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who is better i think that kuszczak is equl if not better than van der sar but i would like to hear what everyone else thinks:confused:
 

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at this point VDS has the advantage,he was great this season altough he had mistakes against Arse overall he is more than satysfying.His experience is precious.Kuszcak hasn't played in many games to show what he really can do and altough he might have talent we can't risk to have him as the first goalkeeper and wait untill his real skill appears.
 

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VDS all the way for me. He has all the experience and is by far the superior golakeeper at this point in time. Hopefully Kuzzie can learn off the great man himself.
 

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Edwin van der Sar>Tomasz Kuszczak

VDS over Kuszczak anyday. There's just no competition. From what I've seen,VDS has only made 2 high-profile blunders in his whole career with United. The first against Portsmouth @ Fratton Park last season,when Rio sends a mis-guided back pass to him & he juz' let's it slip into the back of the net. The other one is against the Scousers jus last week, when he was a series of blunders. Besides that,he's rock-solid throughtout the rest of games. In my sense,he's the fourth best goalkeeper in the world currently. Behind Gianluigi Buffon,Petr Cech & Iker Casillas.
Tomasz Kuszczak is still a far cry from the 'Jolly Green Giant'. Up until now,I still think that he was very lucky,being saved by Ronaldo from two occasions. The first when he let in the well-disguised 'cross'shot' from Abel ,where we beat Sporting Lisbon narrowly to top the group. Ronaldo was the one who saved him by scoring the winning goal. What if the game ended in a draw? AS Roma would probably take our top spot & we will be meeting Real Madrid in the 2nd-round stage! On the 2nd occasion,he was once again saved by Ronaldo in the game between us & Everton. I can bet dat no way VDS will let Tim Cahill's header go past him,I'm very sure about it. If u watch the replay again,u will noe what i meant. Luckily our boy Giggsy salvaged a vital penalty for us & Ronnie step up & sent Tim Howard down the wrong way. If we had drew the game against the Toffees,I can clearly see us lagging behind the Gooners' by 3 points. And it's def' not good,judjing that the Christmas period is a very crucial stage. Many of u may think dat there's nothin' 2 fret about since we also hve Ben Foster. But come on'. Visualize this..........

1.VDS retire @ the end of 2008.
2.Unfortunately, Ben Foster's injured.
3.Tommy Heaton doesn't hve any match experience @ all.
4.We r only left with Kuszczak,whom I really can't see him takin' us to the highest level of winning all the trophies for us.
5.To win the treble,I personally think that we need to hve a world-class goalie in our ranks. Like in 1999,Peter Schmeichel was arguably the best goalkeeper of all time. With him,u nvr ever need to worry. Besides,he's not injury-prone at all.

Get what I meant guys? It's time for SAF to look for a worthy replacement come-2008.
 

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i hope after yesterday everyone sees what i've been saying all along - kusczack is not better than howard especially not united 1st pick material...sorry guys, but he's insecure ....
 

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i hope after yesterday everyone sees what i've been saying all along - kusczack is not better than howards especially not united 1st pick material...sorry guys, but he's insecure ....
Probably would've agree with that. Looking @ the way he saved both Rooney's & Anderson's shots,his reflexes r actually quicker than Kuszczak's. :p
 

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if you think about it though vds has made quite alot of big mistakes also at fratton park last season apart from the backpass there was also the poor parry which he could have esily caught and if you remember he did it against AS Roma aswell from totti's shot but i do aggree kuszczak does have less experiance and united do need a top class goalkeeper because it would just make the team complete we have a good defence (exept we need cover incase of injurys) a brilliand midfeild and an even better strike force with the arrival of carlos tevez mayb somone along the lines of a young goalkeeper that is improoving by the minuite. mayb som1 along the lines of petr chec or ikor casilias:cool:
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VDS easily for me

Experienced and has proved he can cut it playing for Man Utd.


Theres no doubting kuszczak is a good goalkeeper because he is, but i think he's the type that needs a good solid run of games for us to see his best.
But im not overly impressed by what i have seen of him, especially when it comes to catching crosses etc.

But il give him time to prove himself.
 

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Edwin's experience rules over Tomasz's anyday. Van der Sar has been European champion, has Kuszczak? No, Kuszczak is younger and hasn't won a European final (as of yet hopefully) and that's why but Edwin has played at the highest level and has done so for many years and it will be a sad day when he retires, the same when Fabien Barthez retired, it was a sad time for me.

As I am a goalkeeper and a very good one at that (in my opinon), I know what I'm talking about. Tomasz is a very outstanding goalkeeper and I have no doubts that he will take the no.1 jersey when Edwin retires and will keep Ben Foster in his place, for sure.
 

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It's really not fair to judge these 2. Experience is the best teacher, and TK just doesn't have much.

That would be like everyone gloating about how much I know about computer's compared to Carly. I do it everyday as a hobby and career, of course I'm going to know it better. Give Carly a year to learn all she can, and people would have a debate.

VDS is better, but I haven't seen enough of TK to know how his consistency is to compare them equally :)
 

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no contest for me VDS all the way.....tomasz makes me nervous....his handling is poor and his kicking is up there with the worst i've seen (bosnich)
 

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if you think about it though vds has made quite alot of big mistakes also at fratton park last season apart from the backpass there was also the poor parry which he could have esily caught and if you remember he did it against AS Roma aswell from totti's shot but i do aggree kuszczak does have less experiance and united do need a top class goalkeeper because it would just make the team complete we have a good defence (exept we need cover incase of injurys) a brilliand midfeild and an even better strike force with the arrival of carlos tevez mayb somone along the lines of a young goalkeeper that is improoving by the minuite. mayb som1 along the lines of petr chec or ikor casilias:cool:
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taking into account the amount of super saves in his long-lasting career ,and not only crucial one on one's, or reflex saves, but confident cathches of power long range shots ( remember carroll or howard - they used to let it slip through their fingers ), I think we can all agree that VDS has been one of the best GK's in the world ...everyone makes mistakes, that's natural, but his mistakes are so rare considering the amount of shots he gets per game... same with rio - you remember his mistakes and that's actually a good thing , because i'd be worried if they were so often so you couldn't remember them...like me in Brown's case.:p
 

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van der sar all the way...i honestly don't know why we have tomasz. he's not good enough even for the reserves. When Foster comes back from his injury, EVS will be the first keeper, and Foster the reserve. and we shouldn't forget Heaton, and of Course young Zieler. I personally would like to see Craig Gordon,would be something if we would manage to buy him...but as i said we have a lot of options:)...but tomasz ain't one of them
 

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I wouldn't mind after Foster is free, let TK go on loan to get some experience. I think he's got potential, he just looks a little nervous
 

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van der sar all the way...i honestly don't know why we have tomasz. he's not good enough even for the reserves. When Foster comes back from his injury, EVS will be the first keeper, and Foster the reserve. and we shouldn't forget Heaton, and of Course young Zieler. I personally would like to see Craig Gordon,would be something if we would manage to buy him...but as i said we have a lot of options:)...but tomasz ain't one of them
I would probably doubt that. Not even good enough for the reserves? U gotta be kiddin' me! He's the first-choice goalkeeper for West Bromwich Albion when they were in the Premiership for the 2004/05 & 2005/06 season. And it's not his fault that they got relegated,it's their leaky,patched-up defense & unfiring strikers.
I remember he even kept quite a lot of clean sheets for that whole season IMO!
FFS, he's even playing regularly for the Poland national football team. I even rate his shot-stopping ability as one of the best in the world. He's a better catcher of the ball than Ben Foster. Ben Foster is great in his ball kicking ability & neat distribution.

PIG-Excellent shot stopper & ball handling.
Ben Foster-Great ball kicking ability & neat distribution.
VDS-Excellent shot stopper & ball handling,great ball kicking ability & neat distribution. :)
 
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