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Ruud- still United through and through




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In many ways it's business as usual in the credit-crunch resistant, wacky world of Real Madrid.

The club is just as delightfully dysfunctional off the pitch as ever.

Club president Ramón Calderón remains in denial most days of the week.

Denying that Raúl vetoes signings that look suspiciously like younger and prettier strikers.

Denying that he has been moving friends and family up the club's season ticket waiting list.

And denying that he has been handing over UEFA designated match tickets to an events company owned by his former campaign manager.

On the pitch, the title-holding team has also picked up from where it left off last season.

Bernd Schuster continues to huff, harass and holler his way through painful press conferences, despite possessing a number of reasons to be cheerful.

The German's team is still just as brutally effective in front of goal, possessing the uncanny knack of being able to score at will. Of course, this advantage is constantly cancelled out by a defence that remains wobblier than Maniche on a space hopper.

More importantly, Ruud Van Nistelrooy continues to show that he is utterly brilliant. Not just 'nodding knowingly' brilliant but 'wave-your-hands-in-the-air-like-you-just-don't-care' brilliant.

The Spanish Thing is aware of the rancourous reaction that the merest mention of the Dutchman's name can bring from certain supporters back in Blighty.

But it doesn't care. In fact, it is sitting with its fingers in its ears shouting 'blah, blah, blah'. And this makes typing a little tricky. Let's just say that this column was started in March and the keyboard will need a quite a scrub when it is finally completed.

Bring Van Nistelrooy's brilliance into a discussion with one Scouser the Spanish Thing occasionally communicates with, and the point is disputed with fearsome force.

Why? "Because the (expletive removed) (expletive removed) always (expletive removed) scored against us. The (expletive removed)."

Alarmingly, this was a member of the school of mild-mannered Liverpool fans that can last up to two minutes in a conversation critical of their club without offering to remove your head with a corkscrew.

An Arsenal fan challenged with the notion that Ruud rules shrugged and repeated the mantra, "but he's a (expletive removed)". "But he's brilliant!", "But he's a (expletive removed)." And so on.

Part of the problem is that Van Nistelrooy will always remain a Manchester United player, at heart - and a very sulky one at that - despite an incredible two seasons with Real Madrid that currently sees his strike rate as second only to Alfredo di Stefano.

The former Dutch international's goal against Zenit in the midweek Champions League clash was Van Nistelrooy's 61st in 85 matches for the Spanish club and his eighth in eight competitive games since the start of the season.

Despite this titanic tally that has lead his team to titles, Van Nistelrooy remains respected by Real Madrid fans but not especially loved.

Part of this is down to the Bernabeu crowd being lazy, ignorant, unappreciative, spoilt-rotten and possessing the passion of a packet of Maltesers.

The other is the fans demand Raúl style badge-kissing and undivided devotion to the Real Madrid cause. And that's something that a player who wishes he had never fallen out with Sir Fergie will never offer.

In 2007, on the day that his former club won the league title, David Beckham was preaching to the media masses after a Real Madrid game. But his meandering muse was interrupted after being leapt on by a fist-pumping Van Nistelrooy who yelled 'United!' to all and sundry before running off.

But such indiscretions will always be forgiven. After all, this was a week when Van Nistelrooy scored a last-minute winner against Betis and guaranteed the club's first away win in Europe in two years, provoking a debate on how long the rule of 'Ruud Van Gol' or 'Super Van' can last.

Several years more, it seems. The Dutchman's retirement from international football will give his legs an extra couple of years of action.

Van Nistelrooy also has the advantage that pin-point positioning rather than pace has always been the key to his goal-scoring game.

During the week, Football365 went in search of finding the other secret sources of Ruud's tremendous talents and spoke to Atlético Madrid's Johnny Heitinga, a player who knows the other Madrid man both on and off the pitch.

"He gets just one chance and it's a goal," said the Dutch defender, admiringly. "If you watch the way he plays football, he always hits the ball on target. Never away from the goal, but at the goal. It's amazing."

Despite his poaching prowess, Van Nistelrooy is a player who is a little like Pete Doherty in that he cannot function without regular suppliers.

And that's why he drew a blank against Espanyol in a 2-2 draw at the Bernabeu on Sunday night.

Instead of passing to the Dutchman, his team-mates opted for blasting the ball into the stands for much of the 90 minutes.

The striker's one true chance came with a shot that was well saved by Carlos Kameni, thus supporting Heitinga's theory.

In Van Nistelrooy's binary football world, the goalkeeper either has to make the save or it's another addition to the 317 goals he has scored so far in his 15 years of club football.

Rutgures may be disliked and despised for a whole roll call of rational and irrational reasons ranging from an apparent resemblance to Shergar to bad-tempered behaviour. That, it seems, will never change.

But he has to be admired and respected as being one of the best strikers of the modern game. Even by those potty-mouths of the Primer League.
 

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Ronaldo please take note that there is no better place than United! :p


Seriously now, i never knew he did that...didnt really follow Spanish football much so i have no idea. If he really did that, then it is just too nice a gesture..Maybe its just an obvious thing that he still do supported his ex club but to do that on live camera without thinking about the consequences of what real fans might think is one brave move.


For a start i wont like it if Berbatov go on and do that when spurs win the title..which of course something that wont happen.:D

Whatever people say of him, i will remember him fondly and what he does for us especially when he holds one of the top goalscoring record on our hierachy.
 

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"Despite his poaching prowess, Van Nistelrooy is a player who is a little like Pete Doherty in that he cannot function without regular suppliers."

Made me laugh
 

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I'm sure I've said it before on here but I still really like and respect Ruud. He was a great servant to the club and always gave everything he had. He played for the badge and had a good relationship with the fans.

Great to see that he was still chuffed about the league win in 2007 despite his exit not being under the best circumstances a year earlier.

If we play Madrid in the Champions League I will be sure to give him a good reception, and then pray he doesn't score against us :p

Top man though was RvN and I still miss seeing him in the red shirt.
 

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i have heard a few people on the radio say that ruud wished he was still at utd and ive got no reason not to believe them.it was unfortunate he fell out with fergie because he learnt that theres only one winner and some dutch players can be a little tempremental but all the same he will be remembered for being a great player for us and id expect a great reception for him if our paths crossed in europe.
 

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I never understood united fans saying we are a better team without him , without doubt one of our greatest goal scorers ever , i was gutted when he left.
Had he stayed he would have broken every goal scoring record in sight , i felt very sorry for ruud he scored goals for us at a very hard time , united had started to use him as a lone striker for a couple of seasons to gear us up for winning the champions league , which did not work .
Had ruud played for us at any other time when we religously played the 4-4-2 system , he would have scored even more.
His goal scoring ratio against games played in europe is outstading , i hate it when fans keep calling him a sulker i feel he was harshly treated especially when he didnt get on as a sub in cardiff , that spelled the end of his days at old trafford.
We have never truly replaced him , to me a legend , i hope he keeps on banging them in , unless they are playing united of course
 

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absolute god. but we had to move on. glad his doing well still tho. just wish it was for barca and not real. hate madrid so much, such a circus
 

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He was a legend and i totally respect everything he did for us but u still think the time
was right for him to move on. Ruud needed supply from the wings and thats not the
type of football we play anymore. Still love him and glad he's banging them in for Real.
Nice gesture to show he still cares for us though. I'm sure him and Becks discussed
United a bit because wee all know Beckham will always love United
 

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jd_united said:
I'm sure I've said it before on here but I still really like and respect Ruud. He was a great servant to the club and always gave everything he had. He played for the badge and had a good relationship with the fans.

Great to see that he was still chuffed about the league win in 2007 despite his exit not being under the best circumstances a year earlier.

If we play Madrid in the Champions League I will be sure to give him a good reception, and then pray he doesn't score against us :p

Top man though was RvN and I still miss seeing him in the red shirt.
- If he really did say that, he gets top marks from me.
He was a forlorn figure by the time he left and it was amidst rumous of training groud bust-ups with Ronaldo.

After this summer, it kind of makes you question that decision. Sure, we've had a lot of success, but who's to day we wouldn't have had the same success or even more if Ruud had stayed around.




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i have heard a few people on the radio say that ruud wished he was still at utd and ive got no reason not to believe them.it was unfortunate he fell out with fergie because he learnt that theres only one winner and some dutch players can be a little tempremental but all the same he will be remembered for being a great player for us and id expect a great reception for him if our paths crossed in europe.
- - He was very temperamental, but it's part of what made him so ruthless and such a great player. He came at a time when the team wasn't playing well as a whole, but it wasn't his fault.

There were so many games where the only positive was van Nistelrooy's performance.

I would expect our fans to give him the best reseption possible, if we do meet Madrid in the CL.
 

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I never understood united fans saying we are a better team without him , without doubt one of our greatest goal scorers ever, i was gutted when he left.
Had he stayed he would have broken every goal scoring record in sight , i felt very sorry for ruud he scored goals for us at a very hard time , united had started to use him as a lone striker for a couple of seasons to gear us up for winning the champions league , which did not work .
Had ruud played for us at any other time when we religously played the 4-4-2 system , he would have scored even more.
His goal scoring ratio against games played in europe is outstading , i hate it when fans keep calling him a sulker i feel he was harshly treated especially when he didnt get on as a sub in cardiff , that spelled the end of his days at old trafford.
We have never truly replaced him , to me a legend , i hope he keeps on banging them in , unless they are playing united of course
- Couldn't agree more.
As I said before and on other threads (CROoney too BTW) he was not the reason we played the way we did and you;re right - we played mostly with 5 midfielders and only Ruud up top, so the attacking flair was restricted.

I'm kind of saddened by this thread, because you really do feel sad that a guy, who loved United so much was off-loaded the way he was. And also the unknown of how he might have fared with Ronaldo and Rooney playing the way the have done the past two seasons.

He did cut a very disgruntled figure at the League Cup final though, but how else is he supposed to feel? He was a sure starter for so many seasons and didn't play in a final. That was tough.


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He was a legend and i totally respect everything he did for us but u still think the time
was right for him to move on. Ruud needed supply from the wings and thats not the
type of football we play anymore. Still love him and glad he's banging them in for Real.
Nice gesture to show he still cares for us though. I'm sure him and Becks discussed
United a bit because wee all know Beckham will always love United

- well, Ronaldo didn't learn to pass until after the World cup, so it's hard to judge how successful we would have been if Ruud had stayed. I sure did miss him. We were very ortunate that Saha found his scoring boots after Ruud left.

Even last season though, we were crying out for Ruud and in all the threads during the summer about berba and huntelaar, we were all describing Ruud van Nistelrooy whenever we talked about the attributes of the striker we need.

In many wyas, he is the most complete goalscorer this club has ever seen. I'm sure Denis Law owns the title of best, but I think Ruud was more complete. A great player.
 

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Our greatest goalscoring machine ever :)

not sure if he have the highest goalscoring rate or Violet

no matter still many people say that Ruud scores easy goal which is something so retard as Ruud is the best goalscorer i ever since with Clinical finishing and great positioning and still some more stupid things said as Drogba is 10 times better than VNR which is a hilarious statement made me laugh my ass, as drogba is the player who score easy goal,

Ruud Van Nistelrooy is not only a football legend by being the first person to be the top goalscorer in three different teams, and hes no Premier league legend only , Hes a United legend who i miss to watch
 

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ruud is the best striker this club has had in my lifetime , i thought he was sensational and he probabley played in utds weakest team since 1990 and in a formation that did him no favours {lone striker on many occassions}.his supply line "beckham" was sold and finally fergie disgracfully dropped him when he was the leading scorer in the premiership in febuary and hardly played him afterwards {i know my money was on him to be top scorer}.
that said i don't think it possible that utd could have done any better since selling him so fergie has come out smelling of rose's again , that's why he is such a special manager he see's things far clearer than us fans and gets most decisions right in his long term planning , finally i am delighted that ruud has had great success elsewhere and will always wish him well and look for his goals as long has he stays away from utd.
 

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I miss his clinical box finishing, but you got to admit hes the only player thathas improved in my opinion after leaving United! Actually Rossi and Forlan aswell!
 

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he's one of my favourite united player at that time. i was stunned when he was being sold to madrid and i thought what the hell is fergie doing choosing saha over rvn. i was mad!
nevertheless, i still support only united . will welcome him back if its possible but i doubt he would like to be in our team now with so much attacking talents restricting his minutes although he is no doubt one of the best strikers ever.
 

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I have a feeling we will meet Real in the quarters this year! hopefully we'll show them who's boss, and hopefully Ronaldo will realise he's already playing for the best team around!!
 
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