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No excuse from the minority of the ranger's thugs(That's providing they were ranger's fans) was there any need to behave uncivilised, I drove up to piccadily garden's hour's before the kick off & seen plenty of thuggish behaviour prior to the failure of screening the match, Also why did they not listen when they were urged before hand not to travel to manchester without a ticket, They should of all stayed back in glasgow & watced the game on the big screen outside of there groundred_dec7 said:
All this now without a doubt will cause retaliation back in moscow next week & might jeopordise our world cup 2018 chances all thanks to the low lives who were involved
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·There was trouble all day. My brother in law is a copper working on a
tactical aid unit (riot police) and his unit had a very busy day indeed.
Not that many arrests were made during the day but that was only
because they didn't want to walk into the middle of 10,000 fans and
try to arrrest people. Would you?
He also told me the screen didn't malfunction, but a decision was made
to turn it off because of the sheer amount of people in Piccadilly Gardens
and people were being crushed. Officials were worried people could die
and decided to turn off the screen and try to disperse some of the people.
In the end, 10,000 walked to the velodrome to watch it there.
tactical aid unit (riot police) and his unit had a very busy day indeed.
Not that many arrests were made during the day but that was only
because they didn't want to walk into the middle of 10,000 fans and
try to arrrest people. Would you?
He also told me the screen didn't malfunction, but a decision was made
to turn it off because of the sheer amount of people in Piccadilly Gardens
and people were being crushed. Officials were worried people could die
and decided to turn off the screen and try to disperse some of the people.
In the end, 10,000 walked to the velodrome to watch it there.
Why? A Scottish man stabbed a Russian, why would they retaliate on the English?Dynamite said:
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i blame the concil surely they should have had a plan b
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·Rangers should be banned from Europe.marty davidson said:
It's the council's fault.
Make your mind up Marty!
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u may have ur opinion but dnt start blasting people on this forum mate.red_dec7 said:
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·So the people who stayed in Glasgow, watched thered_dec7 said:
game at home or in the pub and behaved themselves
aren't real fans? Funny logic you use there mate. Also
it isn't a wise move to insult, "half the people on here".
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·You should have stayed at home in Stockport and watched it then.red_dec7 said:
Why would a Manchester United fan drive down to Manchester to
watch a football match on a screen between two different teams that he has no
connection with ?
I've highlighted some points for your benefit and you might like to try watching the news footage or some of the hundreds of YouTube videos that are already posted up.
What went wrong?
Nicola Dowling and Amanda Crook
15/ 5/2008
THE breakdown of the big screen in Piccadilly has been blamed for sparking the violent scenes between the police and the Rangers fans.
The chaos which followed the failure has led the council to cancel plans to show next week's Champions League clash between Manchester United and Chelsea on big screens in the city centre.
While the "minority" responsible for the ugly clashes have been blasted for their behaviour, police say there was very little trouble until those who had gathered to watch the game on the big screen realised there was a problem.
Although fans quickly became frustrated when they realised the game had started and a screen saver image remained on display,about 11,000 followed instructions to head for a replacement screen at the velodrome, in East Manchester on council buses or on foot.
However trouble erupted after the 10,000 remaining began pouring out of the gardens, frantically trying to find somewhere to watch the game.
Pubs and bars nearby were already overflowing with fans and turned the increasingly furious crowds away.
Attacking
Violence followed after a minority of fans then started attacking police, who had formed a cordon across Oldham Street. Senior officers sent in riot squads to control the crowd and 15 officers were injured, at least one was left needing surgery overnight, and ambulance crews had to wait for escorts before answering calls in the city centre.
Despite the angry scenes health chiefs say there were very few serious injuries although emergency workers treated hundreds of walking wounded in one of their busiest ever nights.
City Council leader Sir Richard Leese said: "We had appalling scenes in Manchester last night, but we have to put that into context.
"The estimates vary between 100,000 and 200,000 Glasgow Rangers fans that we had in the city.
"Whatever that number, it's an unprecedented movement of people.
"It's the biggest movement of people for an event of this sort probably ever.
"Some 99.5 per cent of those behaved themselves and were a credit to their city.
"We did have a technical problem in the city but, even then, we had a contingency plan.
"We bussed people to that other screen."
"Small minority"
Coun Leese insisted that the "vast majority of fans" went to the velodrome screen and only a "very small minority" stayed in the city centre.
However, the MEN understands many fans didn't arrive at the velodrome until the end of the first half and the replacement screen was also hit by technical problems but council staff were able to sort these out.
At a press conference today, GMP assistant chief constable Justine Curran said the police's behaviour had been "necessary and proportionate".
Quizzed on whether her officers had over-reacted, she said: "I watched in [command] and saw officers chased up the street by a baying mob of 200 people.
"When trouble breaks out we have to respond.
"The vast majority of people who came experienced light touch policing."
Asked why they had not arranged a park or other open air venue for fans, ACC Curran said their research had showed people would not have been prepared to travel outside the city centre.
Weaken
Sir Richard said the trouble would not weaken Manchester's commitment to holding high-profile international events.
"Over the next 10 years we plan many more and we are not going to let the behaviour of a small number of people dissuade us from a strategy that is going to be of great benefit to the city."
He said he had no idea how long the clean-up operation was going to take, but said workmen had been working through the night.
"The fact we were able to arrange a replacement screen shows we were well prepared. We had buses arranged to take people to the replacement screen and they were able to watch the match.
"The problems were caused by a small minority of fans and those fans must take responsibility for their own behaviour."
Workmen called out to fix the problem are understood to have come under fire by fans throwing bottles, forcing them to abandon the job. It is understood they refused to return to the screen despite concerns that trouble would escalate.
A police source said: "There were some of the fans who acted like absolute animals that night, but there is no doubt that the failure of the screen was the catalyst for the trouble."
ACC Curran said: "We worked hard with our partners in Manchester to make this a celebration and make people feel safe in the city."
Nice atmosphere
She said she had walked the streets of Manchester earlier in the afternoon and had seen people having a good time in a nice atmosphere.
But she added: "I saw when the screen failed in Piccadilly Gardens, which was full with over 20,000 people in it, fans got very frustrated. Obviously some had been drinking a lot and they began to take it out on the screen and then on my officers who had worked incredibly hard to do the best they could. Obviously they have had to respond to the level of violence they were met with."
She said she had been "sickened" by the level of violence she had seen coming from the minority of fans who began causing trouble.
A police source said some officers who began working at 6am in the morning yesterday were still working long into the early hours.
Announcing his decision NOT to screen United's clash with Che;sea next week, Coun Leese said: "We are sorry to Manchester United fans but we are very clear," he said. "It would not be fair to residents and users of the city centre."
ACC Curran said: "I am sure the majority of Rangers fans will be as disappointed as we are that this event was marred by this unnecessary and unacceptable behaviour by a small number of fans.
"My officers acted professionally, swiftly and decisively to bring this trouble under control and I want to pay tribute to their actions.
"We have worked with the council and other agencies for a year to prepare for this major event, which was a great success until this minority of thugs spoiled the day for all true supporters."
2,000 calls
Ambulance bosses took 2,000 calls between 7pm and 7am.
They treated around 500 people overnight but had to withdraw from parts of the city centre at 8pm when the violence began and then worked with police escort.
A spokeswoman said: "Staff worked incredibly hard it was one of the busiest nights the Greater Manchester area has seen
"We worked with our partners and would like to praise all our staff who worked so hard."
Up to 150 people were treated at the Manchester Royal Infirmary overnight, most of them walking wounded or suffering the effects of too much alcohol.
Managers had organised extra beds and staff were on duty and coped well with demand. Only a handful of people were in a serious condition and needed admitting to the unit.
A spokeswoman said: "We were busier than usual but we were well prepared and able to cope with demand.
"Most of the injuries were minor and we treated people quickly without needing to admit them."
There were no problems at the other two fan zones in Albert Square and Cathedral Gardens. Police say until violence flared at Piccadilly there had been only eight arrests, they praised the rest of the fans for creating a carnival atmosphere.
Read and see for yourselfs.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7402354.stm
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I'm sorry, but if you believe that the Rangers fans behaviour was ok and that it was the councils fault then the only person who is not the REAL fan is you!red_dec7 said:
REAL fans don't go to games or fanzones to cause trouble. They go to enjoy themselves and enjoy watching the game.
Their behaviour was unacceptable, and quite frankly, so is yours!
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i was there last night so i may aswell put in my 2p's worth.
we got there about 4ish and it was packed (as we expected.)
i was with my gf and was meeting up with my mum and dad (my dad had a ticket and we were watching it in a fanzone.) It has to be said it was abit rowdy (again as expected) some people shouting stuff at my gf (good looking female among footy fans, it will happen.)
we watched the game in albert sq.
At first they wouldn't let us in. I saw a camera man and said..."your here looking for trouble"...
he told me he'd much rather be let in the area to watch the game..so i asked why he was here ...his reply was "incase there is any trouble to film it..."
we were let in about 10 mins into the 1st half....
obviously i knew i was right when i first saw him...the media are looking for sensationalism is everything!
....after i watched the footage today i knew this was gunna be a big thing....
BUT myself saw no trouble at all....
the news have said between 110,000-200,000 people were there....so lets say 100-200 people travelled down looking for trouble....surely its playing into everyones hands giving them the attention??!
after the game we ended up around the arndale and the place was rocking.....
i agree with what people were saying about those thugs...i really do.but these people arent football supporters...they are hooligans.
lastly i heard about the picadilly screen going off and i expected trouble...those people travelled hundreds miles to watch the game and got nothing!i am not trying to make excuses because as ive said before its disgusting...BUT i can guarantee that most other teams fans wouldn't be happy either!
putting the violence aside (as i saw none of it on the night)....
We can learn abit from the Rangers fans.They are loyal, passionate and dedicated to the team they support. I would LOVE united supporters to be as passionate and support there team as Rangers did yesterday.
I had a great night.Im just hoping the atmosphere is better on wednesday in manchester....BUT being honest i doubt it.
we got there about 4ish and it was packed (as we expected.)
i was with my gf and was meeting up with my mum and dad (my dad had a ticket and we were watching it in a fanzone.) It has to be said it was abit rowdy (again as expected) some people shouting stuff at my gf (good looking female among footy fans, it will happen.)
we watched the game in albert sq.
At first they wouldn't let us in. I saw a camera man and said..."your here looking for trouble"...
he told me he'd much rather be let in the area to watch the game..so i asked why he was here ...his reply was "incase there is any trouble to film it..."
we were let in about 10 mins into the 1st half....
obviously i knew i was right when i first saw him...the media are looking for sensationalism is everything!
....after i watched the footage today i knew this was gunna be a big thing....
BUT myself saw no trouble at all....
the news have said between 110,000-200,000 people were there....so lets say 100-200 people travelled down looking for trouble....surely its playing into everyones hands giving them the attention??!
after the game we ended up around the arndale and the place was rocking.....
i agree with what people were saying about those thugs...i really do.but these people arent football supporters...they are hooligans.
lastly i heard about the picadilly screen going off and i expected trouble...those people travelled hundreds miles to watch the game and got nothing!i am not trying to make excuses because as ive said before its disgusting...BUT i can guarantee that most other teams fans wouldn't be happy either!
putting the violence aside (as i saw none of it on the night)....
We can learn abit from the Rangers fans.They are loyal, passionate and dedicated to the team they support. I would LOVE united supporters to be as passionate and support there team as Rangers did yesterday.
I had a great night.Im just hoping the atmosphere is better on wednesday in manchester....BUT being honest i doubt it.
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·Being upset about not being able to watch the football
does not give them the right to wreck our City. They
have every right to be angry at the failure of the big
screen, but is it really going to help if you throw glass
bottles full of beer at it? I seriously doubt it! Shop windows
were smashed, city centre residents were beaten indiscriminately
and cars were overturned. How can anybody defend this?
I went to work this morning and could not put my foot on the
floor without standing on broken glass and other crap. The whole
city stunk of stale beer and urine, I was holding my nose walking
down Market Street it was that bad. The Rangers fans (albeit a
minority) disgraced themseves and their Club. There can be no
excuses for behaviour like this ever!!!
does not give them the right to wreck our City. They
have every right to be angry at the failure of the big
screen, but is it really going to help if you throw glass
bottles full of beer at it? I seriously doubt it! Shop windows
were smashed, city centre residents were beaten indiscriminately
and cars were overturned. How can anybody defend this?
I went to work this morning and could not put my foot on the
floor without standing on broken glass and other crap. The whole
city stunk of stale beer and urine, I was holding my nose walking
down Market Street it was that bad. The Rangers fans (albeit a
minority) disgraced themseves and their Club. There can be no
excuses for behaviour like this ever!!!
I think we underestimate the number of their fans causing trouble.
It is definitely way more than 200 people causing trouble last night. I've heard stories of black couple going on the bus and getting racial abuse off rangers supporters. That may not be rioting, but that is still unacceptable behaviour. There's also been countless number of racist and sectarian songs sung, and i've even seen videos of fans wrecking cars and giving nazi salutes
It is definitely way more than 200 people causing trouble last night. I've heard stories of black couple going on the bus and getting racial abuse off rangers supporters. That may not be rioting, but that is still unacceptable behaviour. There's also been countless number of racist and sectarian songs sung, and i've even seen videos of fans wrecking cars and giving nazi salutes
I would like to send out my most sincere apology on behalf of the majority of Rangers fans. We are all gutted about the result but furious and disgusted with the minority of fans who ruined a very good day out. I hope that the actions of these thugs do not effect your opinion of the Rangers support as a whole. We all want to see these sc*m bags taken to task as that is what they are, they are not REAL Rangers fans, they went down looking for trouble and a booze fest. I hope that this doesn't throw you all off our beloved club because of their stupidity. We would like to extend our apology at ruining your chances to see the big screens as these sc*m went about it the wrong way, they don't deserve to be treated as human beings and it is sickening to see what they did. We the majority of fans would like to apologise on behalf of our club.
I would also like to wish you the best of luck in your game against Chelsea next Wednesday, and I hope you lot win it as I too have a massive dislike for Chelsea. Get into them and do the double lads!
I would also like to wish you the best of luck in your game against Chelsea next Wednesday, and I hope you lot win it as I too have a massive dislike for Chelsea. Get into them and do the double lads!
and your point is ,listen doball i take it your a hun ,and as expected you will probaly not see anything wrong in what the filth done last nite ,celtic go everywere and do you ever see schenes like that ,away you go you filth ,its football pal ,and if thats your idea of a party ,well ,work it out dob
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