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I believe that the top four are going to be the same this season as well, but I'd like to know how everyone think about the rest of the teams in the league. There are some teams who have the quality to beat anyone on their day, teams who compete in europe regulary. Who do you think has the potential to break into the top four in the near future ?

Tottenham : An ambitious club. They showed in the past couple of years that they have the quality to mount a challange for a champions league place. They have spent alot of money on new players and I think they are willing to spend even more to get into the champions league. With Ramos in charge, they have a manager who has the experience to compete with big boys and has already won plenty.

As a team, they still have some major weakness points. The midfield is just not good enough to challange the top four. They dont have a natural left winger in the entire squad and they lack depth and quality in defense. The strike-force they've got is arguebly the best in the league but the team behind it isnt good enough. Investing in a couple of top class midfielders and a centre back is a must.


Newcastle : a sleeping 'giant'. A magnificent stadium, a huge base of supporters and high, very high expectations. Many think with big Sam in charge, that they've got the right manager to take them forward. Is he the right manager ?

They have one of the best keeprs in the land. And I do rate the likes of Butt, Barton, Emre, Milner and Viduka highly. I believe their back four still needs time to settle before being judged. Baye and Faye are good defenders, so is Enrique. Steven Taylor hasnt improved as much as I think he should've. But the back four needs time. If they do that, and keep Owen fit then they can cause trouble to any team really. May I add that Nicky Butt has been absolutely brilliant for over a year. Class IS permanent.

Portsmouth : Slowly they are getting there. Harry has built a team of Athletes. Strong and agile eleven who are all quality players. A solid back five and some steel in midfield. Add the magical Kranjcer in the equation and you've got a really good team. I'm not sure that Benjani can carry on scoring like he has been and I dont know whats really going on with Nuggent, but signing a quality striker would push them even stronger up the table.

Blackburn : Mark Hughes is the 3rd best manager in the league behind Sir Alex and Wenger IMO. He's been building a side , a very good one, without spending much money. Quality all over the team. A very good keeper, a solid back four, a midfield with great variety and excellent strikers. If they can add a couple of quality defenders as back up then they would have a very healthy competition everywhere and it'll only make them stronger. I love watching them play. Fight and determination matched with quality, they play football the way it should be played.

Aston Villa : Martin O'neil has money to spend, and he spent it wisely on a few players. The likes of Young, Reo Coker, Petrov and Carew are certainly taking Villa up a level or two. A couple of players have done a brilliant job stepping up from the academy to premier league football. Agbonlahor's form has been excellent. Its frightening to know that he still has so much room to improve and yet he's a very good player already. Having Laursen back has made them even stronger. A top top defender, they just have to keep him fit.

Man City : A great manager with money to spend. Thats a scary thought. I dont want to talk about their current team, cause I think other than the back4 we'll be seeing many changes to it in the next year or so. Elano and Petrov have settled in well, and Hamann has found a new life, he's been very good this season.

Now, to my pick. Everton. If any team is going to break into the top four its them IMO. A very good manager, David Moyes has put in a great squad together. I really cant pick any fault in their team. Maybe they could do with an all around central midfielder, but other than that the team looks great. Howard, Neville, Yobo, Lescott and Baines make the back five. And its a very good back5. Arteta, Osman, Cahill are all quality midfielders. Great group of forwards as well. Everton are a very good team and the club is going in the right direction.

I thought about posting this in general football, but I wanted to discuss the teams in depth so I thought it fits here better. So who do you think are the newcomers ? And what would you add/change in the rest to make them top4 quality teams ?
 

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i think out of the teams you mentioned there, Everton and City are the only 1s who can really push, they aren't necessarily the best teams in that list; arguably Spurs are but they are the most consistent both have v good managers and have bags of potential.

I think City will push Liverpool to the wire this year, and I hope they do it!!!
 

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I'm not talking about this season, Im talking about english football state in general. Up until 2004 it was only the big two, and now its the big four but its not gonna last forever. Who do you think has the potential as a club first of all and then as a current team to break into the elite ?
 

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well the top 4 really refers to the champions league teams, where all the money is and where you can attract top players.. there will never be a 'big 5 'unless another champions league spot is given

the only team i think with the potential to displace any of the big 4 would be City cos they have money, a big stadium, big support, and most importantly a manager who can attract desirable players and has great contacts and scouting networks around europe!!

so ya if any1s gonna do it it'll be City and Liverpool will be the one to lose out in my opinion due to their SHIT league form!!
 

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Firstly great post! i think everton are the best out of that group just ahead of city... if everton are 2 make the step into the top four i think they need a couple of good defenders 4 back up but apart from that there a very good team.
As for city they need 2 decent strikers and need to strenghten in the defence.
 

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eoininho said:
well the top 4 really refers to the champions league teams, where all the money is and where you can attract top players.. there will never be a 'big 5 'unless another champions league spot is given
I disagree with that part. Newcastle and Leeds were competing in the champions league earlier in the decade but no one considered them among the 'elite' at the time. The top teams are the one who show dominance over a sustained period of time and as the current 'top4' have been finishing on top for a few seasons now, they've earned that name tag.

It used to be the big6 before, and it changed depending on the circumstances and it is going to keep on changing cause nothing stays the same.
 

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I disagree with that part. Newcastle and Leeds were competing in the champions league earlier in the decade but no one considered them among the 'elite' at the time. The top teams are the one who show dominance over a sustained period of time and as the current 'top4' have been finishing on top for a few seasons now, they've earned that name tag.

It used to be the big6 before, and it changed depending on the circumstances and it is going to keep on changing cause nothing stays the same.
your right newcastle and leeds did play in the CL, what i really mean is a team needs to establish themselves as you say a member of the 'big 4' which essentially means qualifying for the CL year on year and using both the money generated from that as well as their inflated stature to attract top players to ensure it wasnt a fluke top four finish like everton a few years ago!

the only team in my opinion who has the money as well as the pulling power to really go for it is City! pulling power in many ways is more important than the money aspect, the CL is what gives you the edge in the transfer market!

and of course 'dominance over a sustained period' is imperative to be a member of the 'big 4'
 

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If Portsmouth really did get Kevin Kuranyi,along with Benjani Mwaruwari,Sulley Muntari,Niko Kranjcar,Pedro Mendes,John Utaka & Papa Boupa Diop,they will be a real handful!
 

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If Portsmouth really did get Kevin Kuranyi,along with Benjani Mwaruwari,Sulley Muntari,Niko Kranjcar,Pedro Mendes,John Utaka & Papa Boupa Diop,they will be a real handful!
their gonna be really hurt during the african nations cup... of the players you listed there who would really break into any of the 'top four' teams 1st 11 ... i honestly couldnt see any of them,

benjani's bangin them in now but remember how shockin he was last year, he'd never get that kind of patience at a top team.

i think pompey is a 2nd rate team personally, although a very consistent one
 

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Kranjcer has the potential to be one of europes best in my opinion and Muntari is a top midfielder who is on great form. Portsmouth still need a top striker and maybe that creative midfielder (I don't know whats happening with Mendes, he's just not the same player this season). There's still room for improvement and with Harry you know he'll be looking to improve on what he's doing rather than be satisfied with it.
 

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Kranjcer has the potential to be one of europes best in my opinion and Muntari is a top midfielder who is on great form. Portsmouth still need a top striker and maybe that creative midfielder (I don't know whats happening with Mendes, he's just not the same player this season). There's still room for improvement and with Harry you know he'll be looking to improve on what he's doing rather than be satisfied with it.
Spot on,mate!;)
 

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Kranjcer has the potential to be one of europes best in my opinion and Muntari is a top midfielder who is on great form. Portsmouth still need a top striker and maybe that creative midfielder (I don't know whats happening with Mendes, he's just not the same player this season). There's still room for improvement and with Harry you know he'll be looking to improve on what he's doing rather than be satisfied with it.
but as i asked do you really see liverpool, arsenal, chelsea or united signing any of these players to help propel them further???

for example Benayoun looked quality in a West Ham shirt, Belamy was bangin them in for Blackburn they got snapped up by the Pool and what were they??

SHIIIIIIIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the same could be argued for Carrick (personally have no time for him). (this is real eamonn dunphy shit)

i honestly cant justify calling Kranjcar one of 'europes best' sorry he's second rate in my eyes... yes granted he has potential but you could say that about all young players, like could he ever really displace say Rosicky or Scholes or even silver bullet Gerrard from a team?? he's a Pompey player and imho i dont think hel ammount to much more along with their entire squad

I think pompey are decent but nothing more!

this is the best thread ive seen on this for a while by the way lad much better than half the shite posted!! good work!
 

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Apart from the current big 4 the rest of the Prem can be very unpredictable.

At the start of the season I tipped Spurs and Blackburn Rovers to finish in the top 6 but Spurs had a dreadful start and Rovers are on a terrible run at the moment.

I have been totally shocked by Man City this season, a little surprised by Pompey and I thought that Newcastle would be much higher than they are at the moment.

So what I'm trying to say is...I don't have a bloody clue what will happen next season! :D
 

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eoininho said:
i honestly cant justify calling Kranjcar one of 'europes best' sorry he's second rate in my eyes... yes granted he has potential but you could say that about all young players, like could he ever really displace say Rosicky or Scholes or even silver bullet Gerrard from a team?? he's a Pompey player and imho i dont think hel ammount to much more along with their entire squad
I've never said that he is one of europes best, I said he had the potential to be one. Like saying Wayne Rooney has the potential to be the best forward/striker in the world. They have to tranform those potentials into consistent perfomances to deserve to be called by those name tags. I see something special in Kranjcar and I'm convinced he's going to develop into a great player.
 

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cool cool,

i personally think it will be city to push cos of their money and svens pulling power. pompey are the most consistent team outside of the top four according to somethin i heard on sky sports news so maybe theyll have somethin to say about it.. regarding newcastle give sam a season or two and with a bit of luck (referring to their horrible injury jinx) they might push too.. just cant see the others really doing it unless a youth team throws out a few gems cos no1 can attract the top players!!

and regarding Rooney HE WILL BE THE WORLDS BEST STRIKER!!!
 

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Apart from the current big 4 the rest of the Prem can be very unpredictable.

At the start of the season I tipped Spurs and Blackburn Rovers to finish in the top 6 but Spurs had a dreadful start and Rovers are on a terrible run at the moment.

I have been totally shocked by Man City this season, a little surprised by Pompey and I thought that Newcastle would be much higher than they are at the moment.

So what I'm trying to say is...I don't have a bloody clue what will happen next season! :D

lol my thoughts exactly.
Im thinking Everton will always be lurking in the top 6. I think highly of this team and they are building a very impressive squad for the future.

Pompey are a team of pure athletes, big strong lads who must be a nightmare to play against. I think they might find it hard to sustain their form with the African cup of nations and some tough fixtures ahead. They have a signed a few gems though.

City should have the cash and along with a solid team already in place and an excellent coach in Erikkson they can only get better and better imo.

Spurs will be back up higher next season. Ramos is a brilliant manager and they have incredible strikers but they need to sign 1/2 defenders and a creative MF and get King fit again to stand a chance.

Newcastle should get better but will find it hard to get into the top 6 anytime soon. They have had horrendous luck with injuries for the last few years, so if they get their main men fit, they would give anybody a game.

Blackburn started so well but they are very inconsistent lately, which is a worry for Hughes. He has done some great business in acquiring the likes of Santa Cruz, McCarthy, Warnock and Samba($400,000 only). They will always be pushing for the Uefa but not the top 4.
 

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I think that City are the only team that have real chances to get into top 4 teams altough i can only see Liverpool droping out from the 4,Portsmouth played really good but i expect them to drop by the end of the season(btw.Kranjcar is a great player with an excelent vision on the field,pass acuracy,and with a powerful shot,no doubt a great potential),I believe that Spurs can only get better and I think that next season they will be a tough opponent and maybe the only team with City who can make something next season.
but I really doubt that something will change in the next couple of years
 

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eoininho said:
this is the best thread ive seen on this for a while by the way lad much better than half the shite posted!! good work!
Don't say things like this about the efforts made by others please.

Maybe what is "shite" to you is good for others.

We have people here who maybe don't like to talk continually about football...

Maybe they are not hardcore fans...

There are forums that concentrate solely on debating things in a format such as
this thread which is fine but here we try to cater for everyone.

I would get bored talking football only........... if I'm honest.

I like plenty of variety.

So yes some things might not agree with what you like but we still keep them
here to make a big variety for the people.

Don't forget.....

You have the choice to read what you like when you like.....

So you can ignore things you don't like but please don't refer to others efforts
as "shite" it's not nice.
 

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So you can ignore things you don't like but please don't refer to others efforts
as "shite" it's not nice.
i didnt refer to any thread or any person or any thing specifically, i do exactly as you said and ignore what i regard as 'shite' i was just complementing this lad on starting off a good discussion nothing more! chill the beans!
 

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eoininho said:
i didnt refer to any thread or any person or any thing specifically, i do exactly as you said and ignore what i regard as 'shite' i was just complementing this lad on starting off a good discussion nothing more! chill the beans!
Not specifically no.....

You refferred to it in general by saying.....

"Much better than half the shite posted"

Anyway I made my point and don't need to discuss it.....

Take heed......thanks :)

Back on topic now
 
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