiano Ronaldo should be allowed to leave Manchester United for Real Madrid if he so desires.

9 July: Burnley manager Owen Coyle is hoping to sign Manchester United winger Chris Eagles in what could be a club-record transfer. Eagles, 22, has found opportunities limited at Old Trafford since making his debut in October 2003, and has not made a first-team appearance since last December.

8 July: Steve Coppell believes Cristiano Ronaldo would be taking a step down if he left Manchester United to join Real Madrid. (PA)

6 July: Real Madrid president Ramon Calderon has seemingly conceded defeat in his pursuit of Cristiano Ronaldo after admitting "the most likely scenario" is that the winger will stay with Manchester United. (PA)

6 July: Ajax striker Klaas Jan Huntelaar claims Manchester United are "very interested" in signing him. "I know certain English clubs are following me, like Manchester United, who are very interested in me," he told Dutch reporters. (PA)

6 July: Real Madrid president Ramon Calderon insists no discussions have yet been held with Manchester United over the possible transfer of Cristiano Ronaldo. And Calderon is adamant that nothing will happen until the Spanish champions are given the go-ahead by the Old Trafford hierarchy. (PA)

2 July: Cristiano Ronaldo again refused to comment on his future tonight as he returned to Portugal to set a date for ankle surgery. (PA)

1 July: Sir Alex Ferguson is considering a request from newly-promoted Coca-Cola Championship outfit Swansea to take young striker Fabian Brandy on loan. (PA)

1 July: Sir Alex Ferguson expects the end of Euro 2008 to herald a busy spell in the transfer market but insists Manchester United will not be rushing to spend. The United manager has targets, but after a season in which his team won the Barclays Premier League and Champions League he is confident in the quality they already possess and could settle on just one new arrival. Ferguson said: "The European Championship derails transfer activity. Nothing really happens when the championships are on. Obviously, now that is all over, people settle down. Managers are back at their clubs and you can get some dialogue now if they are interested, but I wouldn't think (we would buy) any more than one player. We are looking at one or two things."

Ferguson will continue to monitor movement in the market but does not see many transfer dealings being straightforward.He said: "People think it's easy to buy players nowadays, but it's not because money plays a big part first of all. Clubs with ambitions don't want to sell their best players, so it's not as easy as you'd think and we tend to look for younger ones." (PA)

30 June: Sir Alex Ferguson's hopes of fending off Real Madrid's interest in Cristiano Ronaldo were dealt a blow when the Uefa president, Michel Platini, said the Spanish side's courting of the winger has been "normal".

United had an official complaint against Real rejected by Fifa two weeks ago. Now Platini has said this summer's public war of words has been blown out of proportion. "Every club in the world would like to have Ronaldo," he said. "It's part of the system we have today. Players move from club to club. If [Real Madrid] have the finances, they can do it; if they don't have the money, then they can't."

30 June: According to reports yesterday, the Manchester United manager, Sir Alex Ferguson, has promised Premier League newcomers Hull City first option on taking the 20-year-old striker Fraizer Campbell on loan again next season at the KC Stadium. Campbell spent last season on loan at Hull, scoring 15 goals in 34 games. The Tigers' manager Phil Brown wants to make Campbell a permanent signing, and had a £4m offer rejected. The Aston Villa manager, Martin O'Neill, is also reported to be interested in the England Under-21 international.

26 June: Real Madrid president Ramon Calderon today reiterated the Spanish champions are "passive spectators" in the Cristiano Ronaldo saga. The capital club's conduct has angered United, who reported Madrid to world governing body FIFA over what they considered to be attempts to unsettle the player. FIFA refused to take any formal action, however, and Calderon is adamant his club have done nothing wrong. "I suppose they think we have intervened in some way," he told Madrid radio station City FM. "But it's not like that and that's the truth. We know that it's something between the player and Manchester United. If the player continues to insist that he wants to come and if United will consider letting him go, then we'll ask. If the price is right and everyone's happy, then it won't turn sour.

"I prefer not to talk much about him because he is a United player. We are in this situation as passive spectators, but his declarations have provoked a lot of expectation. Nevertheless that is not enough because the player belongs to United, a great club that we are friends with, and we don't want to interfere.

"If it was me, it would make me proud that the big clubs were asking about our players." (PA)

25 June: Bordeaux have conceded defeat in their bid to sign Mikaël Silvestre. The Manchester United defender had been strongly linked with a move back to France. But Les Girondins president Jean-Louis Triaud admits the lure of a lucrative testimonial for the 30-year-old has put the brakes on the switch.

24 June: Manchester United assistant manager Carlos Queiroz has advised Cristiano Ronaldo to remain at Old Trafford. (PA)

24 June: Bordeaux have conceded defeat in their bid to sign Manchester United defender Mikael Silvestre.

24 June: Cristiano Ronaldo's future at Manchester United remains up in the air after the Portuguese winger went on holiday yesterday.

22 June: Real Madrid coach Bernd Schuster has urged his club to "pay what is necessary" to take Manchester United star Cristiano Ronaldo to the Bernabeu. (PA)

21 June: The battle of wills between Cristiano Ronaldo and Manchester United looks set to continue for some time as the in-demand winger signalled his intention to "take advantage of a great opportunity" - just hours after the club insisted any offers for the player will fall on deaf ears. (PA)

20 June: Real Madrid midfielder Wesley Sneijder believes Cristiano Ronaldo could help the Spanish champions win a 10th European Cup should speculation about a move from Manchester United prove correct. (PA)

20 June: Manchester United have confirmed Cristiano Ronaldo is "not for sale" despite comments from the player that he is considering his future at the club. (PA)

19 June: Real Madrid say they are waiting for Portugal winger Cristiano Ronaldo to make the first move that would allow them to start negotiations with Manchester United over a possible transfer. "We are waiting for Ronaldo to say something, and as soon as he says he wants to play for Real Madrid there will be conversations between the two clubs," Real's director general of the presidency Miguel Angel Arroyo was quoted as saying in sports daily Marca on Thursday. (PA)

17 June: Schalke midfielder Jermaine Jones has revealed he is "proud" of reported interest from Manchester United. The holding player, who narrowly missed out on a place in Germany's squad for Euro 2008, has been linked with a move to the Barclays Premier League champions in the German press. (PA)

17 June: Although no action was taken, Fifa did issue a warning to Real of the consequences of inducing the Portugal winger to breach his contract. (PA)

(to be continued...)

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14 June: Arjen Robben would welcome the competition provided by Cristiano Ronaldo at Real Madrid should the Manchester United winger complete a move to the Spanish champions later this summer. "It's only good for me and good for the team" he said. (PA)

14 June: Roma teenager Davide Petrucci claims the offer of a job as a gardener for his father helped persuade him to leave Italy for Manchester United. The 16-year-old is reportedly set to move to Old Trafford but the Italian club will receive only £200,000 in compensation for a player who scored 14 goals in 19 youth team matches last season. (PA)

13 June: Striker Karim Benzema is set to remain with Lyon until after the 2010 World Cup, according to the club's president Jean-Michel Aulas, despite being linked with Manchester United.

12 June: Injury-plagued striker Louis Saha seems certain to leave at some stage this summer, with Bolton boss Gary Megson among those said to be interested in the former Fulham man.

12 June: Patrice Evra has signed a four-year contract extension that will keep him at the club until 2012.

10 June: Lyon forward Karim Benzema has added to Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson's woes by admitting he would prefer a move to Real Madrid over Old Trafford. (PA)

10 June: Cardiff teenager Aaron Ramsey has chosen to move to Arsenal rather than Manchester United.

8 June: Cardiff teenager Aaron Ramsey will get to choose between Premier League rivals Manchester United, Arsenal and Everton after holding talks with all three clubs. (PA)

7 June: Manchester United defender Gary Neville is convinced Cristiano Ronaldo is at the "right club" and will shun a move to Real Madrid. (PA)

7 June: Barcelona look to have beaten a host of English clubs to the signature of Brazilian right-back Daniel Alves. They have reportedly agreed a deal with La Liga rivals Sevilla. The player has been strongly linked to Chelsea, Manchester United and Liverpool at various points over recent seasons. (PA)

7 June: Rio Ferdinand has urged team-mate Cristiano Ronaldo to stay at the club and help lead them to more trophies. (PA)

6 June: Blackburn striker Roque Santa Cruz could be set for a move to the red half of Manchester. "The interest from Manchester United is real" he said. (PA)

5 June: Real Madrid striker Ruud van Nistelrooy believes the Spanish champions will sign Cristiano Ronaldo as they are "a club which signs the best in the world". Ronaldo himself was quoted today as saying, "I would like to play for Real Madrid but only if it is true they are ready to pay what Manchester United ask of them. However, it does not depend on me." (PA)

4 June: Manchester United, Everton and Arsenal have all had bids, in the region of £5m, accepted by Cardiff for 17-year-old Aaron Ramsay. Liverpool are also expected to table an offer. (PA)

3 June: Manchester United have agreed a fee with Cardiff for the transfer of Aaron Ramsey. (PA)

2 June: Cristiano Ronaldo has confirmed he will make an announcement on his future plans in the next "two to three days".

2 June: Real Madrid winger Robinho claims he could be used as a makeweight in a deal to take Manchester United winger Cristiano Ronaldo to Spain. (PA)


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What I was trying to say is that great coaches don't necessarily make great managers. Brian Kidd comes to mind as does Steve Mc Claren . After all one of the reasons Carlos took the Portugal job was because David Gill could not guarantee he would automatically succeed Fergie when he retires .
But our loss is definitely Portugals gain . I do wish him every success and you never know he might come back as manager one day .

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What I was trying to say is that great coaches don't necessarily make great managers. Brian Kidd comes to mind as does Steve Mc Claren . After all one of the reasons Carlos took the Portugal job was because David Gill could not guarantee he would automatically succeed Fergie when he retires .
But our loss is definitely Portugals gain . I do wish him every success and you never know he might come back as manager one day .
But managing a national team and a club team are totally different though.

To manage a national team, you need to be a great coach, which Carlos is.

I believe one of the reasons McClaren did not succeed was because he doesn't have a real knowledge of continental football, which Carlos does.

I hope he does well, but I can't see him coming back to manage us.

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People need to stop caring what others think especially some of our rivals

If Ronaldo leaves, he leaves and we will move on and continue winning
If not, we will win with him yet again

No matter what we do, our rivals will look down on us and/or mock us

Pointless to try and worry about that garbage
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