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Sorry if this has already been done. And sorry for it being a bit late. Just got back from my holiday and watched the England game there.

Now I dont rate Cole anyway as a player. But did he deserve the boos he received????
 

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I'm torn on this issue.

I really don't like Ashley Cole and did find it funny when the fans started booing him. If Rooney, Beckham or Gerrard had made the same mistake I guarantee that no fans would have booed them. 'Cashley' stands for all that is wrong in the game today - he's driven by money, left Arsenal to join one of their rivals, has no respect for the officials, is arrogant about how good he is (which to be fair is very good) and I guess people are jealous that he has an incredibly hot wife.

I can understand the team getting booed when playing badly but singling out one player can shatter their confidence, still effect team morale and makes a mockery of people calling themselves 'supporters'. I didn't like it when they did it to Lampard and I would be annoyed if they started doing it to any United player...so I guess I would be a hypocrite if I said it was ok just because I'm not a fan of Cole.
 

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I know Ferdinand made a huge mistake and nearly cost us a goal. He didnt get boo'ed. But I cant stand Cole, and am actually quite happy he got boo'ed.

As for Cheryl Cole. She weighs 6 stone. How can that be sexy?
 

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I know Ferdinand made a huge mistake and nearly cost us a goal. He didnt get boo'ed. But I cant stand Cole, and am actually quite happy he got boo'ed.

As for Cheryl Cole. She weighs 6 stone. How can that be sexy?
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Holy Moley how come you saying that Cheryl ain't sexy ? :eek:

explain :rolleyes:


btw i didn't like that Cole got booed but he is a disgraceful rat who is even hated by many Chelsea fans and probably one of the most hated footballers in the country

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booing your own player ain't something to be proud of (unless when booing ronaldo is just love it :D ) but i guess English players get booed because it it Club over Country for most of the fans, so Liverpool fans supporting england would be Neville etc..
 

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As for Cheryl Cole. She weighs 6 stone. How can that be sexy?
She's been in the FHM top 100 for the last 6 years in a row :p

I think the Chelsea factor is part of it and so is the location of Wembley i.e. London. I bet the people who started booing Lampard were West Ham fans, the people who were booing Cole were Arsenal fans and the people who booed John Terry at the NFL game last October were ABC (anyone but Chelsea) fans.
 

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When the gap in life of a Premier League footballer and the average Joe is getting wider and wider this is what the players have to get used to. When the paying fans is struggling every month to get the bills paid and they have to sacrifice something to be able to see the games live and there's this greedy generation of players who cry like babies if they dont get a new deal. How many weeks do you have to work to earn £100k?

I dont say its good what they did to boo him but in what world are they living who call them names who did just that,boo? Maybe just Ashley Cole is a more controversal name then most of the players but I can understand the frustration of the crowd.
How much did they have to cough up for the ticket?

Its something else to make fun of a player before the game starts and during the game....and to show their feelings.
 

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BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

Peeple rr maken fun off me for doen sumthin stoopid

Needs to grow a pair if this affected him.

If you cant handle a little friendly jibe then how the **** are you going to cope playing teams with more of a rep than Kazakhstan? You aren't.
 

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blondedevil said:
Sorry if this has already been done. And sorry for it being a bit late. Just got back from my holiday and watched the England game there.

Now I dont rate Cole anyway as a player. But did he deserve the boos he received????
Yes in way because he is getting paid a lot of money and I always believe when players are playing for their own country they should be playing for free or a charity.
 

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Yes in way because he is getting paid a lot of money and I always believe when players are playing for their own country they should be playing for free or a charity.
very true, fans dont pay money to see a £100,000 + player to do that even with his strong foot. Evra would'nt have done that, Evra is the best.

lol at ashley cole
 

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you support England,then it's wrong to boo an english player.no matter which team he plays for.
Spot on. I would go as far to say there is no opinion on this. If you think otherwise you are surely wrong.

The money paid to see the team is a non starter. If you are enough of a mug to pay £50 for a ticket then thats your call. I did it once for Wembley and it wont be happening in the foreseeable future, I can tell you that. Football is only so expensive because we make it so. If no one paid the ticket price I can guarentee they would go down. Thats business. Why should the FA charge less than that if 90,000 people will pay it.

On the issue of being booed for doing something stupid and being able to handle it (poster just above) thats ridiculous too. Against a bigger rep side against a hostile crowd you will expect away fans to laugh at you if you **** up and ironically cheer whenever you get the ball, but you dont expect to be goaded by your own fans.

Now I hate Cashley as much as the next person but I would never boo an England player. We are lucky to have such a talented left back playing for a team we are supposed to support. Booing the team as a whole after a poor performance is more understandable but I wouldnt do that either.

So as Capello and Rio said post match, the fans in question are a disgrace, their conduct is appalling and they not only embarass themselves but shame England fans as a whole.

Anyone who disagrees with me, I will expect to hear you booing at OT (or for most of you, at ur TV's) everytime Ronaldo receives the ball, after the next time he trips over the ball attempting one of his tricks. After all, he is paid a lot and all the fans paid £50 for a ticket.
 

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for his mistake in the shouting at the guy was ok as nearly everbody does at a match for a stupid error....until they kick off again 30 seconds later then forget it. don't boo the guy for that once the match gets going again and don't boo him for any other reason- if your an england fan it is stupid to boo a player like that, the same with lampard and anyone else. while ther eon the pitch for england and your and england fan that's your international team and they are your players.
criticise etc after the match, not while the guys are out there - no matter who they are...(even if it is cashley and that guy is a total ****)
 

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I know Ferdinand made a huge mistake and nearly cost us a goal. He didnt get boo'ed. But I cant stand Cole, and am actually quite happy he got boo'ed.
OMG I totally agree with that statement, Ashley cole deserves all the boos he gets, he has only himself to blame, nobody boos Ferdinand coz he is class and he scored for us so he can be forgiven:)
 

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cashley cole sold his soul , for money that is.
i have no sympathy for him what so ever , he should never have left arsenal because at the time they were still bigger than chelsea (and still are in my opinion)and his move was financialy orientated .
I also remember them dumb londoners booing every time scholes neville beckham butt etc touched the ball , and then singing i"f you hate manyoooo staaand aaap" i was hoping fergie would pull all our players out of the ingerlund squad at the time.
the trouble is the national stadium should have been located in the midlands , or up north the true hotbed of football.
it is long long way for northeners to go and watch england then get ripped off by ****ney prices.
the londoners are about as stupid as they come
 

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From Eurosport:

Early Doors never thought it would see anybody leap to Ashley Cole's defence.

This is a man who embodies everything odious about the modern game. Who left his boyhood club to chase money; who became the face (or the back) of anti-respect when he turned away from a referee; who played the field despite landing a pop star wife; who published a remarkably self-pitying autobiography that sold only 4000 copies.

Now he is cast as a victim after England fans booed him for his calamitous pass that led to Kazakhstan's goal on Saturday.

Words like 'disgraceful', 'mindless' and 'idiots' are bandied about by players, managers and pundits who reach the po-faced conclusion that anyone who booed Cole is worse than Hitler.

First of all, there is the namby-pamby argument that nobody should be subjected to public ridicule.

Tell that to Ashley's more successful other half Cheryl, currently appearing on a TV programme that has spent the last two months laughing at poor saps who think they can sing but can't.

Next comes the claim that the fans are to blame for England's poor home record. Wembley will never become a fortress unless people get behind the team and show unwavering support.

Surely this puts the cart before the horse? Fans wouldn't be booing if the team wasn't so crap.

The crowd had already endured 68 minutes of utter tosh with some patience before Cole's party piece allowed Zhambyl Kukeyev to race through and score the most embarrassing goal England have conceded since Davide 'General' Gualtieri took just eight seconds to beat David Seaman for San Marino.

Rio Ferdinand also deserves blame, incidentally. If he had reacted to Cole's ricket as quickly as Kukeyev did, he would have cut the ball out easily.

Only then did the jeers rain down on Cole. But it is important to understand that he wasn't booed for the mistake as much as what the mistake represented.

For reasons that are painfully obvious, Early Doors doesn't condone booing people for incompetence. Cole was guilty of more than that.

That San Marino goal in 1993 came from another left-back error, by Stuart Pearce. He under-hit a backpass and San Marino scored. But it was merely rubbish, not reprehensible.

When people say Cole didn't make his mistake on purpose, they are wrong. Of course he did it on purpose.

ED doesn't mean he deliberately gave away a goal. But he knew that the pass was showy and risky, and he played it anyway because it was only Kazakhstan.

In nearly a decade of club football, has Cole ever done anything as stupid as that? (On the pitch, that is.) Would he ever, in a million years, think of doing that for Chelsea? Of course not.

Cole personified the entire England team, which was suffused with complacency. Where the 4-1 win in Croatia was full of urgency, drive and ambition, Saturday's match was totally flat.

England were so convinced that goals would come by divine right, they couldn't be bothered to make anything happen.

It was the same at the back. In the first half, rather than making an obvious clearance, Matthew Upson attempted a dangerous backpass to David James. Presumably because booting the ball into Row Z against such lowly opposition would have been embarrassing.

A couple of minutes before the first goal, Kazakhstan nearly scored after Cole was caught miles out of position.

Where was he? Vomiting on the floor of a black cab? Watching X-Factor? Debating some p*ss-take contract offer?

Clearly, England were not trying, and Cole was the worst offender.

Clubs and the FA are happy to view football as a product when it suits them. They take full advantage when people pay huge sums to consume football matches, replica shirts, Peter Crouch calendars and Wes Brown alarm clocks.

Despite this relentless commercialisation, there seems to remain an old-fashioned view that the people who shell out thousands of pounds a year for this tat should not be viewed as discriminating customers.

They are expected to shell out £70 a head for tickets, get a crappy old train to a dank corner of North-West London (no parking at English grounds, obviously), spend another tenner on a programme, then buy overpriced hot dogs and fizzy drinks.

And then they are expected not to complain when they see something as lifeless and complacent as the first 70 minutes against Kazakhstan?

Nobody is forcing people to come to football matches. If they are not entertained, they won't be back. That's business. And if you don't want football to be a business, bring prices back down to 1966 levels, when World Cup tickets set you back all of seven bob.

Otherwise, you must expect people to make their voices heard when they feel short-changed.

And who said unconditional support was the best way to help your team win, anyway? Why is it that fans are expected to sit there (sorry, stand there) and cheer, clap and whoop, whatever fetid tripe their team feeds them?

Managers who take this approach - well, Kevin Keegan - are ridiculed for it. There are times when you need a good old-fashion rollicking to sort things out - and the booing of Cole was the fans' version of the hairdryer treatment.

Players are mollycoddled and protected from reality enough as it is. Do they really need fans to overlook their failings and give them a pat on the back they clearly don't deserve?

England's performance in general - and Cole's in particular - was unacceptable and they needed to be told so.

Things improved markedly after the booing started - do you think it was a coincidence? Well, yes, it probably was.

The late glut of goals probably had less to do with the abuse meted out to Cole than England's realisation that defending set-pieces is no more a part of Kazakh culture than naked wrestling or the running of the Jew.

But it's fun to boo Ashley Cole.

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Disagree with the above? Well, you're in good company. Jonathan Symcox explains why booing simply isn't on. And Reda Maher agrees with him. Early Doors thinks they are both fools.

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QUOTE OF THE WEEKEND: Steven Gerrard: "It's up to the manager whether he plays me and Frank [Lampard] in central midfield or plays a three and changes the formation."

Only for the staggering arrogance in Gerrard's statement. It hasn't even occurred to him that he might be dropped.

EXCHANGE OF THE WEEKEND: Paul Dickov on Goals on Sunday, proving he is just as troublesome as a pundit as he was as a player.

Pleasingly, Robbie Savage was the target of his mischief, forcing Chris Kamara to defuse a potentially embarrassing situation.

Savage on Scotland 'striker' Chris Iwelumo: "I didn't expect to hear that sound coming out of his mouth."

Dickov: "Why?"

Savage: "Well, er.."

[Awkward silence...]

Kamara: "Because he's coloured!! HAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! It's OK, you can say it!!!"

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FOREIGN VIEW: Early Doors is bracing itself for the worst. Despite France coming from two goals down to draw in Romania on Saturday, the most entertaining man in international football could still get the push. The French FA meets on Wednesday to discuss Raymond Domenech's position.
 

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cashley cole sold his soul , for money that is.
i have no sympathy for him what so ever , he should never have left arsenal because at the time they were still bigger than chelsea (and still are in my opinion)and his move was financialy orientated .
I also remember them dumb londoners booing every time scholes neville beckham butt etc touched the ball , and then singing i"f you hate manyoooo staaand aaap" i was hoping fergie would pull all our players out of the ingerlund squad at the time.
the trouble is the national stadium should have been located in the midlands , or up north the true hotbed of football.
it is long long way for northeners to go and watch england then get ripped off by ****ney prices.
the londoners are about as stupid as they come

oh stretty .. stretty...not all londoners are dumb or stupid hun..don't believe in booing any player,and i don't think it matters which part of the country your from.England is supposed to be,about your national team,so cole is a greedy git fair enough,but our own players earn a fortune,and as for ****ney prices,well the whole game now is pricing out the real fans,so why pick on us DUMB londoners,you think it just happens in the south. think again.........
 

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booing is a ridiculous waste of energy,and while grown men boo cole,lampard and whoever else they feel like,it demoralises the team,and guess what..!! the next generation learns to do the same...get behind the boys....ALL of them,no matter which team they play for...no matter what the score........
 
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